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Is the new wider TS ski that much better?
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ski pressure is important
The ARO ski is better everywhere but the pressure and weight bias is more important than is used to be. You'll need to drop the TSS threaded eyelet (balljoint) pretty far. (59 to 61 degrees of rake on the head tube seems to be the magic) I've finally got my and other friend's setups to the point that the ARO outperforms the old TS ski everywhere. The skeg needs some grinding down also... but with that combo the extra bite is welcome once the ski can be turned free on the trail with neutral weight on the bike. Then weighting the foot peg on the side you want to turn makes it bite and carve.
The ARO ski is better everywhere but the pressure and weight bias is more important than is used to be. You'll need to drop the TSS threaded eyelet (balljoint) pretty far. (59 to 61 degrees of rake on the head tube seems to be the magic) I've finally got my and other friend's setups to the point that the ARO outperforms the old TS ski everywhere. The skeg needs some grinding down also... but with that combo the extra bite is welcome once the ski can be turned free on the trail with neutral weight on the bike. Then weighting the foot peg on the side you want to turn makes it bite and carve.
I got my first ride on the new ARO ski yesterday. It turned out to be what I was hoping for, which was a compromise between the 16 TS ski and the bite of the Camso Ski.
On the trail the ARO ski darted more and felt more busy, but as we all know trail manners are not what we set up for. At least I dont!
In the deeper snow I felt that the Aro ski had better bite and was more predictable than the slightly vague feeling of the 2016 ski. It is not a massive change, it is a small change and I think my preference is biased because of my experience with the Camso ski. I can see how people that were used to the older ski might not think of the new one as an upgrade.
I did grind down that center skeg.
On the trail the ARO ski darted more and felt more busy, but as we all know trail manners are not what we set up for. At least I dont!
In the deeper snow I felt that the Aro ski had better bite and was more predictable than the slightly vague feeling of the 2016 ski. It is not a massive change, it is a small change and I think my preference is biased because of my experience with the Camso ski. I can see how people that were used to the older ski might not think of the new one as an upgrade.
I did grind down that center skeg.
Yeah grinding down the center skag was key to me for enjoying the ski, especially in early riding with alot of rocks roots and other crap underneath the snow.
I tried a bike with too soft forks and there's a big difference in the conditions I was VS mine with stiff enough forks so I would say that having the right setup really helps the new TS ski to work properly, still the non-grinded center skag is a mess.
I tried a bike with too soft forks and there's a big difference in the conditions I was VS mine with stiff enough forks so I would say that having the right setup really helps the new TS ski to work properly, still the non-grinded center skag is a mess.
Aro better n better
this weekend Dan and I spent some time working on hard packed snow ARO ski handling.
We swapped back and forth between some single runner we made and the std dual runner that was slopped off in front. In the end, the single runner was slightly better.
Then we decided there was just too much ski pressure with the taller new spindle and center skag. We started by tightening our front skid shock........improvment, more tightening evenbetter.
The we adjusted our adjustable strut rod about an 1/8 shorter taking some more weight off the ARO ski.........better yet on packed snowmobile trails.
Sat nite I went to a stiffer front shock skid spring..............improvement when we went back out on the trails. Snowing hard all day and blower powder up high, all good in the trees, I can't see a down side to taking weight off the front ski.
Now waiting for stiffer shock springs, our kits have the white 200 lb fox spring. I have 240 and 255 on order so we can run more stiffer springs with less preload. We shall see. But in the end way better on trails by Sunday nite.
this weekend Dan and I spent some time working on hard packed snow ARO ski handling.
We swapped back and forth between some single runner we made and the std dual runner that was slopped off in front. In the end, the single runner was slightly better.
Then we decided there was just too much ski pressure with the taller new spindle and center skag. We started by tightening our front skid shock........improvment, more tightening evenbetter.
The we adjusted our adjustable strut rod about an 1/8 shorter taking some more weight off the ARO ski.........better yet on packed snowmobile trails.
Sat nite I went to a stiffer front shock skid spring..............improvement when we went back out on the trails. Snowing hard all day and blower powder up high, all good in the trees, I can't see a down side to taking weight off the front ski.
Now waiting for stiffer shock springs, our kits have the white 200 lb fox spring. I have 240 and 255 on order so we can run more stiffer springs with less preload. We shall see. But in the end way better on trails by Sunday nite.
Castleman, I sent you a PM, not sure if you got it, interested in one of the ski's you have for sale...the old Timbersled style.
Snapped a couple of pics of the old TS ski vs the Camso ski. Not hard to see why the Camso ski is superior in the deep stuff. It is nearly a full two inches wider than the TS ski and the tip shape is new school if comparing to the latest snow skis vs the old skinny skis. My latest skis have a tip shape almost identical to the Camso snowbike ski. The narrow part at the front of the TS ski basically does nothing and provides no lift. I'm wondering how much of the Camso track performance or the Aro for that matter is actually related to the ski.
M5
M5
Having ridden my ARO with the old TS ski as I ground the bottom of my first ARO ski off riding too early in the year... the ARO track is still amazing in deep, even when the front is skinny. The ski is quite unweighted over all when on it, in deeper snow that track has so much bite.
M5,
Just curious, how hard would it be to make the camso ski compatible with the older timbersled spindle. I know it's completely different, but on the timbersled spindle the bottom portion bolts on. How hard would it be to make something to bolt on in place of that and work with the camso ski?
I'm riding a 17 LT and I love it, but want a little more floatation. I rode the 2 Moto for years and the ski didn't bother me that much.
Just curious, how hard would it be to make the camso ski compatible with the older timbersled spindle. I know it's completely different, but on the timbersled spindle the bottom portion bolts on. How hard would it be to make something to bolt on in place of that and work with the camso ski?
I'm riding a 17 LT and I love it, but want a little more floatation. I rode the 2 Moto for years and the ski didn't bother me that much.
You could probably make a set of adapter plates for the TS spindle. I don't know how the bases of the spindles compare curvature wise. I haven't really thought about it but its likely doable.
M5
When I switched to the ARO ski I only replaced the ski and the aluminum chunk at the bottom of the mount. I think I could have used the older aluminum chunk too, but it switched over nicely so I just used the new one.
