Is Obama trying to BUY the job??

[redlineguy]

He is going to turn down the 85Mil from the Gov and raise is own money with NO limit witch some say could be 500Mil. So he will be able to flood John POS Sorows will be able to dump as much as he want into it now

 

[maluchm]

Well if/when he loses the race he will have lost maybe 500 mill of his own $ I'll wait and see what the debate team drop out Snopes cops say but didn't he go back on his word with this?

 

[ruffryder]

Well if/when he loses the race he will have lost maybe 500 mill of his own $ I'll wait and see what the debate team drop out Snopes cops say but didn't he go back on his word with this?

Obama stated that if McCain agreed to use the Govt. funds only for the General Election race then he would too. Apparantly the lawyers for the two groups couldn't come to an agreement... I think they were arguing over the fact that McCain has been running a General Campaign for a while using private donations, so he has already started down that path....

 

[maluchm]

See, that only took 7 minutes

 

[Idcatman3]

If you knew you could privately raise $4-500 million, would you voluntarily stick to $85 million? Wouldn't that show just how bad of judgment you have? Not saying it is right, but the decision does make sense.

A few articles on the issue:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080619/ap_on_el_pr/obama_money
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/20/1157218.aspx

The first one mentions how both Democratic and Republican advisers say that most candidates would not accept public funding if they could raise more privately, even if it meant a reversal of a previous statement. The damage done by the reversal will be made up for with the extra funding, because that funding will get his message to more people.

If less people watched TV, and more read up on things, it might not change the story as much.

 

[ruffryder]

If you knew you could privately raise $4-500 million, would you voluntarily stick to $85 million? Wouldn't that show just how bad of judgment you have? Not saying it is right, but the decision does make sense.

A few articles on the issue:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080619/ap_on_el_pr/obama_money
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/20/1157218.aspx

The first one mentions how both Democratic and Republican advisers say that most candidates would not accept public funding if they could raise more privately, even if it meant a reversal of a previous statement. The damage done by the reversal will be made up for with the extra funding, because that funding will get his message to more people.

If less people watched TV, and more read up on things, it might not change the story as much.

Good points... I think there is a lot of loopholes in that whole govt funding system anyways, so to believe that they will both only use the 85 million or whatever might be a little naive.

 

[winter brew]

So, if he doesn't use the 85 mil of taxpayer dollars.....where does that $$ go??

 

[Ollie]

So, if he doesn't use the 85 mil of taxpayer dollars.....where does that $$ go??

General fund.

As for Obama not taking Gov funds.
He is making HUGE money form the socialist and super libs that are pouring money into his campaign.

his chances of winning will depend a lot of whether the media starts reporting the truth and who he chooses for a running mate. I expect it to be either Hillary or John Edwards. My hope is for Edwards. that guy is so far out there a lot of dems won't vote for him.

 

[maluchm]

So, if he doesn't use the 85 mil of taxpayer dollars.....where does that $$ go??

Damn good question and I hope the answer isn't Obama's front pocket instead of his back pocket.

 

[Dare-Ya]

So Obama going back on his pledge to use public finance is purely justifiable, because it's McCain's fault? Give me a break! You sure buy alot of liberal bs.

 

[Idcatman3]

So Obama going back on his pledge to use public finance is purely justifiable, because it's McCain's fault? Give me a break! You sure buy alot of liberal bs.

Who said that?

All I said was that McCain would probably do the same thing, if he was in a position to gain more from fund raising than from the public fund. Not excusing what Obama did, I do think he should have kept his word. I also think that he shouldn't have said that he would use the public fund in the first place, as he has consistently done well with fund raising.

McCain also has the huge backing of the Republican National Committee, which can spend as much money as they want to on his behalf.

The RNC has much more money in the bank that the DNC does.

 

[ruffryder]

So Obama going back on his pledge to use public finance is purely justifiable, because it's McCain's fault? Give me a break! You sure buy alot of liberal bs.

The only pledge he stated was to try and work out an agreement with McCain about both using funds. I think you are mistaken if what you thought Obama said.

 

[maluchm]

The only pledge he stated was to try and work out an agreement with McCain about both using funds. I think you are mistaken if what you thought Obama said.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obama-to-break.html

 

[khaddon2110]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obama-to-break.html

wait a minute.......that pledge and promise does not count because the Mcain campaign used fairy dust to trick him into making it..

What now?

 

[Idcatman3]

wait a minute.......that pledge and promise does not count because the Mcain campaign used fairy dust to trick him into making it..

What now?

I must be clicking on a different link.....

I didn't see anything that excused the decision to opt out, nor did I see anything that blamed it on McCain.

 

[ruffryder]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obama-to-break.html

That only stated the same things that I said. He would agree to using the govt money IF McCain would too. That was his statement. So why would he still do it if McCain doesn't? Seems like you guys are blowing this way out of proportion.

 

[Dare-Ya]

That only stated the same things that I said. He would agree to using the govt money IF McCain would too. That was his statement. So why would he still do it if McCain doesn't? Seems like you guys are blowing this way out of proportion.

You answered my question. I think you need to reread the article. Particularly the part about marking yes in Novemeber to a pledge to use public financing.

 

[ruffryder]

You answered my question. I think you need to reread the article. Particularly the part about marking yes in Novemeber to a pledge to use public financing.

Here is the quote from the article...

In November 2007, Obama answered "Yes" to Common Cause when asked "If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?"

I think you are forgetting the "and your major opponent" part. He pledged to do it if McCain did, that is it. So McCain didn't do it while Obama and Hilliary were duking it out (remember McCain was doing the General Election at that time, since he was the republican candidate), and so Obama doesn't either, what is the issue?

How about you re - re-read the article?

 

[Idcatman3]

Here is the quote from the article...


I think you are forgetting the "and your major opponent" part. He pledged to do it if McCain did, that is it. So McCain didn't do it while Obama and Hilliary were duking it out (remember McCain was doing the General Election at that time, since he was the republican candidate), and so Obama doesn't either, what is the issue?

How about you re - re-read the article?

That is (to me) a technicality, and if he (Obama) really meant what he said when he said he would take public financing, then he would be taking it now. Officially the general election does not start until after the conventions, which haven't happened yet. The argument is made that, yes, McCain was running a general election campaign on his own money, and therefore not taking the public financing money. However, was he just supposed to sit around and not do anything after he clinched the primary?

But I also think people are blowing this way out of proportion (like I think many people do when it comes to politics....or anything else.)

 

[Dare-Ya]

Ruffy, you can choose to see it anyway you want, but by all accounts I've read, the timeline of each quote from Obama and the fact that McCain agreed to it, leaves me to believe one thing (It's all about the huge amount of money Obama is receiving from leftists groups) and nothing more. You can play his little corrupt system for all it's worth, nice try to justify backing out of earlier said statements.