I'm not a push turbo guy- but very cool

[mmsports]

Pricing and info

I am trying to get ken to get me an exact price list. This is as close as I can get.
New 2012 G kit 4100 with out stand alone and 4900 with.

That is a 1100 $ jump from last year those Y manifold and the single throttle body must be expensive.

I have told ken I will not sell the stand alone ecu until I have seen it work so I really do not much care about waiting I am not going to sit on the fence all year waiting on it. He told me he will get me prices in 2 days.

 

[knifedge]

--Good to see Push and OVS both working to get the standalone system working and online.

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

My friend.
You and I now well how small elevation changes our sleds are expnaded for. That is why we don't need to touch our boxes. I doubt it is beacause I've made such a good tune on it
Software is made by the producent. Branix. It is not fancy looking like alot of other programs, and there's no reason it should be eather.
i have to disagree on that. I like enjoying a nice interface when i work with a software all day as a tuner but i agree it is not "necessary"
It has all function what you are looking for.
You can even set it up using it for "out of spesified" sleds if you figure out the wiring.
That is not true..... a lot of modifications are needed to ecu to have the cat ecu working on a polaris 2 stroke sled.cat and polaris not using same ignition system even if kokusan denki is the manufacturer( ac vs dc and wasted spark vs sequential spark ect...)
Everything is fully adjustable. All PID controlers needed. Ign, fuel, boost table,idle control, load map, 3D graph etc.
When you buy a SA, you start whit blank sheets.
will come pre mapped for N/A sleds
That means everything has to be possible to edit.
It is amazing. Not only for the turbo guys, but all of us that run really piped sleds will have a huge advantage in a product like this.
i agree with you.

It is basicly like an automotive SA program, but whit spesified function related to snomobile
engines in the powersports industry are a lot more basic compared to automotive industry.......So basicaly, the SA for sled are cut-off automotive ECU with trimmed software used in the car industry....it is the opposite of your statement

...

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

Just to clarify a few things,
We still think that the Dynojet Powercommander 5 is the best fuel controller on the market right now and we are still using it on most of our sleds. We have been talking to Brani Stojakovic of Branix and are very impressed with everything we've seen and heard so far.

The Branix standalone two-stroke ECU has not been tested, used, or sold to anyone in the U.S. yet.
thanks for your honesty.
Brani will be coming to North Dakota and along with our team here at Dakota Performance we will be dyno testing the ecu on 3 different AC sleds both turbo and non turbo, one Push Turbo and one OVS turbo very soon.
please make sure you post on here and on your youtube channel and on your website the videos of your testing.....i am anxious to see it working, like many others!
If we like the way it works then we will be available to anyone.
Good.

The Branix ECU is a two-stroke Standalone ECU for all two-stroke motors from different manufacturers both naturally aspirated and turbo charged.
Again, the ac 2 stroke ecu will not work on the polaris ecu without some changes on the pcb board.....might be a missunderstanding with Brani. a guy buying ac ecu will not be able to have a polaris 2 stroke working without a new ecu or some adapter box.

Prices have not been set yet, we need to find out how easy it is to use before we will set a price for the standalone.
the ease of using the software is not the problem, to build a realy good all around tune is different, but you have enough experience and with Brani's help, i am sure you guys will build something decent.

Overall, we are very excited about the potential of the Branix ECU and we want this ECU to be a bolt on application
it is suppose to be plug n play.
that will allow you to safely make large amounts of rideable horsepower with no headaches and constant tuning issues.
once tuned properly with a set-up, no need to tune ever again. of course different set-up need to be tune again but overall not a big job
wish you guys the best of luck and can't wait to try one of your cat mapping!! when we go by north dakota with our tour truck i will make sure to make a stop at your shop and say hello!

...

 

[Daltech]

...

It is not fancy looking like alot of other programs, and there's no reason it should be eather.

"i have to disagree on that. I like enjoying a nice interface when i work with a software all day as a tuner but i agree it is not "necessary"

Man, sure you are in the right forum? You disagree and agree on the same topic in the same sentence, You must be a politician.

You can even set it up using it for "out of spesified" sleds if you figure out the wiring.

"That is not true..... a lot of modifications are needed to ecu to have the cat ecu working on a polaris 2 stroke sled.cat and polaris not using same ignition system even if kokusan denki is the manufacturer( ac vs dc and wasted spark vs sequential spark ect...)"

Who named Polaris 2 stroke? You have the solution for that, I hope. So there should be no need to adapt it to that.
If you set it up 4s, you can pick waste or seq as you want.

Everything is fully adjustable. All PID controlers needed. Ign, fuel, boost table,idle control, load map, 3D graph etc.
When you buy a SA, you start whit blank sheets

"will come pre mapped for N/A sleds"

First, it does meen nothing for the guy asking the question, since he has a turboed 2s. He will need to spend alot of time mapping anyway.
That is still a illusion. Nice to have the orignal mapping figured out yes, but you know well there is as much different setups, as there are mod guys. If it contains the stock map, you would be 3/4 way.
And yes, I've heard the idea that you will deliver map for different pipes etc. Nice as well, but a still it will just suit the average joe.

It is basicly like an automotive SA program, but whit spesified function related to snomobile

"engines in the powersports industry are a lot more basic compared to automotive industry.......So basicaly, the SA for sled are cut-off automotive ECU with trimmed software used in the car industry....it is the opposite of your statement"

Again, you sounds like a politican. It is basicly like a automotive software.
It contains everything to get an engine running, at high power levels. No, there is lacking alot of functions as you will find in a car ecu, but the basics is the same.
And you have added functions for powersport use. Like electric powervalve control f.ex. Don,t see electric powervalves in a car operated by a servo motor.
...

Next time, I won't qoute you. To much work

 

[Johnmaster]

"This thing sounds awesome but it seems like they are getting them more and more like trucks."

If you mean more like trucks in the way that they are becoming more powerful and more reliable, then yes...

I just learned the basic ins and outs of EFI live (and some pretty advanced stuff too) this summer. My first flash was a complete operating system overhaul on this project I was working on. It's not rocket science, but just takes some time and research. You'll learn a hell of a lot in the process too.

 

[sweperformance]

Using EGT`s. Closed lopp water to air intercooler giving me ice cold intake air regardless of outside temp.. Sealevel to 5000feet.. Stable exhaust temp.

Swe, can you please explain how you don't have to touch your Attitude controller ever please?

With temperature change I have to adjust my Attitude box going from winter to spring and then into summer. I'll end up pulling almost a full 8 lights of fuel going from the coldest day that I see to the warmest day in the summer or I will run pig rich 10 AFR and cooler EGT's. When the ambient temperature warms up and the air density decreases, I notice it on my EGT and AFR a lot. If you're not touching your fuel controller once in a season then I am thinking you're going to be running rich during warmer weather. The ADA on the Boondocker box helps with this I believe, not 100% sure though. As far as I know, the attitude fuel controller doesn't compensate for this, as seen by my gauges.

Do you run AFR or EGT gauges?

 

[sweperformance]

My friend.
You and I now well how small elevation changes our sleds are expnaded for. That is why we don't need to touch our boxes. I doubt it is beacause I've made such a good tune on it
Software is made by the producent. Branix. It is not fancy looking like alot of other programs, and there's no reason it should be eather.
It has all function what you are looking for.
You can even set it up using it for "out of spesified" sleds if you figure out the wiring.
Everything is fully adjustable. All PID controlers needed. Ign, fuel, boost table,idle control, load map, 3D graph etc.
When you buy a SA, you start whit blank sheets. That means everything has to be possible to edit.
It is amazing. Not only for the turbo guys, but all of us that run really piped sleds will have a huge advantage in a product like this.
It is basicly like an automotive SA program, but whit spesified function related to snomobile.

Sounds good..! Are there any logging application in the software? It would be useful.

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

"This thing sounds awesome but it seems like they are getting them more and more like trucks."

If you mean more like trucks in the way that they are becoming more powerful and more reliable, then yes...

I just learned the basic ins and outs of EFI live (and some pretty advanced stuff too) this summer.
we are working everyday with e.f.i.live, diablo, ecu tek all those solutions are awsome since you do not have to invest in a new SA ECU.....but pain in the a$$ compared to a plugin standalone. you do not get the flexibility and the ease of use(making changes in the maps and loading them).
My first flash was a complete operating system overhaul on this project I was working on. It's not rocket science, but just takes some time and research. You'll learn a hell of a lot in the process too.
No rocket science to have some kinda of a tune, but to have a winning mapping on race circuit AND finishing a season of WRC (12x 2 hours enduros stages ) with same motor and nothing blown is a bit of rocket science!!! We need not to foul people around with our product(standalone), it is not adressed to the average joe, it is adressed to experienced tuner or a solid shop that wants to learn from the distributor/manufacturer.

...

 

[Johnmaster]

My logic wasn't "anyone can do this from scratch" but moreso "anyone who dedicates some time and learns what is going on can "work on" these systems" which was the posters complaint. I agree that editing your own cal isn't for the average Joe but neither is owning a turbo sled...

 

[Daltech]

Sounds good..! Are there any logging application in the software? It would be useful.

Yes there is. You can trend most of the usefull information coming in. And also have target in the trend for comparing to req values.

 

[Pure Logic Tuning]

OVS will be testing this system this year on the M-8. When the Dyno testing starts one of the sled's being done is a OVS Tial kit. As Dakperf said the unit has not been ran or tested yet and we are hoping for the best but the proof is in the pudding as they say. OVS will offer this stand-alone once it has been fully tested and is customer ready. The 2012 M-8 turbo kit will be priced as follows-
Pump gas with Garrett ball bearing turbo/ Tial turbine housing/ Tial external wastegate/ Pure Logic Control Box-$3995.00
Race gas with Garrett ball bearing turbo/ Tial turbine housing/ Tial external wategate / Pure Logic Control Box-$4995.00
Branix Stand-alone will be a option on any turbo kits. The cost is not known for sure so as soon as testing is done it will be posted.

P.S- For those that are having problems with there turbo's having to move the boxes constantly give me a call in most cases it can be corrected very easy. Trav-801-940-7777

 

[WyoBoy1000]

What turbo will be used and why is twisted the only one using a 2876, sounds like the push hybrid may have its beni's but everyone else is still stuck on the 2860.

 

[knifedge]

X2 on the question above.

--Extensive discussion took place over this past summer regarding turbo sizing on the 800. The conclusion to this discussion was that a 2871 70a/r hybrid or a 2876 performed best at altitude.

--What has changed? The OVS website states they purposely use the larger turbos at greater expense for best performance. Now this year they are offering a 2860 for the 800...What gives?
http://www.ogdenvalleysports.com/theirs_vs_ours_93.html

http://www.ogdenvalleysports.com/800_prp_climb_102.html

 

[Pure Logic Tuning]

The 2860 turbo is only used in the pump gas model flat because it is cheaper and that seems to be what it is all about when it comes to pump gas with out going to non ball bearing knock-off turbo's. The 2871 turbo is still the best turbo for the OVS crew on the M8 and the 2876 does not spool faster we have tested it. Most of the difference is the 2876 has a 70 A/R housing stock and if you have the same .70 A/R housing on the 2871 you get the same quicker spool that the housing is giving the 2876. This is something at OVS we have been giving the customer for over a year on are 2871 turbo's. The other question is there are 6 different 2871 turbo combinations and alot of the 2871 combinations do not run well because of turbine and compressor sizing is not correct. If a customer wants a 2871 on the pump gas we can make the adjustment on the price in what they want. If you want a 2876 we have them instock, they are not much more than a 2860 and cheaper than the 2871.

 

[knifedge]

--Thanks for the reply--That clears it up--Hope you guys sell alot of turbos, make alot of money, and keep developing better systems.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

So it is obvious the 2871 is better than the 2860, thanks for clearing that up, maybe the difference on the kits is the tail, between the 2876 and 2871 tail. Or the fact different things work for different kits,

 

[knifedge]

--A turbo with a Tial wastegate on any size turbo( 2860, 2868, 2871, 2876) will outperform a similar size turbo without one.

Tial offers
--Less blowby= more back pressure=more HP on 2 stroke=more HP per LB of boost
--Less blowby=more efficient exhaust flow over turbine wheel
--Less blowby=more work performed per psi of exhaust=more boost available at low, mid, high engine rpm=more HP available per given engine rpm
--Less blowby=better spool up and throttle response
--What is not to like

 

[WyoBoy1000]

But who is to say the 2876 doesn't work better without a tail. and every kit is a little different so what the builder says is best, is probably a good place to start.

 

[knifedge]

--A properly setup Tial should really help spool the heavier, bigger diameter compressor wheel of the 2876, given the physics of how it works. Tial
wastegate just reduces exhaust blowby and makes more efficient use of the already
available exhaust.