If I can't find an M8, should a go with a M1 instead? Or keep looking?

[WyoBoy1000]

Get the M8. M1000 will wear you out alot more......mostly from having to hang on twice as hard!!
I've rode both and the 8 was a touch easier to throw up on it's side, but it was a 153 and my M1, 162 didn't have a handlebar riser. That said, the 8 was easier to ride because you didn't have to hang on as tight, seriously.
So it comes down can you hang onto a bunch more hp for less $$ or do you want the sled that won't pull your arms off?
I'd opt for the 1000.
Min'es got a slp pipe, cpc head, intake and fuel box and the power is niiiice. About 900 mi, on second belt about 200mi ago. Hasn't blown a belt, runs great, easy to pull weight off of. The M8 felt just as heavy to dig out when it was stuck! No reason to think it won't be a reliable sled for quite a few more miles.

a 153 is what made it easier, I can tell the diff there but not in weight.

 

[600xc4me]

Sick that's hard to rap your head around. Normally if your talking those kinds of numbers its a turbo. Not bad from a na sled. I would be happy with just pipe, PC3 or PC5, intake and clutching, running close to 200hp going by what you guys have said, and keep the reliability. I'm willing hold on and get more tired if that's the price for it. haha I know when was on my old gen two, sledding with buddies on IQ's, if I would swap sleds with them for a while I would get tired a lot faster, cause the chassis just bags to be ridden hard and get thrown around. So you wear your self out faster till you get used to that. I'm sure being a bit more tired is worth it. I'm young and in good shape so I'm not overly concerned about that. Found a few 09 M1000's SP's for $10500 CAN, not bad comparing to all the other dealers around. Just need to get mine sold. lol Still waiting for the guy to get back to me.

 

[Dano702]

One more vote for the M1000. I just picked up an 09 SP 162 . I put about 16 miles on it just trying to break it in so far. And at 1/2 throttle and less i can already tell it is nothing like an 8 .


The M1 is so cool, the race gas 8 looks more and more like a backup sled.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

I don't know how it compares but I think someone just picked up a 09 m1000 for $8500 US not long ago. I've seen plenty for 8900 US

 

[Chazmanian]

someone just picked up a 09 m1000 for $8500 US not long ago

That was my Boy "Smasher" he bought it from these guys:http://www.powerworldsports.com/

My buddy is really using the torque and brute thrust on his M1000 and pulling off stuff that leaves me shaking my head in awe....He gets tired and just sits his fatass down on that monster and powers up and over stuff effortlessly.....He dosent even have the pipe and Y pipe yet

I'm gonna need a Big Bore to even hope to hang with him in the power dept.....That bone stock M1000 really rips and honestly rides pretty derned light to me being an XP guy. His absolute smugness with all that power and flickability is irritating!!!

If I cant get a grasp on my new XP by midseason?

I'll change my derned login name to OneLitrefever and hunt me down an 09' leftover M1000 SP!!!

 

[600xc4me]

One more vote for the M1000. I just picked up an 09 SP 162 . I put about 16 miles on it just trying to break it in so far. And at 1/2 throttle and less i can already tell it is nothing like an 8 .


The M1 is so cool, the race gas 8 looks more and more like a backup sled.

I don't know why guys even buy the M8 if the M1 is really as much nicer as you all are making it sound. I mean I hear about a ton of M8's all over, but not many M1000's. I don't get why there are not more if they are such gems? lol Or is everybody just big of wimps to use the extra power?

I don't know how it compares but I think someone just picked up a 09 m1000 for $8500 US not long ago. I've seen plenty for 8900 US

The dollar is close now, but the market is TOTALLY different. Normal price for a left over 09 M1 is around $12000 or up to $13000 is places. Retail is $14400 here. If we could get anywhere close to that price here I would buy two. And if shipping over the boarder was easier, and I found a dealer willing to do it. Then I would go that route. Other than the fact I might need to buy one, and have it with in a few days of finding it. That is if my sled sells here pretty soon. If not I'll just take the D8 on our trip. But I don't want to be missing possibly my only trip this year because a lack of sled. lol

 

[Dano702]

I bought my 8 because i could not afford an M1000 back then. And i got the 8 dirt cheap as a hold over. The 8 is alot of fun at 12 lbs , but i could never ride one N/A .


The 09 M1 feels really light , i cant wait to ride it at 12 lbs.

 

[polarisfornow]

I don't know if this has been mentioned but what about a xfire 8 141? switch out the track to a power claw and you'd have a real nice boondocker sled. lightweight and super nimble. I have seen a few running around in the horns and they go everywhere the 153's do. Might be an easier sled to find?

On a side note I have followed your thread on your dragon and all the hard luck you've had. Really sucks when a guy buys a brand new toy and has to spend all of his time wondering if its gonna leave him stranded.

good luck

 

[05snopro440]

I don't know why guys even buy the M8 if the M1 is really as much nicer as you all are making it sound. I mean I hear about a ton of M8's all over, but not many M1000's. I don't get why there are not more if they are such gems? lol Or is everybody just big of wimps to use the extra power?



The dollar is close now, but the market is TOTALLY different. Normal price for a left over 09 M1 is around $12000 or up to $13000 is places. Retail is $14400 here. If we could get anywhere close to that price here I would buy two. And if shipping over the boarder was easier, and I found a dealer willing to do it. Then I would go that route. Other than the fact I might need to buy one, and have it with in a few days of finding it. That is if my sled sells here pretty soon. If not I'll just take the D8 on our trip. But I don't want to be missing possibly my only trip this year because a lack of sled. lol

The 1000 was a lot more than the 800 to buy new. For leftovers the price is pretty even. I was going to buy an 800 last year and got a leftover 08 1000 for just over the 10,000 mark (I'm near Edmonton). I was afraid of the 1000 till I got on one. You couldn't give me anything else now. I put a can on mine and that put it as the same weight as a stock 800 (but with loads more power and torque). I have about 500km on mine and haven't had any belt issues, and the only venting I did was put a single flow-rite in the fenderwell in front of the clutches (only did that within the last 100 km though, as a precaution for spring riding).

 

[600xc4me]

I don't know if this has been mentioned but what about a xfire 8 141? switch out the track to a power claw and you'd have a real nice boondocker sled. lightweight and super nimble. I have seen a few running around in the horns and they go everywhere the 153's do. Might be an easier sled to find?

On a side note I have followed your thread on your dragon and all the hard luck you've had. Really sucks when a guy buys a brand new toy and has to spend all of his time wondering if its gonna leave him stranded.

good luck

I thought of that before yeah. But Am not sure that's a way I want to go. I started on a 2000 600 XC, and spent about 5g into it trying to turn it into a mountain sled. ended up with a 700 VES, 136, total custom running boards, steering post, bar riser and bar set up, RMK seat and endless other things. It was a money pit trying to make it something it was not. The crossfire is a lot closer to a mountain sled stock, but I have gotten used to the 155 range track and love it. I carve and whip it around a lot faster than my buddies 09 800 144. The extra track is awesome. I would have a hard time going back to anything shorter than what I have now. Although the crossfire would be a good sled for the flats where I ride most, but I have fallen for the all out mountain chassis already. Good idea though.

Serious? So you know why I'm coming over then. Thanks.

The 1000 was a lot more than the 800 to buy new. For leftovers the price is pretty even. I was going to buy an 800 last year and got a leftover 08 1000 for just over the 10,000 mark (I'm near Edmonton). I was afraid of the 1000 till I got on one. You couldn't give me anything else now. I put a can on mine and that put it as the same weight as a stock 800 (but with loads more power and torque). I have about 500km on mine and haven't had any belt issues, and the only venting I did was put a single flow-rite in the fenderwell in front of the clutches (only did that within the last 100 km though, as a precaution for spring riding).

Yep that makes sense I guess. New they are quite a chunk more than the M8 I guess. Wow that's a good price for a one year hold over. Not bad at all. I'm hoping to be able to find one around $10500-$11000. Cause i want to be able to buy it out cash. Walk out the door and feel good about not owing a cent on a new sled. So I'm hoping I can find a good deal by the time I come to that point. I thought I would be buying really soon here, but the guy who was interested in my D8 said he would talk to the bank, but hasn't gotten back to me. So it might be a while yet, if this is his way of backing out anyway.

It's good to hear so any guys having good luck with these sleds. Sounds like an easy choice. Only thing I don't like is the sticky oil pumps, don't really want to run premix as I read a topic scaring me away from the BDX kit. But it sounds like there are ways to fit that problem. And the DD bearing as well, not a big deal really. Annoying yes, but minor. I'm thinking I'll fix those two issues and run it about stock for a year.

O hey new question for you guys. What is cat's warranty like once you do any mods? Will a y pipe void warranty? How about a full out pipe set, PC, and intake?

 

[ACMtnCat]

I don't know why guys even buy the M8 if the M1 is really as much nicer as you all are making it sound. I mean I hear about a ton of M8's all over, but not many M1000's. I don't get why there are not more if they are such gems? lol Or is everybody just big of wimps to use the extra power?

It's because not everyone weighs 250lbs and needs a monster! I have both sleds and my twin piped M8 with a 153" PC will out climb the lightly modded 1000 with a 156" CE. It's a great sled with some good torque but, the 1000 is not the "gem" these guys are making it sound like. It has problems that can or can not be cured on your dime!

Come on! 225hp out of this 1000cc!? Maybe at -3000 feet! Surely not at 9000 feet!

 

[WyoBoy1000]

I got mine last jan 7 09 for $9900, just have to look, local dealer wanted 12,200 to start with. I know some that paid more for m8's the same year.

 

[powderpounder]

I have new m1000,s for sale in swap in B.C. Great deals for a great sled.

 

[600xc4me]

It's because not everyone weighs 250lbs and needs a monster! I have both sleds and my twin piped M8 with a 153" PC will out climb the lightly modded 1000 with a 156" CE. It's a great sled with some good torque but, the 1000 is not the "gem" these guys are making it sound like. It has problems that can or can not be cured on your dime!

Come on! 225hp out of this 1000cc!? Maybe at -3000 feet! Surely not at 9000 feet!

That's true. But if you can have the HP, and not sacrifice that much handling, why would a guy not want that power? I'm a sucker for HP, not like some, but you wouldn't to easily see me on something smaller than an 800. I ride low elevation 95% of the time. Those numbers are probably high, but who really cares what the numbers say? I judge sleds more by how they perform out there where you ride, than they do on a dyno. HP numbers mean little to me, but it's cool to have an idea. So what kind of problems are you referring too? I would love to hear from a few guys who weren't all for the 1000, and hear some reasons why.

I got mine last jan 7 09 for $9900, just have to look, local dealer wanted 12,200 to start with. I know some that paid more for m8's the same year.

That's US right? But still that's a pretty nice drop in price. $1200 bucks off what he wanted would be nice.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

That's US right? But still that's a pretty nice drop in price. $1200 bucks off what he wanted would be nice. [/QUOTE]

You mean $2,300. a friend bought a Sp from him the same time for $12,800.

Any mods to a sled will void warranty, so know what you are doing when you do it, If something fails not because of the mods it will depend on your dealer.

Any hp dyno numbers I refer to are at see level, obviously. If I gave hp numbers at elevation it would be added. Barometric pressure at sea level is about 15 lbs and at 10,000ft its around 10 lbs, you loose about a third of your air so you can assume a 1/3 loss in hp at 10k. with all my mods it runs at 10k like it did stock at 4500ft.

ACmtcat, That m8 you have would not be so impressive against a 09 m1000 with full pipe set. I know you are good buddies with culter so here is one for you. 06 m7 with cutler 1000 (rated at 215hp) 156 CE with all the right clutching and the guy knows how to tune. sled handed it to a stock 09. he was neck and neck with me I did some adjusting and was beating him then he change some clutching and I did some more tuning and his was better but would not touch my sled. I'm sure if he had the same tunnel and a PC track it would have been different, but the 09 is completely different than the older sleds. Many people have changed there sleds to be like a 09 for a reason and some directly because of mine. I plan on heading down your way this winter and we will have to do some comparing. ( still want to see the 150"x16" kick my arss )

 

[weldab]

Peace river ford has 09 m8s for 10500 .Better then paying 13200 for my 2010 snopro though.

 

[ACMtnCat]

ACmtcat, I plan on heading down your way this winter and we will have to do some comparing. ( still want to see the 150"x16" kick my arss )

The old beast 1M may just be dead! He may have burnt it up on Sunday. He is thinking of parting it out to buy my 1000. But he cant get with the M chassis!

 

[WyoBoy1000]

The old beast 1M may just be dead! He may have burnt it up on Sunday. He is thinking of parting it out to buy my 1000. But he cant get with the M chassis!

If it does what you where saying he should keep it or someone should for a backup, I was hoping to see something I didn't beleive, well maybe we can still do some riding anyway.

 

[GlennRMK]

I personally have ridden an 09 M1000 and my 09 M8 back to back on the same day in the same terrain.

You can definitely feel the weight on the 1000 for sure.

I would stick to the M8 myself.

There is an 09 M8 std 153 for $8200 here if your interested (brand new on the dealer showroom).

 

[600xc4me]

Right $2300. lol Not sure where my head was. Ok I figured. Wasn't sure though cause with polaris, and my dealer, you can run a pipe and do intake, some guys even have heads as well, and still covered. I knew cat was stricter but wasn't sure how strict. Warranty has been my friend last winter, and the start of this one too. So far Polaris has about $10,000 in warranty dollars into my D8 Anyway, cat won't have that problem I'M SURE.

Thanks weldab, I might check that out. That's the closest cat dealer for me.

GlennRMK, thanks. Was the difference quite bad? or is the 1000 something you would still get used to coming from your M8? I want and need flickablility, but the power of the 1000 draws me to it. We only have one M1000 in town, an 09, with slp pipe on it. BUt the guy has no idea how to tune. Has a boondocker but hasn't touched it yet. Hasn't touched clutching either. So I don't really want to ride his. You wouldn't get the true feel for what it is. There is one more coming to town soon here though, totally stock, know the guy a bit so I might be able to jump on that one for a bit. I'll see. I don't want to buy one without feeling the weight. Some say it's really noticeable, some say you can hardly feel it at all. I want to know for my self how it feels.

That M8, that would be buying from a dealer then, does he sell over the boarder? Would be a sweet price seeing as the dollar is close. Extra cash for Mods.