Drill in ANWAR and eat the Caribou. Don't forget about E85 and how that is such a GREAT thing. So how do they want to explain the global warming (oops now it is called global climate change) this past winter. I have never seen that much snow out west when I went there. And this spring it is has been cooler longer - spring is about 2 weeks behind right now here in MN. Someone needs to have the political balls to be politically incorrect. Where are the conservatives that are supposed to be working for us in Washington. I don't think there are any.
I thought price fixing was illegal
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Show me one case of radiation indused mutations??
Nuclear power is the safest and cleanest power available.
As for the birds comment.
At one of the largest wind power sites in california there are law suits trying to shut them down. They show pictures of thousands of bird carcases. The blades on the wind turbines spin fast enough that they literally cut the birds in two.
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Gas and oil prices.
Heres the deal.
The politicians will prance and preen. They will argue about drill/no drill. They will complain about who's fault it is. they will do everything they can to make it look like the other party is at fault.
Bottom line.
When push comes to shove they will drill. They will do what needs to be done to get the prices down.
Why??
They have to. They don't have a choice. It goes to the basic reason they are in DC to begin with. Power.
They will do what ever they have to to keep the power. They aren't stupid. They know that if they let it go long enough the people will simply toss them out and get people that will do the job. It crosses party lines.
They will fiddle with the economy, they will mess with enviromental policy, they will pander to the ones giving them money, but they will never forget who has the real power. They just don't want us to know it.
Why do you think they haven't gotten their illigal immigrant amnesty passed?? Public outrage. they aren't going to push to the point of rebellion.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could generate enough public outrage to force them to backpeddle on enviromental issues.
Heres the deal.
The politicians will prance and preen. They will argue about drill/no drill. They will complain about who's fault it is. they will do everything they can to make it look like the other party is at fault.
Bottom line.
When push comes to shove they will drill. They will do what needs to be done to get the prices down.
Why??
They have to. They don't have a choice. It goes to the basic reason they are in DC to begin with. Power.
They will do what ever they have to to keep the power. They aren't stupid. They know that if they let it go long enough the people will simply toss them out and get people that will do the job. It crosses party lines.
They will fiddle with the economy, they will mess with enviromental policy, they will pander to the ones giving them money, but they will never forget who has the real power. They just don't want us to know it.
Why do you think they haven't gotten their illigal immigrant amnesty passed?? Public outrage. they aren't going to push to the point of rebellion.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could generate enough public outrage to force them to backpeddle on enviromental issues.
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Screw wind generators. I'm guessing that most the people pushing for em don't have to have them built in their own back yard. How would a tree-hugger like one of these damn things messing up their sky line?
I was being sarcastic about the bird thing, I know nuclear power is safe, and I am all for it. Is this a new wind farm (last 10 years) or much older? I know the small ones would spin really freakin fast, but the newer larger ones spin much slower, but there tip speed is still pretty fast.
I personally don't mind them and I think they are really cool to look at. Most wind power resources are in the plains, where the impact on the skyline is reduced. They have actually been shown to increase tourism to the area.
If the tree hugger doesn't like it, well it just proves that they are stupid. What would you rather have? A coal plant that produces pollution that you can't see or a wind turbine that produces only visual pollution. I am with the latter. I wish they would paint the wind turbines cool colors, like a pinwheel or something.
I'm all for expanding oil drilling in our own country, heck even in ANWAR...
Only if it actually drops our prices..... And the govt and the oil companies can guarantee it.
It is not a right vs. left thing either... I'm a sledder and boater and hydrocarbon user extraordinaire.
The private enterprise of the Oil Companies is what is putting it directly in your rear.
If ANWAR and offshore oil in our own country is expanded we WILL NOT see lower prices at the pump....
Fist off the infrastructure of drilling and transport/distribution will take years to do. So the direct effect in the near future will not be felt at our gas pump... the oil companies will use the cost of development and drilling to justify keeping the cost of this domestic oil as high as the oil we currently get.
Second, this same oil will enter the global market and THE OIL FROM ANWAR WILL COST THE SAME AS OPEC OIL. The major oil companies, that have been making a record KILLING with the price of gas for them, are the ones cashing in on this as are the pork barrel politicians (both Demo and Republican).
PROOF in the punch... if the per barrel price of oil has been going up... why then also have the profits been going up for the oil companies. For example, if you sold apple pies, and it cost you $1 in materials to make the pies and you sold them at supermarkets across the country for $3... If the cost of your ingredients went up 50 cents and you used that excuse to sell your pies now for $5 you are now making out like a bandit. But since people don’t have to have the pies, you would not make more profits; people would stop buying pies..
Well, our country is addicted to gas and other fuels for our trucks, cars, snowmobiles, heating, transportation etc.... It is not an option to turn our heat or hot water off, use our farm tractors less, service our cattle or drive less miles in our commute (when our public transportation is one of the worst in the world). That we don’t even have fuel efficient car choices at the dealerships (that is compared to the remainder of the free world). Heck, it is part of our culture from "flower sniffin hippies" to truck drivin cowboys to use gas and oil products...we are hooked...
Well if we combine the future potential of proposed offshore and ANWAR oil and "flood the market" with our oil... it will be more like a trickle than a flood...unless you are talking about a flood of money for the oil companies, the pork-belly, and the lobbyiests. Putting our domestic oil into the global market, which is what will happen because of the free trade laws in effect that that the corporate structure uses every loophole and tax credit for.
Corporations ARE NOT evil...I mean that sincerly.... they are profit driven... those practices may not be compatible with our way of life in the the future.
The only solution, if you want your gas prices to remain lower, is for the government to regulate the amount of profit that the oil companies can make.
I know this sounds like it goes against the American way, but if our price of gas is not directly tied to national security and economic preservation of our culture, then I don't know what is.
We send our children/husbands/wives off to foreign wars to protect that supply of oil... if that does not DEFINE this as an issue of "National Interest" then I don't know what does...
Ronald Regan stepped in an ended the air traffic controllers strike using emergency powers. The same thing should happen with the price of gas at the pumps... and not by lowering the taxes on it like some of the nut-bag canidates have been proposing.
It's not the Arabs or our lack of drilling in ANWAR that are making our prices of gas high; it's corporate and political greed. WE NEED TO CHANGE THE RULES!!
Our oil companies are so far up the Arabs behinds that you don't know where one starts and the other ends. Our own companies are direct participants in the whole OPEC concern.
This will never happen as the lobbyist for the special interest groups of the oil companies have too much of a strong hold on the feds, the states and the S.E.C. to ever allow that to happen.
Get used to the price of Oil being high because Wall Street, the Chicago exchange, the oil companies, our politicians and their lobbyists control the price of all our precious fuel and make huge profits from it all! :mad
Here's a well put comment from a fellow snowester and North Shore Worker:
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Lets talk "Apples to Apples" here...
Can anyone give me an idea of what the non-domestic (NON American domestic) production of oil is in barrels per day?
What is the estimated production of oil from the proposed ANWAR and domestic offshore drilling expansion in barrels per day?
What is the estimated production of oil from the expansion of oil drilling in Northern China (Mongolia and the northern territories of China) in barrels per day?
What percentage of the oil predicted to be produced in these proposed domestic expansion areas would this be of the world oil production and how would that affect the price of oil per barrel when added to the global oil market?
Can anyone give me an idea of what the non-domestic (NON American domestic) production of oil is in barrels per day?
What is the estimated production of oil from the proposed ANWAR and domestic offshore drilling expansion in barrels per day?
What is the estimated production of oil from the expansion of oil drilling in Northern China (Mongolia and the northern territories of China) in barrels per day?
What percentage of the oil predicted to be produced in these proposed domestic expansion areas would this be of the world oil production and how would that affect the price of oil per barrel when added to the global oil market?
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I guess with a title like "ANWAR oil will have little impact" sums NBC's point of view up...
So lets see... another 5 years before we see our first drop from there... and another 16yrs before It really makes any sense.... HELL, I'll be 60 by then.... and flying around with Doc in the Delorian time machine by then.... well, probably be driving a 900cc turbo diesel that gets 75 mpg...
What is the other side of the coin's supporting argument?... there is always 2 sides to every coin.
So lets see... another 5 years before we see our first drop from there... and another 16yrs before It really makes any sense.... HELL, I'll be 60 by then.... and flying around with Doc in the Delorian time machine by then.... well, probably be driving a 900cc turbo diesel that gets 75 mpg...
What is the other side of the coin's supporting argument?... there is always 2 sides to every coin.
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It is one of the newer fields. The complaint is the tip speed is close to sub-sonic and chewing the birds up.
Oil.
They found a new field in the gulf of mexico. Supposed to produce close to 2 million barrels a day but will not be at that capacity for another year or so.
My prodiction will be they will drill in anwar. If nothing else they will pass the legislation to start the process.
That will give the Dems the ability to blame the republicans and say they are pandering to big oil, and the republicans can say the dems are out of touch and being hard on the working class. They have to have a way to blame each other or it won't happen.
since when was "re***e" a banned word on snowest???
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Well you know the libs and the media arn't going to tell you the truth or anything other than what they want you to know or think. that is of cource until they can claim responcibility for it.
I thought that was what the second link was for? Sorry, should have looked closer to the links. Second one is fixed and is the same as below.
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Not the lush, wildlife filled vision that most of the less informed people think of when they think Alaska Wilderness!!!
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How did you get all the animals to leave?
Your picture doesn't look like my picture.
Bottom line....
Can any of the Big Oil companies who want the right to drill these areas even tell us that this will lower the price at the pump?????? This year? Next year? 10yrs out?
If you drive a gas/diesel pig... you will have to pay for it... big time....
That F250 superduty that you drive alone to work or the jobsite... you are going to have to figure out if there is a way for you to use something more fuel efficient OR decide that having that 11-15 mpg @ $5/gallon truck is worth the exepense...
Or can you get by with a smaller truck?
If you use your truck for hauling your work gear.... OUCH!! I feel for you friend.
Most of the construction company trucks that I see in the parking lots with a two place trailer behind them dont even have lumber racks on them... but they do run some nice 20" rims and are a great tax write-off!! [more power to you ]
ANYONE?
Snowlover,
What part of ANWAR are those pix from... or are they general summer Tundra shots of Alaska?
Can any of the Big Oil companies who want the right to drill these areas even tell us that this will lower the price at the pump?????? This year? Next year? 10yrs out?
If you drive a gas/diesel pig... you will have to pay for it... big time....
That F250 superduty that you drive alone to work or the jobsite... you are going to have to figure out if there is a way for you to use something more fuel efficient OR decide that having that 11-15 mpg @ $5/gallon truck is worth the exepense...
Or can you get by with a smaller truck?
If you use your truck for hauling your work gear.... OUCH!! I feel for you friend.
Most of the construction company trucks that I see in the parking lots with a two place trailer behind them dont even have lumber racks on them... but they do run some nice 20" rims and are a great tax write-off!! [more power to you ]
ANYONE?
Snowlover,
What part of ANWAR are those pix from... or are they general summer Tundra shots of Alaska?
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I don't see how any domestic oil production will decrease our costs here. Why would international companies produce oil and sell it at a rate lower than the world market?
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