I saw these posts in another section, I think it's wrong.....

[XXL]

"i hate to sound like somebody who just doesnt give a SH!T, but im gettin sorta tired off all this when we can and cant ride.... something like this. but on a serious note, with it beeing not around bozeman, its pretty much ok to violate rules as there arent hippys pooping there pants everywhere. nobody else can get in, so we will be there!!"

"i poach selectivaley and discreately, not in obvious areas, and areas without hippies.

not everyone is smart enough to do it, so no, everyone esle play by the rules "



He is talking about riding in closed areas, Nobody likes to loose areas that they can ride. I think this is bad for the sport and should be discouraged.

 

[Tedd]

You are absolutely correct..... It is children like this that piss off all of the enviro-zealots that have nothing better to do besides sit in there climate controlled condos and write letters to the forest service.

Thank you to whoever wrote this, without you myself and others would not have to volunteer our spare time to keep the people who care about having open areas to ride informed of the areas that they are trying to close.

 

[sled_guy]

So is riding in "posted" areas a form of civil disobedience? Is it maybe someone taking a page from the enviro-extremes' own handbook and applying it to the other side?

Probably not, but it's an interesting thought... at what point do you stop working inside the system and start becoming the extremist?

Probably too deep of a discussion to have on Snowest.

sled_guy

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

well, seeing as all those quotes are directly from me, i guess im gonna have to explain myself, i know this forum is a hard sorta place, and especially seeing as its this close to snow, people are gonna be pi$$ed and maybe a little harder then normal, but hey, thats just the nature of the beast i guess.

sled_guy, i feel like i try and play fair most of the time, but some rules are gonna be broken.... I do consider it a form of civil disobedience, I understand i can get in trouble for it, and am willing to risk that,I just try and not be a d!ck about it by riding in the middle of nowhere in no liberal saturated areas. I have a pretty darn quite can, i keep quite around skiers and the likes, im as respectful as can be, wave at everyone, give em rides even if not waved down. the only times i poach is before and after season, so dates, not areas.

and Tedd, i know its easy to be pissed at people you dont know on snowest, but knowing all the quoted posts are mine, im gonna try and explain myself, as im pretty sure most people have done the same thing as me a lot, just mine come up on here because of certain things... people want to ride early, late or on the boundries, i tell them that its illegal, but if there gonna do it anyways, how to stay out of trouble, and keep things on the down low for the sport and other things.

just trying to say dont be to quick to judge, i try and do my part to, i write letters, and join clubs,try to be as respectful as possible, just cant stand getting shut down and never getting any area back.

I bet if i sat down and talked with many of the people on here, im just as responsible as the vast majority of guys on here, im just getting really tired of being part of a fad thats going out of style. Anyone who wants to chat, come by, ill buy you some beers and talk about it, or maybe a coke, seeing as im not old enough to drink.

 

[rev440alaska]

hahah.

 

[MARV1]

^^Sounds exactly like this azzhat^^rev440alaska.

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

Thank you to whoever wrote this, without you myself and others would not have to volunteer our spare time to keep the people who care about having open areas to ride informed of the areas that they are trying to close.

I dont wanna sound like a know it all teenager, but i think after seeing that video of those skiers saying there day was ruined by the sleds gives you an idea of what were up against. I see that your a SAWS rep, so your aware of the people who are up against you, it has nothing to do with weather or not we follow the rules, they want to stop it any which way. I still fight for our side, but sometimes its hard not to break a rule or two, or at least it is in my mind, sledding around here closes March 15 this year, it was still over the hood pow for 1.5 months after that this year, so its hard to sit at home. i think you know what most would do. not saying anything i do or advise is right, just saying, i think we might talk like we are on the straight and narrow sometimes, but venture off it from time to time.

 

[rev440alaska]

azzhat? ohh you mean a hazmat certification?

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

^^Sounds exactly like this azzhat^^rev440alaska.

i feel as though i can cary myself with a little more respect and dignity than that dude.

great example, was a thread posted by me and some other guys who went riding, pretty sure the location was all not open yet, but when everyone looked at it all the responses were how sick the snow looked. 3 pages of responses, and nobody said anything.

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

azzhat? ohh you mean a hazmat certification?

dude please go find somewere else to go play, im trying to expain things in a logical reasonable manner, and i dont need the likes of you and your reputation dragging me down.

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

your right...im the one dragging you down... not the years of you being an idiot and failing school... but me, a guy on snowest, im the thing thats dragging you down.....

dude, enough, you having nothing to say on the subject of this thread, you, as someone who is looked down on by the snowest group for beeing an azzhat.... and come on, please do something besides bash people you dont know, because im well aware you dont know me, or anything about me, as obviously im failing at school in your mind.

back to the discussion on about playing by the rules and breaking them.

 

[rev440alaska]

haha your right, sorry. that was a little mean. i dont have any clue about your schooling either.

 

[tech a]

Unfortunately I have a feeling the in the not to distant future all snowmobiling
will be illegal despite all the effortsof the great organizations out there that I support....The same is true with any motorized off-road vehicles....The same
is coming with regard to guns.....
I have broken the rules myself from time to time as we all have, sometimes unintentional, sometimes not.....I am not going to judge others....
I know it is not helping our cause, but, it happens and the reality of it is
that even if the greenies can't find legitimate violations to document, they will just invent some....happens all the time, not going to stop....

Just don't be too hard on the guy, he is young, we all make mistakes.
I'm sure everyone on here has broken the law before, maybe not with regard
to when/where you are riding snowmobiles, but, something like speeding, etc...

Not supporting the behavior, but, not throwing stones either....

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

Thanks dude, again, not trying to be an a$$hat myself, but that is what the forum could use right now, is a little bit of stuff like that, MANNING UP!!

I would like everyone take notice, as someone was able to admit a mistake on here, and make right, this shows people what kinda person you are, not how great you can make fun of people.

 

[rev440alaska]

yea. here in ak i called the forest service and was told by them it was legal to ride in a certain spot. then i went riding and a few days later i got a call saying i was getting a citation because it was illegal to ride there. i was kinda pissed and i calmly explained my story but they said nobody had told me it was illegal. lucky i knew the rangers name and gave it to them and it got cleared up. i ended up only paying a registration ticket

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

Unfortunately I have a feeling the in the not to distant future all snowmobiling
will be illegal despite all the effortsof the great organizations out there that I support....The same is true with any motorized off-road vehicles....The same
is coming with regard to guns.....
I have broken the rules myself from time to time as we all have, sometimes unintentional, sometimes not.....I am not going to judge others....
I know it is not helping our cause, but, it happens and the reality of it is
that even if the greenies can't find legitimate violations to document, they will just invent some....happens all the time, not going to stop....

Just don't be too hard on the guy, he is young, we all make mistakes.
I'm sure everyone on here has broken the law before, maybe not with regard
to when/where you are riding snowmobiles, but, something like speeding, etc...

Not supporting the behavior, but, not throwing stones either....

thanks dude, glad someone understands my sentiments exactly, thanks for not throwing stones man. glad some people can see my point.

 

[Sako7STW]

You know they do bring up an interesting point. Why the He11 do we have to be the ones sitting back with our tails between our legs? Are we the big dogs on the porch or the pissy puppies on the lawn? I have said it before on other issues. The greenies and the likes, push and push till they get what they want. When are you going to stand up and push back??

Look at this quote from Tedd:

"Thank you to whoever wrote this, without you myself and others would not have to volunteer our spare time to keep the people who care about having open areas to ride informed of the areas that they are trying to close"

He and many others volunteer to try and fight for our rights to ride. Well thats what the greens are doings as well. Unfortunatly they out number us and fight harder and bigger. If you want to keep your riding areas open, get involved and be as vocal and active as you can.

Now when your riding, thats where the tails get tucked. I see alot of riders that dont go where they would like to. They dont ride the way they want to. All because of fear. Dont be scared, ride it the way you want and wear you want and dont say your sorry for doing so. One thing I see ski dooin-it doing is showing that sledders can be considerate and respectful thus a good example. He is however doing it illegaly and that isnt good.

I have thought alot about this over the past summer. I really dislike cross-country skiers. Cant stand them! I would rather get off my sled and punch them in the mouth as much as look at them. Who are they to say we cant enjoy the land as much as they do? Is the view at the top of the mountain better for them than for us? What makes them so special? they better than us because they are a bunch of tofu and granola eating so called purists because they strap 2 boards on thier feet and work all day to go the same distance we can in 20 minutes?

sounds terrible dont it! Well now just imagine what they say about us! So how do we fix this? Thats where the action needs to be taken. I have decided to try and be more sociable with the skiers. Ask them how thier day of skiing is going. Show them that I am just as good of a person as they think they are. That I am enjoying the views I am seeing. the fresh powder that graced us ALL the night before. things like that.

It may be a small bite out of a huge melon but if more and more of us took that type of approach while doing what you want to do, being the big dog at the same time. Maybe we can make a difference???

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

You know they do bring up an interesting point. Why the He11 do we have to be the ones sitting back with our tails between our legs? Are we the big dogs on the porch or the pissy puppies on the lawn? I have said it before on other issues. The greenies and the likes, push and push till they get what they want. When are you going to stand up and push back??

Look at this quote from Tedd:

"Thank you to whoever wrote this, without you myself and others would not have to volunteer our spare time to keep the people who care about having open areas to ride informed of the areas that they are trying to close"

He and many others volunteer to try and fight for our rights to ride. Well thats what the greens are doings as well. Unfortunatly they out number us and fight harder and bigger. If you want to keep your riding areas open, get involved and be as vocal and active as you can.

Now when your riding, thats where the tails get tucked. I see alot of riders that dont go where they would like to. They dont ride the way they want to. All because of fear. Dont be scared, ride it the way you want and wear you want and dont say your sorry for doing so. One thing I see ski dooin-it doing is showing that sledders can be considerate and respectful thus a good example. He is however doing it illegaly and that isnt good.

I have thought alot about this over the past summer. I really dislike cross-country skiers. Cant stand them! I would rather get off my sled and punch them in the mouth as much as look at them. Who are they to say we cant enjoy the land as much as they do? Is the view at the top of the mountain better for them than for us? What makes them so special? they better than us because they are a bunch of tofu and granola eating so called purists because they strap 2 boards on thier feet and work all day to go the same distance we can in 20 minutes?

sounds terrible dont it! Well now just imagine what they say about us! So how do we fix this? Thats where the action needs to be taken. I have decided to try and be more sociable with the skiers. Ask them how thier day of skiing is going. Show them that I am just as good of a person as they think they are. That I am enjoying the views I am seeing. the fresh powder that graced us ALL the night before. things like that.

It may be a small bite out of a huge melon but if more and more of us took that type of approach while doing what you want to do, being the big dog at the same time. Maybe we can make a difference???

glad to see some others feel the same way, your post sums up my thoughts very simply. i would like to also point out, the few times i have gone out and ridden things that are off limits or after season dates, i NEVER see anyone as were i go the likes of the hippes would never go, you have to actually travel up some scary roads to get there, places the subarus would never make it to.

I try and be the postive voice of sledding, and be sociable with others, we ride by a ski resort, so i try to be nice and give tons of people a ride, even though i want to just go out and ride the whole time, it doesnt take much, but i try and give things a positive manner. It is also hard seeing as nobody on here knows were i went or at what dates, so its hard to explain why i feel i dont do much harm. one time i went riding june 20th, the riding was supposed to end april 15th, so 2 months and 5 days after season, i stayed on roads, cuz there wasnt much snow left. it was 100% legal ro drive my lifted loud arse truck up the roads, but as soon as the sleds out its illegal.

the same area we sled we go drive up in the summer, we were in my girlfriends suby driving up to a lake mid summer, and on our way back we are cruising down a nice main logging road to get to these lakes, we come around one corner and there is a couple with there dogs wandering up the center of the road, we slam on the brakes to avoid these people in the middle of the road, and slowly pass by waving apolagetically for scaring them, even though we weren't going fast at all, they just called there dogs and glared at us... its this kind of attitude we are up against and i think its hard to get past that sometimes,

i try to be the bigger person and be nice and respectful, but they just get mad at me even if there in the wrong!! this makes it real hard to listen to rules they dictate.

 

[mtn_extreme]

You ask for honest opinions -

As much as I understand your frustration with not being able to control a given situation.........if we all took your attitude of "discreet poaching", the unraveling of our riding areas would continue at a much greater speed. If we don't show effort to police ourselves then we give the powers to be every go-ahead to do whatever means they feel necessary to control their position WITHOUT us having any right to rebute the situation. Same as if you didn't vote - you have no right to bit(h about how things play out in the next four years.
So with this said , you are not the best advocate for snowmobilers and are doing more harm than you seem to realize.

This is my opinion,
MX

 

[powder Head]

"glad to see some others feel the same way, your post sums up my thoughts very simply. i would like to also point out, the few times i have gone out and ridden things that are off limits or after season dates, i NEVER see anyone as were i go the likes of the hippes would never go, you have to actually travel up some scary roads to get there, places the subarus would never make it to".

I was going to stay out of this but I have to chime in. The reason you never see anyone going where you are when it closed is because, it's closed "hello". They close it for a reason, whatever that reason is, wherever it is. Botom line is your breaking the law.

Is it alright to point a gun at someone, as long as your not going to shoot them. Is it alright to drive drunk because you are such a good driver and are not down town but out in the country where there are less people.

I know these are both extreme examples, but the botom line is you are ruining the sport for others that obey the rules. You don't think I haven't come up to a boundry line and gone, wow that would be so cool to go back there.

If your area closes early travel to somewhere that's open. Move somewhere you can ride all the time. Options are out there, you aren't affecting only yourself if you get caught. You are affecting everyone on this forum who likes to ride and abide by the rules.

Yellowstone is a good example, I don't ride in the park myself but part of the reason they keep lowering the number of sleds in the park is because people go off trails and speed. If you don't like the rules go somewhere else where you can ride within the rules and still have the same fun you would have without breaking the rules.

It a simple choice....................