Gives me a good laugh when i see one, which recently has been quite often. Can't wait till those batteries go bad and they are crying at the dealership!!!!! Even saw one with a ski rack!!!! Go hybrid!!!!!!!
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I'm not a fan either. I heard something a while back that the batteries in those things if not disposed of correctly and or recycled could do way more damage to the environment than 200K of 15 MPG. Not sure if it's truth or not but thought it was interesting. I know that for the most part they will be disposed of properly but as parts become valuable (especially those batteries) I'm sure thieves and chop shops will add them to the hit list and you can bet that they won't care about recycling the toxic lithium batteries.
Got sick of hearing about the Prius real fast when someone I knew bought one. Blah Blah Blah It's a little $hit box roller skate, got over it! Worked on the Hybrid Electric Vehicle at Nissan.... nothing like having a trunk FULL of batteries.
what a joke, you put more than 2 people in it and turn on the ac and it gets worse mileage than a pickup
So there I am cruisin' along at 70MPH on I-94 between Clearwater,MN and Minneapolis, on my way to the metro from "up north", and this smug-looking young woman, (saving the Earth ) in her Prius goes whipping by me on the inside lane.
I'm thinking "yeah right", really saving fuel with that buzzy little1.8 Liter lawn mower motor revving to beat he!!. Then a few miles later down the road, she's now on the outside lane, talking on the cell phone, I pass her, and continue on my way.
Low and behold, not 10 minutes more, here she comes again on the inside lane and passes me again, with the pistons in that little motor really "pi$$ing! " LOL. Nothing "electric" happening in that Prius at those speeds.
My "road car" is an '05 Camry XLE-V6. (3.0 Liter) and gets 30-32MPG highway as long as I don't go much over 70.
) in her Prius goes whipping by me on the inside lane.I'm thinking "yeah right", really saving fuel with that buzzy little1.8 Liter lawn mower motor revving to beat he!!. Then a few miles later down the road, she's now on the outside lane, talking on the cell phone, I pass her, and continue on my way.
Low and behold, not 10 minutes more, here she comes again on the inside lane and passes me again, with the pistons in that little motor really "pi$$ing! " LOL. Nothing "electric" happening in that Prius at those speeds.
My "road car" is an '05 Camry XLE-V6. (3.0 Liter) and gets 30-32MPG highway as long as I don't go much over 70.
what a joke, you put more than 2 people in it and turn on the ac and it gets worse mileage than a pickup
Not quite, it just turns into a small care with a small motor. That is unless your pickup gets amazing mpg... I think they get 40 mpg on the highway when the batteries are not helping you.
Laugh all you want, but this technology will be the norm in 10 years.
I personally think that is fantastic. Get more Americans using less gas, and the prices may not rise as fast for the rest that want to run 10 mpg trucks..
You guys should be cheering more people on to buy these things.
This is an evolutionary process with this technology. It will keep getting better and better, and the component costs will reduce as the technology attains economies of scale.
I personally think that is fantastic. Get more Americans using less gas, and the prices may not rise as fast for the rest that want to run 10 mpg trucks..
You guys should be cheering more people on to buy these things.
This is an evolutionary process with this technology. It will keep getting better and better, and the component costs will reduce as the technology attains economies of scale.
Then hurry up everyone and buy one so my diesel prices drop. I won't be pulling my gooseneck with batteries.
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Now you went and ruined a perfectly good thread by posting something intelligent. Don't get me wrong, I have no interest in driving on of those slow little Toyota death traps (I might when they make a Lexus GS in a hybrid...), but if you are seriously hacking on someone for wanting to reduce overall pollution AND keep the price of fuel down for everyone else, you are just plain ignorant. Or maybe you like paying $6.00 per gallon for gas.
For the record, reputable (non-greenie) sources estimate that so far the battery failure rate for the Prius is about 1 in 25,000 cars. That's pretty damn good.
I admit they do look goofy as h*ll though.
Bingo! They aren't for everyone I agree.
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You think we have enviromental problems now.
Wait till there are millions of electric cars out there.
Then you can figure out what to do with the 100's of millions of batteries.
Then take into account the fact we can't produce enough electricity now, wait till there are millions of cars plugged into the system. And no, it won't be an "only plugged in at night" thing. We have people that drive electric cars here where I work. They plug the darn things in at work so they will have enough juice to get home.
They are going to have to build a chit load more nuke plants to power all this.
Not to mention the cost of the current batteries in these things. Have you priced those batteries?? It is almost cheaper to buy the gas and get a car with really good milage.
Until they come up with a system that doesn't have disposable batteries, it won't work.
The lead in batts is all recycled.
It is estimated that 90% of a new batt is recycled old batt.
The only issues should be mining enough new lead to keep up with all the new BIG batts for these, and all the sulferic acid going down the hwy.
I think I might rather take my chances with gasoline as acid! At least if the gas burns up I won't suffer as long as an acid bath!
Gasoline evaps quickly - negating any real enviro issue in an accident. Not sure what the acid would be like? I spose if you hose it down and dilute it enough it's not much issue either?
Two reports of hybrids are 50 and 52 mpg.
I wonder if that is b/c they are plugging in at home?
1980 diesel Rabbit got 50mpg too. It's nothing new...
It is estimated that 90% of a new batt is recycled old batt.
The only issues should be mining enough new lead to keep up with all the new BIG batts for these, and all the sulferic acid going down the hwy.
I think I might rather take my chances with gasoline as acid! At least if the gas burns up I won't suffer as long as an acid bath!
Gasoline evaps quickly - negating any real enviro issue in an accident. Not sure what the acid would be like? I spose if you hose it down and dilute it enough it's not much issue either?
Two reports of hybrids are 50 and 52 mpg.
I wonder if that is b/c they are plugging in at home?
1980 diesel Rabbit got 50mpg too. It's nothing new...
I am curious as to how electric vehicles are going to effect emergency responders when the vehicles get into accidents. They will probably need some sort of device that shorts or discharges the batter pack (lots of energy) when the vehicle gets hit.
They will probably need testing gear like linemen to see if a car is hot or not, as would happen if the vehicle.
Thinking about this further, I am not sure if it would happen. You would need to have the grounds to the battery disconnect from the frame/chassis and go to the road surface/or another car, with the positive lead going to the frame.... I guess it is more likely to get into a short situation in the car itself. Might be a means of causing car fires...
I guess if they put the batteries in the back of the car, and had a rear electric drive system, you could completely isolate the system from passengers with a rear firewall or something similar.
Ollie:
The greenies might in the end be doing us a huge favor with these electric vehicles. YOu are right, the current electical supply could not power all the cars charging needs.
There is no way solar and wind could put a dent in what is required to recharge 20 million vehicles (I have no idea what the number would be, I am just pulling that figure out of my ar$e)
Greenies don't want us driving gas driven engines, so they are going to box themselves in.
We will have to generate more electricity. They don't want coal (Bad for the earth), solar and win and hydro is not enough. Nuclear is the way we will need to go, or all this electric vehicle "house of cards" will crumble.
It will be fascinating to watch the debate over how to create more electricity in the next 10 years. Greenies will argue conservation, solar and wind. Reality will dictate new power plants in a massive scale. Nuclear is best for our "mother earth", but it will be interesting to see how this issue unfolds.
Battery chemistry for hybrids.
I've been reading the posts and just for fun I "googled" hybrid car battery type.
According to this site, H'bd cars utilize HiMH, Nickle-Metal-Hydride chemistry. This is commonly used in battery powerd tools, and other portable devices.
http://www.hybridcars.com/faq.html
Here is one quuote:
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"How often do hybrid batteries need replacing? Is replacement expensive and disposal an environmental problem?
The hybrid battery packs are designed to last for the lifetime of the vehicle, somewhere between 150,000 and 200,000 miles, probably a whole lot longer. The warranty covers the batteries for between eight and ten years, depending on the carmaker.
Battery toxicity is a concern, although today's hybrids use NiMH batteries, not the environmentally problematic rechargeable nickel cadmium. "Nickel metal hydride batteries are benign. They can be fully recycled," says Ron Cogan, editor of the Green Car Journal. Toyota and Honda say that they will recycle dead batteries and that disposal will pose no toxic hazards. Toyota puts a phone number on each battery, and they pay a $200 "bounty" for each battery to help ensure that it will be properly recycled.
There's no definitive word on replacement costs because they are almost never replaced. According to Toyota, since the Prius first went on sale in 2000, they have not replaced a single battery for wear and tear."
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No lead or sulphuric acid is involved with NiMH.
As far as the car itself is concerned, it might be ok for a daily metro commuter, but for me, who lives in the woods in a rural area, no thanks, right now.
I've been reading the posts and just for fun I "googled" hybrid car battery type.
According to this site, H'bd cars utilize HiMH, Nickle-Metal-Hydride chemistry. This is commonly used in battery powerd tools, and other portable devices.
http://www.hybridcars.com/faq.html
Here is one quuote:
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"How often do hybrid batteries need replacing? Is replacement expensive and disposal an environmental problem?
The hybrid battery packs are designed to last for the lifetime of the vehicle, somewhere between 150,000 and 200,000 miles, probably a whole lot longer. The warranty covers the batteries for between eight and ten years, depending on the carmaker.
Battery toxicity is a concern, although today's hybrids use NiMH batteries, not the environmentally problematic rechargeable nickel cadmium. "Nickel metal hydride batteries are benign. They can be fully recycled," says Ron Cogan, editor of the Green Car Journal. Toyota and Honda say that they will recycle dead batteries and that disposal will pose no toxic hazards. Toyota puts a phone number on each battery, and they pay a $200 "bounty" for each battery to help ensure that it will be properly recycled.
There's no definitive word on replacement costs because they are almost never replaced. According to Toyota, since the Prius first went on sale in 2000, they have not replaced a single battery for wear and tear."
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No lead or sulphuric acid is involved with NiMH.
As far as the car itself is concerned, it might be ok for a daily metro commuter, but for me, who lives in the woods in a rural area, no thanks, right now.
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