I pretty sure this is SORE subject with all!!! Ok... I would consider paying more if we could be able to do something about the offenders of the SNO-PARKS and the TURN-AROUNDS. They know who they are. At times you can't even find a place to park. Because some idiot thinks he needs ten fricken parking spots or some tree branch skier does'nt have a parking pass. So that leaves the people out that do pay at todays rates. Don't you think the State would have more money if they patrolled a little more. my 2 cents...PB
How much would you pay for Tabs? Poll
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Adrenaline Revolution
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I can't believe some of you are serious about paying more to the system in place now.
How about this...
I say we continue to pay as we have been and hold the powers-to-be to become accountable for their spending.
Get the system fixed to become accountable to the people...That's US, and then possibly I would be more interested in paying more for better quality.
The fact that they "Ran out of funds" in friggen Febraury only proves my point that they are not capable of following a budget.
Would you give a crack head money because he made poor decisions and he's broke or would you insist he got help and cleaned up his act first and THEN help him out with some extra funds?
Am I alone on this?
How about this...
I say we continue to pay as we have been and hold the powers-to-be to become accountable for their spending.
Get the system fixed to become accountable to the people...That's US, and then possibly I would be more interested in paying more for better quality.
The fact that they "Ran out of funds" in friggen Febraury only proves my point that they are not capable of following a budget.
Would you give a crack head money because he made poor decisions and he's broke or would you insist he got help and cleaned up his act first and THEN help him out with some extra funds?
Am I alone on this?
I would be willing to spend more if I have more confidence in where and how the funds were spent. Seems the more they take, the less we get in return.
MtnSldr
MtnSldr
Well stated--This is a big part of what I was saying---
Sno- park permits for year $300
Tabs for sleds--------$105
Tabs for trailer------$ 50
I use the sno parks minimally with my rigs--maybe twice a year for the MH and spend $100 for that--heck $50 a night to park--where is my power/water/sewer hook-up. Heck I stay at some nice places in my MH for $36 a night and get everything for hookup plus hot tub and pool etc.
A fee per visit would distribute the fees to the area's that get used the most--HMMM.
I do not mind a additional charge for the sno park--But $100 per vehicle--do not think so. Maybe a transferable permit from vehicle to vehicle for that price--might think about it. So if you take 35,000 regestered and tabed sleds--figure 15,000 sno park permits--that is $1,500,000 for plowing--that should more than cover it--eh??
Just another way of getting more money out of ya.
H20SKE...
Can someone tell me how many registered sleds there are in WA. for 2007? Lets do the math.
Does anyone have an hourly rate in which it costs to run a goomer, (ie) what the contractors are charging the state?
Does anyone have a copy of the specs for this job?
I fully understand that fuel prices are going up, however, when you bid a job, you have locked yourself into a contact, and if fuel prices go up, that is nobodies responsibility but your own.
I also agree with the statement of joining a group and power in numbers.
MtnSldr
Does anyone have an hourly rate in which it costs to run a goomer, (ie) what the contractors are charging the state?
Does anyone have a copy of the specs for this job?
I fully understand that fuel prices are going up, however, when you bid a job, you have locked yourself into a contact, and if fuel prices go up, that is nobodies responsibility but your own.
I also agree with the statement of joining a group and power in numbers.
MtnSldr
AMEN!!
MtnSldr--the answer is right here--35,000 sleds tabbed.
They have tons of money---the money was diverted to plowing everything else because of the snow falling. it has been over a week since they have plowed squat up on the pass.
H20SKE...
drewdoo How about if in the grooming contract the groomer provides a person to collect a daily fee from riders in the form of a booth set up at the trailhead of baker. Ten bucks for the day or 50 or 75 for a yearly pass. Just like they do at revy. I dont know what the right answer is but there has to be a good way to off set the almost 2 dollars additional price per gallon for fuel. So keep the snopark permits the same price and implement a daily or yearly user fee collected by the groomer in your area with a open book policy to see where those funds are being spent in your area.
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MOONMAN
Well-known member
35,000 x 35.00 = 1,225,00.00 divide by 70+ snow parks 17,500.00 each per year
Hardly what I would call tons of money!
For 17,500 a season--3 months according to the state--I will take the contracts and start a whole new buisness.
Most of the snow parks are not that big--only BIG snow park is crystal springs.
3 months x 8 plows a month= 24 plows for 17,500---Count me in!!
H20SKE...
Most of the snow parks are not that big--only BIG snow park is crystal springs.
3 months x 8 plows a month= 24 plows for 17,500---Count me in!!
H20SKE...
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MOONMAN
Well-known member
Don't forget to groom a couple thousand miles of trail while you are at it!
Do a good job so we don't have to b!tch!
Okay--then 5 plows a month in the lot and say 4 groomings a month--(equipment broke down the rest of the time) and I am in!!
TAX-Tax-tax
Pay for the right to ride at the trailhead. Then the busier parks get more money as it should be.
H20SKE...
I think you are arguing and using a bogus number of 35,000, sounds more like a BS statement. Lets get a number to work with that has some credibility, you know what they say, garbage in, garbage out. Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. so let me ask again, this time I will make it more clear.
Does anyone know the exact number of sleds that have been registered in 2007? Not about, not something like, but within 1% of the actual number.
If you start with a bogus number, your end estimate will be worthless. I understand that 35,000 may have a slightly remote possibility of being the actual number, but most likely not. Someone on this forum has to know this information?
MtnSldr
You bring up a very valid point, yes Deisel/Gas has doubled, you are correct. I know a few years back we fought to get our gas tax funds allocated to the groomers, does anyone know what the total is per gallon that is being diverted into the grooming fund? Also what is the average gas usage per registered sled per year.
Yes, Moony, you are right, gas has doubled, but then again, so has our tax funds to be allocated towards grooming.
MtnSldr
I suspect that once we get good information and do the math, we will find some "Arthur Anderson" account practices here. just my .02
John---This is the number that the state has given for tabed sleds this year (07)in washington. Ya--I just put up bogus numbers --DUHR. I just popped a number out of thin air---Have another
.H20SKE...
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John---This is the number that the state has given for tabed sleds this year in washington. Do not like--Bite ME!!
Ya--I just put up bogus numbers numbskull--DUHR. I just popped a number out of thin air---Have another
H20SKE...
35,000 is a pretty round about number, sounds like a guestimation..... You know a S.W.A.G. and seemed suspect to me.... If it is, someone out there knows the exact numbers. Lets play with the facts and specifics here.
WASSA board members? SAWS guys? Someone knows these numbers, or where can I look to find them?
HOSKE, I am trying to prove your point, quit arguing with me.
That is the way the state does it though--they round the numbers off so they do not have to be exact.
I imagine you call the state they might give you a closier number, but doubt it.
It is wssa dude.
H20SKE...
I imagine you call the state they might give you a closier number, but doubt it.
It is wssa dude.
H20SKE...
