HM Turbos - No More Messing with the "BOX"

[sledstew]

Excellent thread....finally getting some real, legit info about this system out there. I've talked to Shane numerous times and he says the biggest problem he faces is customer misinformation or lack of information completely. His setup is the real deal! I'm glad to see some first hand experiences shared here on the forum. Thanks to MCSD409, Sledstew, and Scott for helping to fill in the blanks, good work. I absolutely CANNOT wait to ride mine the season!

Cheers

You will love it, we (Shane ,Levi and me a bit) worked extremely hard in the field to make this happen and its gonna be a game changer. I've helped guys like Brad Wursten with his 1100 Billet go to EFI, Couple Mtn Tek Turbo guys ,some Silber and a couple Boondockers,and a few N/A guys in Canada and they all say IM NEVER GOING BACK to the old fueling system. Honest truth is that if their old boost was 8 psi that feels like 6 on the new system. HM's kit is by far the best design on the market right now thats why I picked Shane to work with on this system. The cool charge temps, awesome clutching, every engine mod possible, pipe designs, clean kit, and very well thought out is the reason we can offer turbo pipes, engine mods and that sort of stuff because its been on the snow and tested side by side,make one run with one setup pull it off and use the same sled to make the other run up the hill- Shane loves to test stuff to death! We would rather see our customers run lower boost efficiently than run 16 psi boost.

 

[subman]

vi-pec

i am running on a 2013 pro hm turbos porting head pipe clutching and the vi-pec. ran one all last year but no vi-pec come ride one dec 8 at revey

 

[Iceman56]

Aero has variable vanes. Lower RPM has a different vane pitch than higher RPM. Vanes change pitch through RPM range.

Sorta like changing gearing...optimizes boost and minimize lag.

Another thing with race gas...the higher the octane, the better chance of lag. REGARDLESS of charge tube dimensions. If someone could figure out how to get pump gas to the bottom end throttle and then a mix of race gas in mid range on low boost, then full race gas on top end with high boost, then lag would be even less. Throttle response would get WAY better.

In theory. I think Vipec CAN do that. I threw out this scenaria to Shane last May when I went along to ride at Lolo Pass.
Shane and I have talked about that. I think he and Levi can make that work. Might involve some creative fuel cell work...but hey, that Vipec is very capable of making that happen.

I have thought about this a lot too, you wouldn't think it would be that hard. Why couldn't you have a split fuel tank one side pump fuel the other race fuel. You could run the secondary injectors on the race fuel the stock injectors could spray pump fuel up to 6psi boost or however much there capable of then have the other ijectors start mixing race up to however much boost you can run on a 50/50 race pump mix. You would gain throttle response and wouldn't be burning your expensive race fuel when cruising down the trail or going through the trees at low speeds, and always getting the right mixture. You would think for the most part you would use a lot more pump fuel in a day, so could possibly make the pump fuel side of the tank a couple gallons bigger??

I don't know it all sounds good when you think about it don't know if it would work. I don't see why this wouldn't work perfect for the Boost-It fuel system too just run his secondary injectors on race fuel??

Any builders have any thought on this?? Neil, Sledstew??

 

[sledstew]

I have thought about this a lot too, you wouldn't think it would be that hard. Why couldn't you have a split fuel tank one side pump fuel the other race fuel. You could run the secondary injectors on the race fuel the stock injectors could spray pump fuel up to 6psi boost or however much there capable of then have the other ijectors start mixing race up to however much boost you can run on a 50/50 race pump mix. You would gain throttle response and wouldn't be burning your expensive race fuel when cruising down the trail or going through the trees at low speeds, and always getting the right mixture. You would think for the most part you would use a lot more pump fuel in a day, so could possibly make the pump fuel side of the tank a couple gallons bigger??

I don't know it all sounds good when you think about it don't know if it would work. I don't see why this wouldn't work perfect for the Boost-It fuel system too just run his secondary injectors on race fuel??

Any builders have any thought on this?? Neil, Sledstew??

Sounds real easy to do , just dont like secondary injectors for a couple of different reasons. Definitely can be done, but how do you find that happy medium for all the corrections on when to run race fuel and when to run pump gas????? It would have to be boost level corrected which isnt an issue but fuel management (the amount of fuel needed for the day) might be tricky.

 

[Iceman56]

Sounds real easy to do , just dont like secondary injectors for a couple of different reasons. Definitely can be done, but how do you find that happy medium for all the corrections on when to run race fuel and when to run pump gas????? It would have to be boost level corrected which isnt an issue but fuel management (the amount of fuel needed for the day) might be tricky.

I thought the HM 240hp kit came with another set of injectors?

Yeah like I said I make it sound easy but figured I was missing a lot stuff.

You've prolly seen this vid but this is what I was talking about if anyone wants to know go to about the 2:30 mark in this vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP6SVptIT94

 

[Iceman56]

Sounds real easy to do , just dont like secondary injectors for a couple of different reasons. Definitely can be done, but how do you find that happy medium for all the corrections on when to run race fuel and when to run pump gas????? It would have to be boost level corrected which isnt an issue but fuel management (the amount of fuel needed for the day) might be tricky.

You said Shane likes to do a lot of testing

 

[subman]

hm turbos

no one set.

 

[shmuckaluck]

Hey guys,
I can just say that I've ridden friends turbo's in the past and it was like pushing the throttle on my 7.3 diesel, wondering when it's going to hit. When I rode the kits with the Vipec it felt like it's should. Your brain wasn't wondering why your thumb is pressing but nothing is happening. it was instant power on and off the throttle, no falling on it's face. I'm not big balls no brains rider so the higher boost was to much for me, but it was fun to ride a turbo, something I couldn't say about the turbo's of old. Just wish I could buy one, then again I will just ride my friends new turbo's.

 

[northerns4]

Is the vipec system available for use on the dragons? Or is it only for the pros? On the hm site is does not list the vipec as part of the dragon kit, but would it work as an add on?

 

[Scott]

I THINK it's just on the Pro at this time.

 

[longgold]

HM Turbo

You KNOW mine is paid for and on the way!

Cannot wait.

Make mine faster than eve3ryone elses SHANE...or else.

Hey, remember to vent the ****e out of it too...pretty warm, wet, heave snow here in Whistler...

Revolution Motorsports' Felix will be doing my ongoing tuning on this sled, so anyone local interested in the HM should talk to Felix...he is going to work closely with SHane in the future...

Putting the Vipec on my 2011 HM Turbo 163 too...anyone local in Whissy is welcome to come try it out some time

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

Revolution Motorsports' Felix will be doing my ongoing tuning on this sled

This statement boggles my mind... so your spend an extra $2k for a stand alone that is supposed to be the end all "box that you dont have to mess with", and your going to have someone doing "ongoing" tuning with it.... guess i just see so many things wrong with the statement i dont even know how to convey them very well.

 

[SHERMAN]

Now your assuming a lot, maybe he's also doing a big bore, his own porting, different compression, boost level ( rather than the 2 offered), wanting to run race fuel instead of av. Maybe the man likes to tinker with new toys to see if improvements can be made. Never the less, be happy for a guy that is obviously stoked to play with some new goodies.

 

[rusty rider]

This statement boggles my mind... so your spend an extra $2k for a stand alone that is supposed to be the end all "box that you dont have to mess with", and your going to have someone doing "ongoing" tuning with it.... guess i just see so many things wrong with the statement i dont even know how to convey them very well.

I'm not really sure why that was said, or maybe he means the entire machine in general? Anyways, I got a chance to ride a hm tpro in cook city last year, I was completely blown away at how well it ran, almost no lag. I couldnt get it to stubble anywhere. Very fun to ride overall, It ran so much cleaner than mine. I guess we will see this season how they do with the average joe guys starting to run them. If they are extremely issue free over the next couple seasons it will be part of my next turbo machine.

 

[Iceman56]

This statement boggles my mind... so your spend an extra $2k for a stand alone that is supposed to be the end all "box that you dont have to mess with", and your going to have someone doing "ongoing" tuning with it.... guess i just see so many things wrong with the statement i dont even know how to convey them very well.

I couldn't agree more I am confused at what is going to be tuned?? Maybe he can explain more?

 

[longgold]

This statement boggles my mind... so your spend an extra $2k for a stand alone that is supposed to be the end all "box that you dont have to mess with", and your going to have someone doing "ongoing" tuning with it.... guess i just see so many things wrong with the statement i dont even know how to convey them very well.

"Boggles your Mind?"...your mind is obviously easily Boggled". Let me "convey" something to you...

For those of you whom are genuinely interested in me clarifying my "Tuning" comment (heaven forbid one might want to tune their sled post vipec installation). I might change boost up or down, also, tuning includes ongoing clutchin, shock set-up......as well, I break ****, hit tree's etc.. We ride pretty warm weather in Whistler, underhood heat can lead to tuning modifications...Felix will be working on my sled, so if you want to know more about the HM turbos on my sleds, or want to build one, I was recommending they talk to Felix if they are local here in BC.

What "boggles my mind" is a wee-tawd like yourself would figure a vipec would manage all of these matters for me.

Go slap yourself, you may see it all more clearly...I dont wrench, I go to work, make some money and pay a guy who's job it is to wrench stuff...

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

"Boggles your Mind?"...your mind is obviously easily Boggled". Let me "convey" something to you...

For those of you whom are genuinely interested in me clarifying my "Tuning" comment (heaven forbid one might want to tune their sled post vipec installation). I might change boost up or down, also, tuning includes ongoing clutchin, shock set-up......as well, I break ****, hit tree's etc.. We ride pretty warm weather in Whistler, underhood heat can lead to tuning modifications...Felix will be working on my sled, so if you want to know more about the HM turbos on my sleds, or want to build one, I was recommending they talk to Felix if they are local here in BC.

What "boggles my mind" is a wee-tawd like yourself would figure a vipec would manage all of these matters for me.

Go slap yourself, you may see it all more clearly...I dont wrench, I go to work, make some money and pay a guy who's job it is to wrench stuff...

All the things you listed, adjusting boost, warm temps, whatnot, SHOULD be managed by any stand alone worth a ****, thats kinda the point? Correction factors and whatnot already setup FOR THE KIT!

 

[longgold]

Your confusion stems from the fact that you are confusing tuning my sled with reprogramming the vipec...or is it that you just want to take issue with this unit? Maybe they are the be-all end-all, maybe they aren't. What do I know? Like I said, I bought one...I just buy the stuff. Felix will be working on my sleds, tuning and fixing **** that breaks or needs tweeking...

sounds to me like you are taking issue with the HM claims of their vipec.

I still strongly recommend you...slap yourself...repeatedly

 

[Iceman56]

"Boggles your Mind?"...your mind is obviously easily Boggled". Let me "convey" something to you...

For those of you whom are genuinely interested in me clarifying my "Tuning" comment (heaven forbid one might want to tune their sled post vipec installation). I might change boost up or down, also, tuning includes ongoing clutchin, shock set-up......as well, I break ****, hit tree's etc.. We ride pretty warm weather in Whistler, underhood heat can lead to tuning modifications...Felix will be working on my sled, so if you want to know more about the HM turbos on my sleds, or want to build one, I was recommending they talk to Felix if they are local here in BC.

What "boggles my mind" is a wee-tawd like yourself would figure a vipec would manage all of these matters for me.

Go slap yourself, you may see it all more clearly...I dont wrench, I go to work, make some money and pay a guy who's job it is to wrench stuff...

Your confusion stems from the fact that you are confusing tuning my sled with reprogramming the vipec...or is it that you just want to take issue with this unit? Maybe they are the be-all end-all, maybe they aren't. What do I know? Like I said, I bought one...I just buy the stuff. Felix will be working on my sleds, tuning and fixing **** that breaks or needs tweeking...

sounds to me like you are taking issue with the HM claims of their vipec.

I still strongly recommend you...slap yourself...repeatedly

Your profile says your 41, is that a misprint?? Cause you sound like your 16... All he wanted to know is what was gonna be tunned smart@ss

And Precision EFI thanking this guys posts Jeezus grow up

 

[dmaxd2500]

Yet another good turbo thread flushed down the chitter.