Help! M1000 bog at 6900 to 7400

[M1000Mod162]

The tube coming out of the ecu is where this all started. It pluged up the first time it started acting up. I went up and it wouldnt run past 6000 with out leaning it down like -10 on all the 3000 and 5000 settings! I posted it on here and was told to check the tube which was full of ice. I dried it out and cleared the tube and came back up and it wasnt doing what it did before but since it has had this bog that it has now.

I have swapped the ecu out with a good one to make sure myn didnt get damaged and the bog was still there with the other ecu!

I also swapped out the pipe sensor with a good one and that didnt fix it either.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

either way it sounds to rich in that area, try taking some fuel away just to see what happens.

 

[Arctic Thunder]

You are adjusting your fuel numbers so what do you have for you box numbers now.

I know 2-3 points in one direction or the other is the difference between running and running like crap.

Thunder

 

[M1000Mod162]

These are the most recent numbers there way diffrent from what i normally ran but there getting close. Do these look similar to yours! Would you please post your numbers!

I also checked fuel pressure and it is right about 44. Which is spot on if im correct.

numbers are
3000 -2/-2/0
5000 -2/-2/0
6500 -1/-1/0
7200 -1/2/5
7500 4/7/25
7800 4/7/25

 

[WyoBoy1000]

they are within a few points of mine except on top

7500 H-13
7800 H-15

But I am also running 51psi F/P

 

[M1000Mod162]

they are within a few points of mine except on top

7500 H-13
7800 H-15

But I am also running 51psi F/P

What is your numbers for your 6500 and 7200

 

[WyoBoy1000]

3 0/0/0
5 -2/-3/-2
65 -3/-6/0
72 0/9/2
75 0/6/13 +1
78 0/8/14 +1

I have a slight bog off bottom I think it needs more fuel. due to the bdx intake.

Full slp pipe, bdx intake, bdx oil delete(only APV oil) 51psi F/P (plus or minus 2psi)gauges can be off about 2psi from what I've found. all the recommended slp clutching plus shift assist.

Last time out I had -1/-1/-2 at 3000 and put to zero and bog almost went away, just didn't play with it much. and my clutching is setup for 5-8k and I was riding at 10,000+ so I throw in a SW green/white 140/290 compared to stock Yelow/white 122/285 and it got me in the 76-7700 rpm range and way snappier off bottom.

I always adjust the top few numbers a little to get my egt temps to hit right around 1150 and hold. these last numbers may have been a tiny bit fat on top was only peaking about 1141 on egts and usually get them to hold at 1157.

Running non ethanol 91 octane from the pump.

 

[Arctic Thunder]

07 M1000
BMP Y pipe, BMP Can
No other mods. Pretty much stock
49psi fuel pressure with BMP adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
RPM Low,Mid,Hi
3000 0,0,0
5000 0,0,0
6500 0,2,4
7200 2,4,6
7500 2,4,8
7800 2,6,8

Again I am adding in about 4 points starting at 6000rpm until the PV's open.

Runs well, holding right at 1150-1200.

Thunder

 

[KingJ]

Mid range bog

I am going to throw something at you that might sound like I am swinging for left field although I was experencing the same problem with a couple different 1000's. Are you still running the eya plugs the sleds come with, because it you are throw the the hell away. Put a br9es in. The plugs cured 95% of my problem on all three sleds with little adjustments made the the bdx. Cheep and wroth a shot.

 

[M1000Mod162]

what is the difference between the two plugs? Seems logical to me Im willing to try anything at this point.

 

[Arctic Thunder]

I am going to throw something at you that might sound like I am swinging for left field although I was experencing the same problem with a couple different 1000's. Are you still running the eya plugs the sleds come with, because it you are throw the the hell away. Put a br9es in. The plugs cured 95% of my problem on all three sleds with little adjustments made the the bdx. Cheep and wroth a shot.

I am running the br9eya's. like M1000MOD162 said "what the difference"

Looking at the NGK web site the a is for special design. What the heck is that!

You are suggesting the standard es for the 19mm thread reach and the standard 2.5mm dia with standard center electrode. VS the "V" Groove center electrode.

Worth a try.

Thunder

 

[M1000Mod162]

Well I swapped out the stator and that didnt fix it!

I tried the Br9es and it didnt seem to fix it Either it got a little better but still there. This is getting so frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will everyone who is running a 2007 m1000 (with out reflash) with a pipe and intake or any other mods and fuel pressure at stock please post your bd numbers!!! Im curious to where everyone else is with there good running sleds with mods. Im mostly intrested in the 6500 and 7200 ranges.

Maybe someone with these mods and bdx valve deletes? That would really be sweet!

I just really want to have my good running sled back before the deep snow gets here!

Thanks in Advance Guys!! and thank all of you that have replied with info this far!

 

[Arctic Thunder]

Well I swapped out the stator and that didnt fix it!

I tried the Br9es and it didnt seem to fix it Either it got a little better but still there. This is getting so frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will everyone who is running a 2007 m1000 (with out reflash) with a pipe and intake or any other mods and fuel pressure at stock please post your bd numbers!!! Im curious to where everyone else is with there good running sleds with mods. Im mostly intrested in the 6500 and 7200 ranges.

Maybe someone with these mods and bdx valve deletes? That would really be sweet!

I just really want to have my good running sled back before the deep snow gets here!

Thanks in Advance Guys!! and thank all of you that have replied with info this far!

Have you done a compression check on it?

I have seen where a cylinder will run then drop out due to ring failure, flaking, or other compression problems. Might pull the Y pipe off and take a look.

Thunder

 

[WyoBoy1000]

have you lowered your numbers to get egts up yet.

 

[Team Pigeon]

I keep reading about fuel pressures as I have been having the same problems on my 08 M1000.

My mag side 'typically' cuts out, from overfueling. Egts drop right out.
This started to occur before the late great 09 re-map. But got worse after that said re-map.

Swapped out many ECUs, wiring harnesses, pipe sensors, air temp sensors etc etc. Pretty much all the way leaned out on my Attitude box. Put the stock pipe back on at the end of last season, it seemed to run a bit better. Put everything stock back on, no change. That right jug would still drop out. Had about 43 psi stock on my in-line gauge I plumbed in.


Plumbed in a BDX / Turbosmart regulator, slowly dialed down to 38psi the other day. Richened total full pull mode & WOT mode. Cruise and accel modes are still on fast flash. A/F runs 15 to 12.5 on cruise green mode. It occasionally gets down to 10.5 but that's not very often. I get 12.5 on WOT. EGT's run high 1100's, Low 1200's.

Clutching also seems to be wonky since the re-map last season.
42-36 cutler twist spring convert. Red white OR kitty green. Middle hole preload.
Cutler adj. 75-85G set @ 75. (Used to run with about 78G last season)
new rock rollers.
046 belt
59-61 gearing
RPM won't go past 7450 / 7500 if I'm lucky.
Roooooping at about 6500 feet.


I can only get my one cylinder to drop out when I'm wicking the throttle to get through gnarly sections. Seems to happen right around when the power valves open up but it doesn't happen often. Anyhow it's more like when you gotta slow down, dodge a tree, turn, speed up turn more cause you over turned, then let off then bog, then wick twice then MAYBE get out of the snafu you got yourself into 'cause you watched some burandt on youtube the night before.

Soo back to fuel pressure, how low have people gone? I been reading about all sorts of pressure. 38, 42, 44, 49, 53, etc etc etc. Not too sure what to think of it all. I'm not grasping why people would have to go up in pressure for non-turbo applications

Anybody got anymore tips? Glady appreciated.
Good thread on the go too. Sorry to hijack.

 

[black swan]

so what was the final conclusion? what was the fix?

 

[M1000Mod162]

well I still have not fixed it yet for sure. The sled finally stopped running! Sled lost its spark so i checked the coils and three out of the four coils tested bad and the other was acting funny according to the tests so I went ahead and ordered four new ones and they should be here tommorow so i will be putting it together and hopefully that will be the end of the bog issue. Im really hoping anyway! does this seem resonable?

 

[swahili]

reading all this with alot of interest to the outcome, I have an M7 that is boggin and dropping temp on the mag side. driving me nuts. Had my coil tested, no fault but who knows. Keep us informed.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

well I still have not fixed it yet for sure. The sled finally stopped running! Sled lost its spark so i checked the coils and three out of the four coils tested bad and the other was acting funny according to the tests so I went ahead and ordered four new ones and they should be here tommorow so i will be putting it together and hopefully that will be the end of the bog issue. Im really hoping anyway! does this seem resonable?

Sounds to me like its very possible that is your problem, let us know.

As far as dropping fuel pressure, most people do it because some of the fuel control boxes wont take away fuel so you lower your F/P and then add with the fuel controller. I think dropping fuel is the wrong way to go as it can reduce atomization of your fuel.
The best thing to do( I think ) is get a power commander then you can actually tune all across the board, and run your F/P somewhere close to stock.

 

[M1000Mod162]

Well i got the 4 new coils on and guess what? STILL NO SPARK!
So now it only leaves the wiring harness to be bad! I have checked everything else out and its all working so i will be ordering a new harness! I will let you all know if this fixes it! Any thoughts?