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Greeenwater grooming PI-- POOORR

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cat600x2

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:rant:UN know I read a lot of bitches on here and about to start my own been riding up here steady the last 10 15 years and today was the worst I've ever seen it ! I don't know how the h-ll R&R grooming gets away with it but they do a piss poor job up here its in their back yard but yet can' seem to do the job they are contracted to do.We haven't had a lot of snow to groom in dec and jan an when we do have snow they sit on there butts or on vacation sledding, Don't wanna here im broke down heard it to many times they used all the excuses. If U cant do the job let someone else do it. That groomer hasn't moved in days by the pile of snow on it.Mad my grooming dollars are being robbed.And I'll bet im not the only one complaining! I'll stop now but have a lot more to say.
 
Dont worry all the groomer suporter will be all over this thread , saying they ran out of money and we need to raise the cost to put tabs on your sled , even with no snow for the last 4 months!!!! but we are out om money ......... I forgot to tell you if yyou want to ride groomed trails at G/W you have to go on thursday night !!
 
Sat morning was groomed nicely. Seen the groomer at the first gate with the cab up at 7:30 am. Seen it sitting at the 20mph turn after miles of piss pounding whoops.
 
Cross country skiers pay $80 for thier snow park permit needed at stampede. They increased thier fees several years ago so they have lots and lots of grooming funds and they even fund trail work in the summer they have so much $$.
 
I didn't have that much of a problem?

I have to be honest it wasn't that bad? I rode it before grooming on Thursday and it was bumpy and had trees across.

Saturday was much better. I think the sleds tear the trail up quickly. Its only good for so many sleds and then it sucks again.

The ride in on Saturday was much better than the ride out.

I don't know what they are supposed to do differently?


My comment is there is only a small area groomed, no grooming past the meadows or Pyramid side yet.
 
cat600x2 said:
:rant:UN know I read a lot of bitches on here and about to start my own been riding up here steady the last 10 15 years and today was the worst I've ever seen it ! I don't know how the h-ll R&R grooming gets away with it but they do a piss poor job up here its in their back yard but yet can' seem to do the job they are contracted to do.We haven't had a lot of snow to groom in dec and jan an when we do have snow they sit on there butts or on vacation sledding, Don't wanna here im broke down heard it to many times they used all the excuses. If U cant do the job let someone else do it. That groomer hasn't moved in days by the pile of snow on it.Mad my grooming dollars are being robbed.And I'll bet im not the only one complaining! I'll stop now but have a lot more to say.
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You just have to be up there early like we gassed up at 05:30 in enumclaw and thought we would be first up to snowpark (we wern't) grooming was good but since it is at lwr gate and warmer temps don't expect the 500 trucks that showed up all day (and sleds) not to tear up the grooming (and we did) and it was great for us.
 
Been riding since they put that bypass in and it sucked all the way down to Naches, ill pay 100$ per sled in tabs if we could get some grooming.
 
grooming was great at greenwater Saturday, it was beat all to hell by sat afternoon, thinking they don't groom Saturday night, that doesn't make it bad grooming just makes it bad timing IMO
 
Here we go again...

Alright... where do we start...

Grooming was done, as many stated, on Friday night so Saturday morning the trails would be good to go. If you got there early on Saturday you had it made, if you didn't well you were parked down the road a ways and you rode whoops in and it just got worse as the day goes on. If you expect the grooming to hold up in warm temps against a few hundred sleds, you would be mistaken.

No grooming was done on Saturday night as it was not scheduled to be done on Saturday night. As far as scheduling goes....well we are at 3 days a week to make it through the season and that is because grooming fund dollars are lower than ever. Grooming fund dollars come from your sled registration fees. This years registrations fund next years grooming and this year we are at an all time low for sleds registered so expect even less grooming next year unless people start registering their sleds now.

Now....if you want to be a part of the solution ask all your riding friends and even if they are not your friend "Have you registered your sled yet?". If you have more than one sled did you register all of them? I also urge you to attend a grooming meeting and you are in luck because the next one for Greenwater will be @ Clem's Enumclaw Powersports on March 3rd @ 7 PM.

Now for a little rant of my own....:rant:
If all you do is go riding and then get home to post your pictures and video and get on a forum somewhere and complain about how bad the trails were...well quit yer bitchin'!!

GET INVOLVED!! JOIN WSSA!! GO TO A GROOMING MEETING!! GET INFORMED!!

I know sitting behind a keyboard is way easier to do than to actually go out and try to effect a change. But if you are not involved than I honestly believe you have no right to complain!!

(rant off)

See YOU at the next grooming meeting!!
Ask for snowrider I will be there... WILL YOU??
 
snowrider_ps said:
I know sitting behind a keyboard is way easier to do than to actually go out and try to effect a change. But if you are not involved than I honestly believe you have no right to complain!!
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The money he removes from his wallet every year gives him that right.
What an ignorant statement.
I used to ride Greenwater a couple times per week, heck... I learned how to ride there in the late 80s and I also QUIT riding there because the grooming IS A JOKE there...
Always has been always will be with the way it's being run.

My brother and I were the ones who cut the "Trail" in right after the slide so that we could still ride up there, he was always at the meetings because he lives out there.
He got to know the rangers and you groomers very well.
He wasn't impressed.
You like to make sure Clem can have smooth trails to sell a sled on but you really couldn't give two chits about the rest of the riding public.
That place sucks for grooming, As bad as Baker even and Baker only has one way in with twice the riders.
Get your collective chit together and learn how to groom and pack snow so that it will set up and last.
Quit blaming your ineptness on funds, weather, or whatever lame excuse you find... Get some real equipment that packs the trail hard. The only time I ever saw your groomers on the snow is when they were broken down and THAT happened a lot.

NOW my rant is done...
 
Seems like there should be plenty of funding for grooming on a Saturday night with the late start in the season. What would they do if they had to start in November? Groom once a week?

Might have to come to the meeting so I can learn something about it.
 
I have been riding up in Greenwater and love the powder, I personally ride a Polaris and can get off the trail, maybe you should try a good sled. Not sure if you are a real rider or not, but do you bitch about everything??? Maybe you should try knitting, that way you can sit in a nice warm house and bitch that the wrong shows are on TV. The snow was awesome, don't blame the Groomer if you can't ride it is not his fault!!! My sport which I Love you take the good with the bad, I have only seen good up at Greenwater, but then again I am not a whiny baby!!!! If you want a nice flat surface take up Ice Skating and leave the riding to people who enjoy a challenge!!!
 
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