Good god, just legalize the **** already!!!

[knee deep in it]

You got some crappy friends.... Friends don't let friends smoke shwag! How do you know what the THC level of the homegrown was? You by chance live in Mexico during that time?...... lol

according to the site, the THC averaged under 1% at that time but the stuff we smoked was nowhere near average. I think we got high from hyperventiliting, not the THC.

A buddy once grew some on his farm, had 3 garbage bags full. It was ok for making brownies but it wa pretty rough stuff to smoke.

 

[Uller]

My father passed away a couple of years ago due to Esophageal Cancer (cancer of the throat). He was in chemo for 8 months prior to his departure. Due to the constricting of his throat he wasn't able to eat real food just about the entire time he was taking chemo. The doctors think this contributed to his steady decline in health because he didn't get enough nutrients to allow his body to cope with the chemo and fight the cancer. He was taking all the prescribed meds to help cope with the pain and other side effects of the cancer. Those really didn't help though.

I was finally able to convince him to smoke a little pot just 5 days prior to him passing away. He told me that it was the best he had felt since starting chemo and actually ate some solid food. Even ate a chocolate chip cookie.

You can argue with my opinion if you want but, I feel that had he been smoking since the beginning of chemo he would have had enough energy to fight the cancer and most likely would still be with us today. At the very least, his last days would have been much more enjoyable. Unfortunatly, he didn't want to break the law and didn't smoke while taking chemo. It caused him alot more pain and suffering because he didn't.

 

[Snow Fox]

You are plain and simple........... a JERK. Congrats you will be the 1st person to be on my ignore list. You have no interest in knowing anything from others. You are a simple minded instigator who gets a thrill out of creating a perceived superiority over others with your beliefs. There is nothing weaker in a person character!! Nothing. Your game of ambiguity regarding your sex and career are also symptom of weakness. You really should do some self reflection and worry about your own short comings.

So for me you serve no other purpose other that to irritate and agitate.
There are many many more people on here that I can converse with that are honest, open, sincere and interesting. And that is what I intend to do.

Bye BEEEAAAOOOCCCHHHH!!!!!!!

Hey Justadueche, thanks for the compliment................

Just a question, What do you do in the real world when your not on a "forum"? How do you ignore the people that you may have issues with in your real life? Do you hide under your bed or run away from all of your problems. Grow a spine and be a man, don't act like a second grader out on the playground that had his favorite ball taken away..........:e

How in the he ll can you get irritated or agitated on an internet forum? My god, get a life and stop taking things so personally..............

Oh, and did I mention that I have no shortcomings..............

 

[justadude]

AAAAAAAAHHHHHH The ingnore funtion is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!

 

[maluchm]

My father passed away a couple of years ago due to Esophageal Cancer (cancer of the throat). He was in chemo for 8 months prior to his departure. Due to the constricting of his throat he wasn't able to eat real food just about the entire time he was taking chemo. The doctors think this contributed to his steady decline in health because he didn't get enough nutrients to allow his body to cope with the chemo and fight the cancer. He was taking all the prescribed meds to help cope with the pain and other side effects of the cancer. Those really didn't help though.

I was finally able to convince him to smoke a little pot just 5 days prior to him passing away. He told me that it was the best he had felt since starting chemo and actually ate some solid food. Even ate a chocolate chip cookie.

You can argue with my opinion if you want but, I feel that had he been smoking since the beginning of chemo he would have had enough energy to fight the cancer and most likely would still be with us today. At the very least, his last days would have been much more enjoyable. Unfortunatly, he didn't want to break the law and didn't smoke while taking chemo. It caused him alot more pain and suffering because he didn't.

Uller.... I am very sorry to hear about your dad and I wish things would have worked out differently. I agree with your point of view whole heartedly as my dad just had a bought with Esophageal Cancer not to mention my girlfriend who is back in remission from leukemia. MARIJUANA HELPS!!!!

 

[yammadog]

hey Dale, did you know that ignore only works on the original post and that quotes show up?....LOL...see below....just for you....

You know, snow fox is welcome to his opinion no matter how ignorant it may be, who knows maybe he will get some edgumakation by getting into discussions here on the 4m and change his mind........then again maybe not and we can just enjoy being smarter than someone else....

Hey Justadueche, thanks for the compliment................

Just a question, What do you do in the real world when your not on a "forum"? How do you ignore the people that you may have issues with in your real life? Do you hide under your bed or run away from all of your problems. Grow a spine and be a man, don't act like a second grader out on the playground that had his favorite ball taken away..........:e

How in the he ll can you get irritated or agitated on an internet forum? My god, get a life and stop taking things so personally..............

Oh, and did I mention that I have no shortcomings..............

 

[justadude]

You bastard!!!!

hey Dale, did you know that ignore only works on the original post and that quotes show up?....LOL...see below....just for you....

You know, snow fox is welcome to his opinion no matter how ignorant it may be, who knows maybe he will get some edgumakation by getting into discussions here on the 4m and change his mind........then again maybe not and we can just enjoy being smarter than someone else....

 

[Bubba700]

Just a note when doing research on things if its from a an org. or isn't published in a med. Journal dont take the things at full face value not saying they are wrong just question the source much more in those instance since orgs always have an agenda that they are trying to push.
Just a point is if the weed was .5 to 1% it doesn't have a high enough THC to get a person stoned of normal intake. ( less than 1% is the levels of THC that is fowned in Marijuana's cousin hemp) In order to get high smoking weed with that percentage of THC you would have to increase your usage 4 to 5 times of what a person smoking low grade weed would have to smoke to get the same effects.
My take on higher grade weed is this, Doesn't that mean you have to use less of it to get the same effect? Cuts down on smoking. And also don't we have alcohols that also have different amounts of alcohol content in them? We can mirror the distribution of more potent weed to how we distribute beer, liquor and other "Adult" Beverages.
Im looking at an article for my research paper that is compairing this exact subject. And the numbers that they got for the ThC content in the 70s averaged between 2-5% With the highest being 14%. Comparing that to a recent study in the netherlands the highest grade bud that was available their in 07 was 23% and was considered rare. Even with those numbers we haven't even doubled the most potent thc content of the 70s.

Thanks for the insight, we are both a little off but I do stand corrected.

when I grew up, we smoked homegrown which had a THC level of less than 1/2 of 1 %. Today, the levels are between 7.5% and 24% ( http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm ) .

Basic math is that todays' pot is at least 15 to 50 times as strong as I grew up with.

If it was legalized, then more people would try it. This may seem strange but some people respect the law or are afraid fo the consequences of getting arrested. The laws do act as a restraint on drug use for some people.

 

[POLZIN]

Hey bubba here's a side note for your paper ! I do belive it is a fact that the Anheiser -Busch co. Is one of the largest contributors to the anti-drug lobby yet they sell alcohol at theme parks for kids ! And how may beer vendors do you see at Disneyland ? The hypocracy is overwhelming!

 

[Ollie]

If anyone has spent any time on this forum they know I am a VERY conservative person as a whole.

However, even I would advocate the legalization of weed.
Just regulate it like booze and tax the sh!t out of it.
I would gladly pay 10 dollars for a pack.

 

[pernikm]

Pot isn't a physically addictive drug, this is a fact.

I've known cops who smoke, conservatives who smoke, and as someone mentioned, our new president elect has smoked. So if the 'stoners' in your dorm didn't graduate for a reason I'd like to know what it was, since obviously pot doesn't prevent anyone from success.

I don't smoke myself, much prefer a beer at the end of the day, but I don't judge those that do. I also think legalization would be financially beneficial, wether there would be social benefits or problems can only be determined by legalization and time.

I don't know anyone's motivation for getting high, but it could just be because they enjoy it, not to escape their problems or life. I don't drink to forget my day, I just like the taste of beer. I also don't ride the mountains because it allows me to forget my life...I just enjoy busting pow with my buddies.

Maybe we can quit the name calling and go back to a civil discussion?



Oh ya, sign your neg rep

No, but it is psychologically addictive, which is also a proven fact. Ok, acid test time. Let's all buy our children some pot so they can be cool in school. What? What? Maybe we can start a pot smoking club in our schools so we can all go to the event and cheer our kids on! Bad idea? I thought so....

Karl

 

[icr]

No, but it is psychologically addictive, which is also a proven fact. Ok, acid test time. Let's all buy our children some pot so they can be cool in school. What? What? Maybe we can start a pot smoking club in our schools so we can all go to the event and cheer our kids on! Bad idea? I thought so....

Karl

Let's buy them a bottle of jack daniels for their 8th birthday too! Wait, what? Same idea? Yeah I thought so....

Chocolate is also psychologically addictive...are you protesting that?

 

[Bubba700]

No, but it is psychologically addictive, which is also a proven fact. Ok, acid test time. Let's all buy our children some pot so they can be cool in school. What? What? Maybe we can start a pot smoking club in our schools so we can all go to the event and cheer our kids on! Bad idea? I thought so....

Karl

Pretty piss poor argument bud, we are talking about legalizing it and regulating similar to tobaco and alcohol. If we use your line of thought then that means we would have to lower the drinking age. Is that what you want? In what we are saying their would be an age limit on it just like the other 2. Nice attempt though.

 

[pernikm]

Pretty piss poor argument bud, we are talking about legalizing it and regulating similar to tobaco and alcohol. If we use your line of thought then that means we would have to lower the drinking age. Is that what you want? In what we are saying their would be an age limit on it just like the other 2. Nice attempt though.

I thought we were discussing pot. I would not use one vise to defend another. If one is so proud of pot use, lets all smoke pot in front of our children just like we get drunk in front of our children.

 

[Bubba700]

I thought we were discussing pot. I would not use one vise to defend another. If one is so proud of pot use, lets all smoke pot in front of our children just like we get drunk in front of our children.

Its pretty apparent that from what you just said you have no idea what has been discussed in the entire thread. If you wanna contribute something might be a good idea to go back and read everything that has been discussed then comment so that you dont make really idiodic looking comment like the one ^^^^^^^^. You say you don't want to use one vise to defend another yet you use an analogy that uses one vice to slam the other one. I believe thats a bit of a double standard. You can't have one and not the other. Most of the people ( including me) that are for leagalizing don't even smoke. But if you look at the statisics and we drop billions..... O wait most of that has already been discussed go back and read it.

 

[pernikm]

You forget alcohol has another use. It tastes good. It works well with food etc. There is only one use for pot. When one uses alcohol as a drug one will faces the same consequences. I will not argue that alot of money is spent fighting drugs. I am saying as a parent who went through hell and ultimately had a marriage fail because of it, it is worth the cost. Rehab is $10,000/month on the cheap side. A few cents extra taxes for drug interdiction is well worth it. Everyone here that is pro drug makes the argument that drugs are not that bad. Well I know differently. They have a real cost to society in terms of accidents, lost productivity, theft, unemployment etc. Our jails are not only filled with drug users. They are filled with people with emotional troubles that grabbed the wrong tool to deal with them. As a result, they got caught stealing, dealing, murdering, assulting, etc. Almost all crimes are drug related. Double standard? You bet. Everyone has the liquor cabinet. As soon as pot is leagalized are you installing your walk in humidor? I bet not. I bet it still gets hidden in s small box in the closet. Clearly society has a clear division of what is acceptable and not.

We certainly do drop billions on drug wars. We also drop billions on social programs, defense, social security, and NASA. Are they worth it? I say certainly.

Your cost arguement falls on the deaf ears of a man who who saved the life of his ex wife four times from alchol poisoning. A process that started with pot 20 years ago. So don't give me any bullsh!t that I didn't read the ramblings in a snowest forum. I walked one hell of a walk...amateur....

 

[Bubba700]

You forget alcohol has another use. It tastes good. It works well with food etc. There is only one use for pot. When one uses alcohol as a drug one will faces the same consequences. I will not argue that alot of money is spent fighting drugs. I am saying as a parent who went through hell and ultimately had a marriage fail because of it, it is worth the cost. Rehab is $10,000/month on the cheap side. A few cents extra taxes for drug interdiction is well worth it. Everyone here that is pro drug makes the argument that drugs are not that bad. Well I know differently. They have a real cost to society in terms of accidents, lost productivity, theft, unemployment etc. Our jails are not only filled with drug users. They are filled with people with emotional troubles that grabbed the wrong tool to deal with them. As a result, they got caught stealing, dealing, murdering, assulting, etc. Almost all crimes are drug related. Double standard? You bet. Everyone has the liquor cabinet. As soon as pot is leagalized are you installing your walk in humidor? I bet not. I bet it still gets hidden in s small box in the closet. Clearly society has a clear division of what is acceptable and not.

We certainly do drop billions on drug wars. We also drop billions on social programs, defense, social security, and NASA. Are they worth it? I say certainly.

Your cost arguement falls on the deaf ears of a man who who saved the life of his ex wife four times from alchol poisoning. A process that started with pot 20 years ago. So don't give me any bullsh!t that I didn't read the ramblings in a snowest forum. I walked one hell of a walk...amateur....

First off that sucks about the problem with Alcohol Poisoning. But all of the argument that you made above can be used against why alcohol should be illegal also. You say a beer taste good well people would argue with that a good drag off a joint may taste good to them. That argument is based on a persons perspective. But to say that Weeds is a gateway drug is a blatent misconseption. It does nothing to change the brain to want another drug or sustance on a physical level. Can it be psycoligically addictive? Sure can, but if we banned everything that falls into that catagory then we wouldn't be able to sled would we? If you would take a more open perspective on it instead of being closed minded you would see the benefits of legalizing it and trust me there are more for it than against it. Think about the fact that much like alcohol it has age, quality, and distribution restrictions. What is better going to a regulated store and making a purchase that is legal or rolling to a drug house where you don't know if you are buying stuff that has been laced? And as far as calling me an ameture, watched family members die of alcoholism, good friends do time for possesion and dealing that I couldn't do anything about to help them. So don't be so quick to pass judgment. It shows your in your 40s I would think you would be past the phase in life of name calling.

 

[icr]

Your cost arguement falls on the deaf ears of a man who who saved the life of his ex wife four times from alchol poisoning. A process that started with pot 20 years ago.

I never knew smoking pot led to alcohol poisoning. Thanks for that insight.

 

[Ollie]

"Well I know differently. They have a real cost to society in terms of accidents, lost productivity, theft, unemployment etc. Our jails are not only filled with drug users. They are filled with people with emotional troubles that grabbed the wrong tool to deal with them. As a result, they got caught stealing, dealing, murdering, assulting, etc. Almost all crimes are drug related. Double standard?"

If you substitute booze for the drugs in that statement it would also be true.
Do we then return to proabition?
Just because you smoke doesn't mean you are a drug addict any more than just because you have a couple beers makes you a screaming alcholic.

Weed isn't addictive, unlike booze.
I have NEVER heard or read anything about someone smoking a joint, getting pizzed and shooting someone or beating their wives. I have heard (and seen) them smoke a joint or two and order WAY too many pizzas. Wouldn't it be nice if we could make the same above statement about booze.

 

[Blu Du]

you can sure tell who are pot heads on the 4m