Get your **** together wa.

[greenskeeper]

boy I dont know how many years this issue has gone on, each year the same thing comes up, we have raised the license fee only once that I can remember and that may have helped for a short time,,,,I think we need to help more with overseeing the way the funds are used in each grooming area,,, the cost of owning and operating a groomer has gone thru the roof, I feel most of the groomers I know take a real interest in how they use the funds and how long they can run,,,,,they are not in this business to go broke, thoes things cost big bucks and operating them is not free,,,,,,we need to raise our fees for licensing and weneed to see that all the sled operating are licensed,,,,,I see many sled operating out of cabins and other areas that have not been licensed in years ,,,,but they use our groomed trails .......this is my 40th year in riding and every sled I put on the snow has a license....my .02...

 

[daviking]

Friday night/Saterday night groom

I have gone up there on a monday and it was groomed? I have no problem ponying up my fair share and pretty sure all the guys who ride with me would too.We just want to know that our money is just going to baker and for days that most ride.Yesterday was terrible and I am paying for it in my shoulders,Its cheaper to pay cash.

 

[SLED2SHRED]

I have been riding since 1992. And in those years it seemed that Baker never got the attention that I have seen down in the southern snoparks. I know more people ride down there but when the conditions prevail or in late spring people ride Baker or other northern spots. Years ago I remember a questionaire and I marked it for Baker and Bearpaw but never really seen any difference in grooming in those spots. It is an issue that needs futher consideration to accomidate useage.

 

[shmuckaluck]

Stop stealing my money!

Hey guys,
There is one thing we do not need to do and thats steal more of my money for higher licence fee's. maybee we should be a little smarter about when we groom the trails. I have seen grooming being done in the middle of the week, thats just stupid. we all like to ride on groomed trails, but maybee we can cut down on the number of times the trails are being groomed in a month. Lets just take more of the short cuts there way more fun anyway. and maybee we should concentrate on the snow parks were you have to ride farther in, to be honest some of the snow parks up in the snowqualmie area don't even need to be groomed very often, because you are at the top in about 5 min, especially if you know the short cuts.

 

[SLED2SHRED]

Posted speed limits and throttle control for a smooth steady pace would definately help.

 

[Duvall Dean]

how bout a 10-15 dollar trail pass like Revy does. Golfers pay greens
fees, bowlers pay for a lane, skiers pay through the nose for a lift
ticket, to do anything costs money and all we do is put gas in our tank
and expect to ride for free. To get to be able to do what WE do for only
10-15 bucks.................we should be so lucky.

think about it ............. that aint much for a day of riding.........

The Mayor, DD

 

[Loudisfast]

Ok, 10 more bucks at the park to go ridin wouldn't hurt to bad. as long as it stays away from state control because them thievin bast*rds will rip us off.

 

[badapple]

how bout a 10-15 dollar trail pass like Revy does. Golfers pay greens
fees, bowlers pay for a lane, skiers pay through the nose for a lift
ticket, to do anything costs money and all we do is put gas in our tank
and expect to ride for free. To get to be able to do what WE do for only
10-15 bucks.................we should be so lucky.

think about it ............. that aint much for a day of riding.........

The Mayor, DD

Perfect idea! Now who's in charge of overseeing the fund and how they get used. Iv tried to contact the groomer again this morn to get more info on exactly how much each groom cost? Does any one know the cost of running the groomer? What other options are out there for groomers?

 

[nikeholley]

How to get involved..??.

So how do we be proactive, get involved in the organization of our sport and effect a positive change..??..

I bet many of us are interested and willing, but don't know how to help..!!..

 

[Soccerd6]

So how do we be proactive, get involved in the organization of our sport and effect a positive change..??..

I bet many of us are interested and willing, but don't know how to help..!!..

Randy is part of NW Glacier Cruisers.... he attends monthly meetings, grooming is discussed (although the club is not "in charge of" the grooming). Next mtg is this Thursday, Mar 5 at the Alfy's in Burlington.... I hear there are many leadership positions open for next year....

Join WSSA - meeting to discuss grooming was early February - both Randy and Mr Prez were in attendance....

there's more to supporting our sport than registering our sleds....

 

[justadude]

5-10 bucks a sled. like BC does it. Not popular but effective.

If the grooming has run out of money this year, they always will. This is the lamest year I can remember, except 05. I don't think raising the licence fee will work. We need to charge a user fee at the snoparks. I think that would generate more money for the sport, and I think it should be privately managed. Not state managed at all. Also it would fund the parks that get used the most. I appreciate all of the hard work people do for our sport. But, I think it is a failing system. This year proves it. Last year, I can understand running out of funds, but not this year. If I had to guess, not knowing the facts. There are more snomobiles registerd than ever this year, fuel is cheaper than it has been in years, and the snowfall is the second worst I've seen, ever! It isn't adding up. -00's

 

[sunbather1969]

more money

you're all talking more money and i don't know what the budget is and how its dispursed am i the only one or are all of you trusting our states way there system works.does everyone get a certain percentage.i would just be happy if the states web site actually reported the grooming and reports whose job is this,imo theres alot of problems with the system.if the site had grooming reports kept up i could at least have an idea where to go

 

[prox18]

you're all talking more money and i don't know what the budget is and how its dispursed am i the only one or are all of you trusting our states way there system works.does everyone get a certain percentage.i would just be happy if the states web site actually reported the grooming and reports whose job is this,imo theres alot of problems with the system.if the site had grooming reports kept up i could at least have an idea where to go

The WA state parks dept had a schedule posted on their site and unless broke down or act of nature the guys have been sticking to it prety close from what I've seen throught the state (2600 miles this year so far).The bigest flaw in the schedule is it is made or was made before the season, not always a bad thing either.As far as the dispursal of funds that is set by the parks dept also,what noone seems to rember is that the baker area is not the only area in the state or in the area of this groomer for that mater(though it has grown in popularity since grooming was started there,I've been riding there since 82 and there was no grooming then)
I personaly think that the guys in the groomers are doing a fantastic job and it is way better than it was in the late 70's or early 80's when there was no grooming.As far as the speed limits go I don't want any other than reasonable and prudent,haulin grass is a lot of why I still ride sleds at all.
What would help is getting our fuel tax $$ from the sleds,I know we do get some,yeah right do the math and a large potrtion of the $$ is not in the system as they claim.With these funds the program could be extended a lot.
You can only please 1/2 the people 1/2 of the time and now we had better get used to the bumps.

 

[hughesfoundation]

OK here we go again.....there is a post above letting you know where and when to get involved. If you don't want to spend your time you can give your money. The solution is going to take more money and more people getting involved.

 

[SLED2SHRED]

Its not hard to find other posts of Washington trails that say the groomed trails were great. It just goes to show a lot of money goes down south due to population density but Baker ( A snopark in the northern section of the state snopark map) is a special exception that attracts people from all over the state. Last Friday was a prime example.

 

[Mt-Adams]

Its not hard to find other posts of Washington trails that say the groomed trails were great. It just goes to show a lot of money goes down south due to population density but Baker is a special exception that attracts people from all over the state. Last Friday was a prime example.

It`s the middle of the state not the south.....

 

[sunbather1969]

true

very true mt adams not the south

 

[JETJOHNSO]

2 zeros is wrong,

the sled registrations are actually down this year which will affect gromming next year. And for the record, any license fee increase would go directly into our snowmobile budget not the state budget. Some of you dont get it, THE STATE GETS NO MONEY FROM OUR SNOWMOBILE program. We "PAY TO PLAY"" , sure we have to pay state parks to manage our program but thats a full time job that is directly connected to our snowmobiles. MOST OF OUR MONEY GOES ON THE SNOW. Didnt mean to get everyone side tracked but everyone need's to know the facts. Gregwhore gets NONE of our snowmobile money, It goes directly into the snowmbile account.

 

[badapple]

Well i got to experience the carnage first hand The trail leading up the mountain is horrible to say the least. And iv ridden some bumpy trail's...last year late season I havent been able to contact the groomer yet, I get the feeling he doesnt want to groom(hasnt returned any of my msgs) I was hoping to get more feedback from all the people who use the schrieber snow park. At 20$ a head from 100 heads thats 2000$$. Now since i havent yet found out what it cost to run the groomer per day, im just guessing the 2000$$ would go along wayAm i wrong?? Personally i had planned to ride as long as there's enough snow. But today's ride has me re-thinking that. If you use or plan to use the schrieber snow park would you be willing to donate 20$ to put towards getting the trail groomed a few more times. The money could be collected by the groomer himself or someone from the NW glacier cruiser's. All donations being accounted for w/an written receipt and written account of what the money is being used for,fuel,labor etc... Im just thinking outside the box here. Bickering over where all the money from the licensing went, well its a little late for that

 

[Comp 670]

I don't think $2000 would groom more then 2 or 3 times.Those things are expensive to run.Remember,his time starts when he leaves where ever it is kept.Then it has to be trucked up there,unloaded,do the grooming,load back up and head home.I would bet they get over $100 per hr so it could be a $800 to $1000 day each time they groom.

The trail was not that bad to me this weekend.I have seen it soooooo much worse.I would still ride there if it was never groomed.

I would also pay $10 or $15 each ride like in revy to have it groomed everyday....I wish it was done this way,then you pay for the place you ride.