Funny Story

[flying pig]

Heres a little something to get you guys thinkin on a sunday morning. A 200 hp Apex will make about the same torque as a stock Polaris 800. Now make sure you think about this before you get your pantys in a bunch.

could see it, one's turning about 11k @200hp and the other is turning 8k @200hp. The one turning 8k is damn near a third more torque. My motor is a perfect example of this, 136 ft lbs of torque, 204hp. 8/11= .72, .72 x 136=97.92 ft lbs out of that particular thumper. Which is actually right on par with an 800 twin. I just did some rough numbers and a thumper needs to make 280 hp to make the same torque as my triple, so whats that about 12-13 psi of boost?

 

[longhairfreak]

could see it, one's turning about 11k @200hp and the other is turning 8k @200hp. The one turning 8k is damn near a third more torque. My motor is a perfect example of this, 136 ft lbs of torque, 204hp. 8/11= .72, .72 x 136=97.92 ft lbs out of that particular thumper. Which is actually right on par with an 800 twin. I just did some rough numbers and a thumper needs to make 280 hp to make the same torque as my triple, so whats that about 12-13 psi of boost?

What rpm do you run your triple to get 204 hp and 136 ft lbs of torque.

 

[GayWussy]

Hey Papsmeargeek why don't you actually go to the mountains with your POS "hillclimber" and try to climb a hill. The Yamahas would *****slap ya like the old hoar you really are. Don't run around and try to pick on the weak ones either.Try to find the ones running the big stuff and let the arskickin commence.

 

[GayWussy]

LHF's wedge.

Hahahaha. Reminds me of a skittles commercial.

 

[flying pig]

what rpm do you run your triple to get 204 hp and 136 ft lbs of torque.

8150, what does your twin put out? Should be close to the same or?

 

[longhairfreak]

8150, what does your twin put out? Should be close to the same or?

I never dynoed it but based on what Art did to it im thinking 200 HP and 135 ft. lbs of torque at 78-7900. One thing I do know is a 450 hp turbo Apex will lay a lickin on me.

 

[longhairfreak]

Hey Papsmeargeek why don't you actually go to the mountains with your POS "hillclimber" and try to climb a hill. The Yamahas would *****slap ya like the old hoar you really are. Don't run around and try to pick on the weak ones either.Try to find the ones running the big stuff and let the arskickin commence.

What is a weak one? 300 hp.

 

[flying pig]

I never dynoed it but based on what Art did to it im thinking 200 HP and 135 ft. lbs of torque at 78-7900. One thing I do know is a 450 hp turbo Apex will lay a lickin on me.

Yes but it should! Assuming your sled weighs what probably 420 you clearly have the weight advantage, plus your chassis is likely specialized to more or less climb, you should be in the running with them up to at least 300hp though especially in the deep and really steep. After that the HP makes up for the weight. Now a high dollar lightweight apex that has been set up with an m-10 and all the right parts is a different story altogether, even at 10-12 pounds I've been beat by them, 15-16 pounds and I'm not even in the ballpark. But a stock chassis apex at 10-12 is pretty easy prey. My sleds kinda a pig though too, so just speaking for myself.

 

[longhairfreak]

At least you have an idea about the chassis. Its nice to see someone have an understanding. Most people on here think 300 4 stroke hp and look out. Theres more to the game than that and these people need to understand that. My sled was built with one thing in mind. DEEP snow. Dick hard snow is for well you know what.

 

[flying pig]

At least you have an idea about the chassis. Its nice to see someone have an understanding. Most people on here think 300 4 stroke hp and look out. Theres more to the game than that and these people need to understand that. My sled was built with one thing in mind. DEEP snow. Dick hard snow is for well you know what.

LOL yup thats why they call it hero! Its taken a couple of years, but I'd like to think I'm starting to get it now...

 

[poorider]

still think the m 10 is the biggest p.o.s. on snow?
What you are forgetting is that the yammy's have a gear reduction before the clutch. Yes, the motor puts out less torque at the same horsepower, but much of that torque is regained by the time it reaches the primary due to the gear reduction.

 

[longhairfreak]

still think the m 10 is the biggest p.o.s. on snow?
What you are forgetting is that the yammy's have a gear reduction before the clutch. Yes, the motor puts out less torque at the same horsepower, but much of that torque is regained by the time it reaches the primary due to the gear reduction.

They sure are a nice trail skid. Am I missing something here? You lose power through your drive train.

 

[flying pig]

still think the m 10 is the biggest p.o.s. on snow?
What you are forgetting is that the yammy's have a gear reduction before the clutch. Yes, the motor puts out less torque at the same horsepower, but much of that torque is regained by the time it reaches the primary due to the gear reduction.

perhaps, I'm just stating what I've seen first hand. My buddies Alpine apex was professionally built and set up with a full mod chassis and lightweight everything, he has more trakc than me and he himself is about 40 pounds lighter than me. He beats me everywhere at 12 pounds of boost, we have been very close at 10. I haven't seen a stock chassis apex that will give mine fits in the steep and deep YET. When I do I'll modestly admit it, as I always do. The numbers I was throwing have been pretty accurate to what I've seen on the hill, with the exception of a few 809s that I've ridden with that are absolute freaks of nature, you need fairly high boost to beat a well set up two stroke at 200 hp. Those 809s are freakin amazing though, although very very well set up. The 1200 will get that good yet, been learning lots lately. I'm sure LHF's 1160 is already there.

 

[longhairfreak]

perhaps, I'm just stating what I've seen first hand. My buddies Alpine apex was professionally built and set up with a full mod chassis and lightweight everything, he has more trakc than me and he himself is about 40 pounds lighter than me. He beats me everywhere at 12 pounds of boost, we have been very close at 10. I haven't seen a stock chassis apex that will give mine fits in the steep and deep YET. When I do I'll modestly admit it, as I always do. The numbers I was throwing have been pretty accurate to what I've seen on the hill, with the exception of a few 809s that I've ridden with that are absolute freaks of nature, you need fairly high boost to beat a well set up two stroke at 200 hp. Those 809s are freakin amazing though, although very very well set up. The 1200 will get that good yet, been learning lots lately. I'm sure LHF's 1160 is already there.

Havent you learned yet Never say you can beat a Yamaha on Snowest. Your in trouble now. LMFAO!

 

[poorider]

Flying pig, no worries, I wan't directing my post at you (should have specified), I think you're a good guy and I've never seen you post anything that wasn't honest.
My point was that the torque comparison is not as cut and dried as lhf thinks it is. Yeah, you lose power through the drivetrain I think everybody knows that. Yeah, horsepower is a calculation based on torque at different rpms. If you take a 200 horsepower engine spinning at 11k and then reduce the rpm through gearing you lose a bit of power in drag etc but you actually gain torque due to the lower rpm.
Not that I'm defending yamaha by any means I still prefer 2 stroke power.
The reason the 200 horse 2 smoke will outpull the 200 horse 4 stroke is usually due more to the weight difference than anything, I would say it has very little to do with torque.
It's beside the point anyway, who in their right mind spends the money on a turbo for there yammy that only has 200 hp? Far as I know the stage 1's are more like 240-260?Originally lhf you were called out for claiming to roast turbo yammys all day and you twisted it into this stupid 200 h.p. debate.

 

[longhairfreak]

Here I will put this turbo Yamaha thing in perspective for you Poo. A 280 hp turbo Yamaha has about the same torque as me and my sled is 200 lbs lighter and I think im being generous at that. How much weight would the Yamaha have to lose to beat me in a drag race?

 

[BigFish BC]

LHF's wedge.

yes that is blewbyus sled,like i said differnt color.so now you want to compare your full mod to a stock chassi yammi turbo why not a full mod yammi.the only thing stock on your sled is the bulkhead plus iam sure it worth a fair bit of money too.iam 100% sure your sled is a riot to ride ,that light with that power would be fun just different fun than a full mod yammi.

 

[scmurs]

LHF,

As a wise man once told me: "There is no "I" in team, but there is in dickhead."

Is this another post that you are getting your jollies from? I suppose this will end up being the replacement to the "Does anyone know Ted" thread.

I'm happy for you.

BTW, go away.

scmurs

 

[sledheadd]

LHF,

As a wise man once told me: "There is no "I" in team, but there is in dickhead."

Is this another post that you are getting your jollies from? I suppose this will end up being the replacement to the "Does anyone know Ted" thread.

I'm happy for you.

BTW, go away.

scmurs

LMFAO

lhf I'll play your game. 1 TNytro 560 lbs with 10.5 gallons of feul.
Dry weight just under 500 lbs. Setup for the steep and deep.
At what hp do you think you could compete at ?

 

[poorider]

Here I will put this turbo Yamaha thing in perspective for you Poo. A 280 hp turbo Yamaha has about the same torque as me and my sled is 200 lbs lighter and I think im being generous at that. How much weight would the Yamaha have to lose to beat me in a drag race?

Drag race? I thought you were the one to point out we were talking about powder?
I have tried to explain this to you twice now but you still don't seem to get it so I will type slower this time so you can keep up. You are quoting ENGINE horsepower and torque numbers. The torque entering the clutch in a yamaha is greater than the torque produced by the motor. This is because of the gear reduction between the crank and the clutch. THE CLUTCH SEES HIGHER TORQUE THAN THE MOTOR PRODUCES!!!!!!!So no, you are wrong, you don't need 280 horse in the yamaha to have the same torque as your 200 horse twin. If you still don't understand/believe that then do a track dyno test on an apex with the same peak horsepower as your 2 stroke. You will find the yammy to have higher torque numbers than a stock 800 2 stroke I promise (at the track where it matters!!!)