Fox Evols on Pro
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C'mon Chris it's time to pull the trigger. I see your vids and I know how you guys are riding up in Tony's. You need a Pro with Evol's on it.
I don't want to cap on the Zbroz because I've ridden them and they do feel good, but the level of adjustment is just not there. Why would you go with something that feels good but you are limited on most adjustments without sending in to the factory, when you could be on something that you can adjust yourself, any minute of any day in a matter of a minute or two.
Plus I know of someone that will have a front Evol-X set and rear Evol-R set for sale at the end of the season for a substantial discount
I don't want to cap on the Zbroz because I've ridden them and they do feel good, but the level of adjustment is just not there. Why would you go with something that feels good but you are limited on most adjustments without sending in to the factory, when you could be on something that you can adjust yourself, any minute of any day in a matter of a minute or two.
Plus I know of someone that will have a front Evol-X set and rear Evol-R set for sale at the end of the season for a substantial discount
C'mon Chris it's time to pull the trigger. I see your vids and I know how you guys are riding up in Tony's. You need a Pro with Evol's on it.
I don't want to cap on the Zbroz because I've ridden them and they do feel good, but the level of adjustment is just not there. Why would you go with something that feels good but you are limited on most adjustments without sending in to the factory, when you could be on something that you can adjust yourself, any minute of any day in a matter of a minute or two.
Plus I know of someone that will have a front Evol-X set and rear Evol-R set for sale at the end of the season for a substantial discount
Thank you for costing me $1500 next season!
Hahahaha...Your welcome!
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green_denali
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M8Chris, yeah they cost alot, but their worth every penny. Even if their not dialed in, there still WAY better than stock shocks, but after you have dialed them in, you will never want to go back to a lesser quality shock.
C'mon Chris it's time to pull the trigger. I see your vids and I know how you guys are riding up in Tony's. You need a Pro with Evol's on it.
I don't want to cap on the Zbroz because I've ridden them and they do feel good, but the level of adjustment is just not there. Why would you go with something that feels good but you are limited on most adjustments without sending in to the factory, when you could be on something that you can adjust yourself, any minute of any day in a matter of a minute or two.
Plus I know of someone that will have a front Evol-X set and rear Evol-R set for sale at the end of the season for a substantial discount
This is a friendly debate and I'm not bashing the Fox Floats. But adding air to a shock is a very primitive simple way to adjust. The Exits do have compression adjustment and you can adjust the preload w/o sending them back to Zbroz (pull the clip and adjust). You can also order different stage of springs to make changes there. My X1's have three stages of springs (three different types of spring on one arm). So there is a ton of adjustment. You do have to send them back to re-valve or make oil changes.
Edit: The Fox Floats are easier to tune out in the field as you are simply using the pump that comes with it.
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Once you've experienced this system done right and setup to choice there is actually very little changing of air pressures. I put a trail twist on my rebound clickers and then when I get done with the ryhthm section on the trail it's a simple few clicks back on each side to the way I like it for free riding. Pretty darn cool and the effort is simply walking around your sled and twisting a knob. The trick is getting things just right with your various air settings and knowing what each clicker setting feels like. There is nothing at all primative about this...it's the highest tech setup known to man.
Remember you can set your ride height....two air chambers...and how your shocks return to neutral with the rebound clicker...even more on the X as you can set your compression dampening as well. All specific to each riders and vehicle mass. Way beyond most people so that is the primary reason the R is such a great product for what we do. Timing your front and rear suspension is difficult but really really important.
Remember you can set your ride height....two air chambers...and how your shocks return to neutral with the rebound clicker...even more on the X as you can set your compression dampening as well. All specific to each riders and vehicle mass. Way beyond most people so that is the primary reason the R is such a great product for what we do. Timing your front and rear suspension is difficult but really really important.
There are many reasons why I would suggest the Evol's over the Zbroz. When you look at the facts, the evols (x's) have 5 adjustments while the zbroz have 2. Then when you really think about it, pre-load is not even truly what I would consider an adjustment. It is just a standard for setting a sag preference, but is more based off of correct initial spring rate and not to be "cranked down" like many do. Also if you did want to change things on the Zbroz you have to buy new springs = down time and more $$.
The Fox set up allows you to set your intial sag to any amount that one would desire. Also you can then set your compression settings high speed (big impacts) and low speed (stutter bumps). While the zbroz only has an intermediate compression setting that does not focus or care about what type of bump you are hitting which will result in more feedback to the riders body.
Also you can pump your Evol chamber up on the Fox's to make the shock ramp up more or less while going through its travel. The zbroz don't have anything like this. Why is this useful? Well say you are gonna go out and do some jumping one day. Instead of sending your shocks in a week ahead of time just grab your pump and throw a few psi in your Evol chamber, your body will thank you for this.
Now we move on to rebound. I'd consider it one of the most important adjustments for people that jump, huck, smash, or just plain ride hard. Being able to adjust your rebound can save your butt in a hurry and prevent you from not being bucked. On the Evols it is as simple as turning a knob with your hand, while the zbroz are not available with this option.
Now I can go on and on all day about many more things; weight savings, how dual or triple rate springs cannot achieve a true progressive non variable rate curve, blah blah blah.
All in all they are both great sets of shocks, it all depends on what you are looking for, how much money you want to spend, if you care about weight, etc. No matter what, you will see an improvement over stock with either of these aftermarket options.
I went with a set of Fox Evolx on my dragon along with z-broz arms, and this must be one of the best mods I have ever done.
I am new to all the features on this shock, but I have it set up pretty good now and love it! But as mentioned, the best thing is how easy adjustments are made!
I have limited time on the new chassis and the shocks are better than the previous walker airs....but still not comparable with the Evolx.
I went with Fox over exits, and I would do it again, but thats just my opinion.
I am new to all the features on this shock, but I have it set up pretty good now and love it! But as mentioned, the best thing is how easy adjustments are made!
I have limited time on the new chassis and the shocks are better than the previous walker airs....but still not comparable with the Evolx.
I went with Fox over exits, and I would do it again, but thats just my opinion.
Just for discussion purposes...
All of this sounds great if you are pushing the Float, but what about the comparison between air and oil? You can't possibly tell me that an air filled shock is more consistent and as stable (less pressure changes) as oil. There is compression adjustment with the Zbroz. You do have to send the Exit in for fine adjustment but that adjustment is more precise than putting air in a chamber.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think you will go wrong with the Evol shock. It's lighter and much better than the WE's. But...you really don't know what you're missing until you have the Exits on. - IMO
When comparing air and oil in the snowmobile realm the same factors do not come into play as with other motorsports. The one thing that makes air a downfall in other applications (DH mountain bikes, dirt bikes, baja trucks, etc.) is heat. Obviously with sleds these shocks never overheat so nothing is compromised performance wise. Take how many snocross racers use Evol's with no issue what-so-ever for example. I know for a fact that there is no mtn rider in the world working their shocks as much as in a snocross race.
This is not to say that the air shocks never loose a few psi's over the course of the winter. I ride about 2500 mi a year and need to put a few psi in my shocks twice a season at most! Thats like 5 mins total time. On the other hand I know of plenty of coil over's that I've ridden that just feel plain clapped. What is your option when you need your coils shocks freshened up...send them in somewhere and pay for shipping/recharging/etc. plus downtime. I'd rather take two mins once or twice a year, add a few psi's and be good to go.
I'm not sure what you mean here, could you explain?:
"You do have to send the Exit in for fine adjustment but that adjustment is more precise than putting air in a chamber."
Also just to clarify I'm not writing this with no experience on Zbroz. I have ridden an 08 and 09 Dragon 800 with Exit X1's, and yes they feel good, very similar to the walkers on the Assault.
All in all the proof is in the facts:
Fox Evol-X's:
Compression: 2 stage
High speed compression: on the fly
Low speed compression: on the fly
Pre-load: on the fly
Rebound: on the fly
Bottom out resistance: on the fly
Zbroz exit x1's:
Compression: 1 stage on the fly
High speed compression: N/A
Low speed compression: N/A
Pre-load: on the fly
Rebound:Send back in to the factory
Bottom out resistance: N/A
Unless youre going with the evol X, save your money. They aren't any better performing than the stock walkers and the only benefit is the weight savings.
I've had every version of the floats and they all fall short when compared to the z-broz, I would suggest x1's up front and x0/x1 in the rear.
I've had every version of the floats and they all fall short when compared to the z-broz, I would suggest x1's up front and x0/x1 in the rear.
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Huh? X1's are adjustable. You can't tell me that the rebound in an air shock is better than coil overs. Sounds like you are comparing the Evol X's and not the R's too. The price of the X's are about $400 more than I paid for X1's.
The one thing fox proponents fail to mention is that ride height and spring rate are tied to one another, you can't for instance lower the ride height without making the spring rate ridiculously soft.
I've had the more expensive EVOL X's on my M8, and to be honest with you they weren't much better than the EVOL R's that were on before them.
FWIW, even the exit shocks fall miserably short when compared to the factory prep Ohlins I've got on my Duc.
I've had the more expensive EVOL X's on my M8, and to be honest with you they weren't much better than the EVOL R's that were on before them.
FWIW, even the exit shocks fall miserably short when compared to the factory prep Ohlins I've got on my Duc.
REAR SHOCKS
I have a 800 PRO 163, I weigh about 220 before gear, I am an aggressive boondocker but not a big time jumper, I do not like the way the stock rear shocks bottom out on the rough trails. What would be the best bang for the buck?
I have looked at the Holtz upgrade and the Evols, their is about $300.00 diff between them. Has anyone tried the upgrade on the PRO ?
I have a 800 PRO 163, I weigh about 220 before gear, I am an aggressive boondocker but not a big time jumper, I do not like the way the stock rear shocks bottom out on the rough trails. What would be the best bang for the buck?
I have looked at the Holtz upgrade and the Evols, their is about $300.00 diff between them. Has anyone tried the upgrade on the PRO ?
I am leaning toward the Holtz upgrade, (the revalve and piggy back)for my style of ridding , has any one else done this? if so, did it take care of the bottoming issue? I even thought about trying the bigger spring from Polaris
but was worried about the rebound and making the sled ride to rough.
Any thoughts ?
Could you explain why you would want your ride height lowered? I'm just confused as to the benefit.
Oh and you can lower your air pressure for more sag and just increase your compression or another option is to increase the amount of air in the Evol chamber which will create a more drastic progression curve (makes it ramp up faster and resist bottoming out) . Just to clarify that is only on the Evol models.
The reason you would want to lower ride height is to achieve the proper sag (on a mtn machine) on a snow cross or high performance trail sled there would be many more reasons to lower the ride height.
And yes you can increase sag on the sled and just boost the pressure in the EVOL chamber. What your left with is a sled that feels like it is riding on marshmallows until it bottoms out hard. As soon a you soften the spring rate enough, the rate of compression quickly exceeds the EVOL chambers ability to control the shock.
