For Those Who Ride the Colockum...

[justabry13]

The DNR is holding a meeting this Thursday in Wenatchee to discuss how to recreate the Naneum Ridge State Forest which includes a huge chunk of the area we use between the microwave towers and the Colockum Wildlife Area. The Wenatchee Mountains Coalition head guy is of course trying to get some of the land set aside for non-motorized use. The link for the article in the Wenatchee World is below. I will be at this meeting and I think anyone else who lives close and rides up there should be too. We need to show our numbers and not let any more land get taken away from us. Have a great day!!!!

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2012/apr/23/dnr-begins-recreation-planning-for-naneum-forest/

 

[blindman]

good luck with this stuff

nice article by Robs, personal, one sided, media propaganda biitch

 

[yammadog]

nice article by Robs, personal, one sided, media propaganda biitch

Maybe he owns that paper.....he's such a tool...kharma will sling shot back at him someday....

 

[4Z]

How many folks on snow shoes are going to hit the high elevation areas, after work during the week? Depending upon where they launch, that is alot of work to get that much altitude..... especially when the days are short in the winter and they want to hit it after work? WTF? If there are folks that can bang out a hike like that, they are few.

 

[WMC]

Actually several of the prominent exec types and many solid citizens and families of Wenatchee use the areas surrounding Mission Ridge ski area. It is a short drive to the Mission Ridge lot then start touring. It was not that long ago that few snomos went into much of these accessible for skiers/ snowshoe hiker areas. Yea, you all should make a concerted and profane attack on anyone who wants to park their car for a nice hike from the MR lot with the family or with grandma. Yea, you all need to fight and scratch for every square inch- sharing with the rest of us? Like this- http://www.turns-all-year.com/skiing_snowboarding/trip_reports/index.php?topic=24569.0

Just got a report of sharing up there this week. Two middle aged women and their elderly moms were walking on snowshoes. They related that some riders came up and yelled "out of the way" as they just pinned it to pass closely this group of women. Those snowshoers just need to learn to share properly and stay out of your way. Really tough to let off of a throttle to avoid some elderly women on snowshoes perhaps?

There is room for us all, plenty for your version of snowmobile recreation and some for quiet muscle-powered recreation.

 

[mc2stroke]

Just got a report of sharing up there this week. Two middle aged women and their elderly moms were walking on snowshoes. They related that some riders came up and yelled "out of the way" as they just pinned it to pass closely this group of women. Those snowshoers just need to learn to share properly and stay out of your way. Really tough to let off of a throttle to avoid some elderly women on snowshoes perhaps?

This sounds like your typical lies and false propaganda, but why would you lie or skew the truth in any way as you have zero personal agenda and are not biased in anyway. Oh yeah, just to spell it out that was sarcasm

I do not know one snowmobiler that would act the way you have mentioned above.

I will move on now as this is 3 minutes of my life I will never get back.

 

[blindman]

Re: Mission Ridge snowpack damage from snowmobiles
« Reply #27 on: Today at 02:16:39 PM »
Just terrible spoiling that area.... I commiserate with you Mission guys.
If that was Crystal we would find out who they were and they wouldn't do it again. Little bit of vigilante justice needed IMHO.

This sort of selfish behavior is akin IMHO to you TAYers who insist upon skinning up Crystal , on open runs, on busy days and not giving a flying **** about the paying guests.

Last year 3 TAYers skinned up the middle of Rolling Knowls on a busy Saturday.
A few weeks ago, a couple of TAYers were skinning up under the gondi chair near Upper Bowl and setting a nasty traverse track below skiers dropping in from above...on a busy day. I have no doubt they felt themselves entitled to do so...pricks!

These resort skinning TAYers are a terrible example of public outreach by the TAY community towards resort skiers to paraphrase Toddy.

No snowmobiles in closed ski areas and no goddamn skinning TAYers on runs in open ski areas.

 

[blindman]

frickin selfish lawbrakers!!!

damn, and I thought us sledders were the only selfish ones....

of course there is always ..Bob

 

[blindman]

SO here we go again

pretty disappointed in the acts of a few sledders ruining it for the rest of us....


i can see the point though.....................that those guys are making hitting mission!!

in my opinion the more crap from the enviros and riding areas that are taken away..the more, and i mean lot more of this will happen.

you all can thank rob in the the wenatchee mountains coalition private self jerking club that he has.

 

[rmk2112]

Lets not let this thread turn into pissing match.........They did this, they did that so we'll keep not doing what we should because they did and so on and so on and so on. Its so counter productive.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting anyone for any one particular post. This is a very hot topic which evokes a lot of emotion and frustration for the entire sledding community. I just want to try and turn this thread around and try to use the great info in the starting post in a constructive, sled community unifying way.

..................No snowmobiles in closed ski areas and no skinning on runs in open ski areas.

I'm in complete agreement on that one!

 

[blindman]

lmao

clueless as usual

 

[rmk2112]

clueless as usual

No,
clueless is complaining, without offering a solution......
clueless is addressing a important situation with a "he said, she said", name calling, teenage mentality......
clueless is instigating anger and decent when a great opportunity to help unify is present........

Can we get back to important post that justabry13 kindly shared and see how many people we can get to that meeting to represent our sport?

 

[WMC]

This sounds like your typical lies and false propaganda, but why would you lie or skew the truth in any way as you have zero personal agenda and are not biased in anyway. Oh yeah, just to spell it out that was sarcasm

I do not know one snowmobiler that would act the way you have mentioned above.

I will move on now as this is 3 minutes of my life I will never get back.

I agree that I do not know any (expletives) who would do that. All of the snowmobile riders that I meet are regular folks and good folks. But we get these reports of (expletives) riding behavior, and some (expletives) seem to spout off on this forum as well...

Industry numbers place active, regular snowshoe and backcountry ski recreationalists in WA state at nearly 100,000 regular users of a total of 500,000 who may use the offroad Forest for those activities. That would compare to less than 33,000 registered snowmobiles.

We have great mountains to provide recreation for all of us. There is room for great snowmobile riding areas as well as muscle-powered winter recreation areas. Sad to see such ineffective oppositional defiance from a group that will just keep losing. Recognizing the Forest recreational uses of others and interacting as adult citizens perhaps would be useful.

 

[PowderMiner]

Snowmobiling is a great adventure sport and Washington State is an exceptionally good place to partake in the wonderful adventure of winter recreation upon a snowmobile. We are extremely fortunate that the great people managing our forest ensure we have ample opportunities to get out and experience nature during the magical winter season. Please keep up the good work!

Now The Truth...
Where do they get off saying the snow pack is low?
Upper wheeler – 99% avg
Blewett – 106% avg
Grouse Camp – 152% avg
Through Tell 205% avg

Do not needlessly close quality desirable snowmobile terrain and we will be less likely to ride in conflict areas.

An easy fix would be to open some of the desirable area that is less likely traveled by non-motorized folks to snowmobile travel or have a swap campaign? You know mitigate the wilderness by gaining in areas not likely used for motorized and opening like sized areas of high value motorized. Heck, give me 1000 acres primo and you can have 2,000 acres of the other. But as it is some of the best is off limits to sleds and very desirable with no good access to even the fringe.

I mean come on you say it yourself; 33k sledders and 100k non. I hardly ever see the non, and never in the deep back country. And always remember you can go on ours too, but we can’t go on most of yours??? Do we have 33% of the area when looking at it holistically? (It refers to the good stuff)

Snowmobilers are people too.

 

[yammadog]

I agree that I do not know any (expletives) who would do that. All of the snowmobile riders that I meet are regular folks and good folks. But we get these reports of (expletives) riding behavior, and some (expletives) seem to spout off on this forum as well...

Industry numbers place active, regular snowshoe and backcountry ski recreationalists in WA state at nearly 100,000 regular users of a total of 500,000 who may use the offroad Forest for those activities. That would compare to less than 33,000 registered snowmobiles.

We have great mountains to provide recreation for all of us. There is room for great snowmobile riding areas as well as muscle-powered winter recreation areas. Sad to see such ineffective oppositional defiance from a group that will just keep losing. Recognizing the Forest recreational uses of others and interacting as adult citizens perhaps would be useful.

Hey Rob...get the fackt out of here you f ing tool.....you are only an enemy in this forum....you are full of crap when you say anything about shared use. I'm done with you..stop wasting your time spewing your BS around here!!

 

[WMC]

The DNR is holding a meeting this Thursday in Wenatchee to discuss how to recreate the Naneum Ridge State Forest which includes a huge chunk of the area we use between the microwave towers and the Colockum Wildlife Area. The Wenatchee Mountains Coalition head guy is of course trying to get some of the land set aside for non-motorized use. The link for the article in the Wenatchee World is below. I will be at this meeting and I think anyone else who lives close and rides up there should be too. We need to show our numbers and not let any more land get taken away from us. Have a great day!!!!

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2012/apr/23/dnr-begins-recreation-planning-for-naneum-forest/

The areas used by skiers and snowshoers are along the boundary of the Mission Ridge Ski Area. Hugely important access for skiers and snowshoers, families, many prominent citizens. Access is direct from the Mission Ridge lot, 14 miles above Wenatchee. Compared to the 100x or more expanses of state land in the Colockum and the Naneum, not to mention all of the USFS land that snomos are on between Naneum and Blewett, these important areas used by skiers are quite small in comparison. As well, folks do know the history, it was not long ago that there was not so much snowmobile use as to displace the skiers in these key, accessible, family-friendly areas.

So instead of consideration and discussion, what? The same chest-beating superior-assuming strident oppositional defiance, self-centered, no others matter just your own use? Agreed that snowmobile riders are indeed citizens as well, but perhaps just in lock-step with defying everyone else. Perhaps some think that will stand. Why does WMC try to engage this community? Few want to deal with the level of communication thrown about here. But it would be a mistake to assume that many citizens, and prominent folks, shy away from their desire to use public lands for muscle-powered recreation.

Dialogue would be better, understanding of the other position. Instead of a group leaning on the wall in back and trying to appear ominous, let's hope for citizen involvement, interaction, and respect of others at the meetings.

 

[snojunkee]

a remedy

Snowmobiling is a great adventure sport and Washington State is an exceptionally good place to partake in the wonderful adventure of winter recreation upon a snowmobile. We are extremely fortunate that the great people managing our forest ensure we have ample opportunities to get out and experience nature during the magical winter season. Please keep up the good work!

Now The Truth...
Where do they get off saying the snow pack is low?
Upper wheeler – 99% avg
Blewett – 106% avg
Grouse Camp – 152% avg
Through Tell 205% avg

Do not needlessly close quality desirable snowmobile terrain and we will be less likely to ride in conflict areas.

An easy fix would be to open some of the desirable area that is less likely traveled by non-motorized folks to snowmobile travel or have a swap campaign? You know mitigate the wilderness by gaining in areas not likely used for motorized and opening like sized areas of high value motorized. Heck, give me 1000 acres primo and you can have 2,000 acres of the other. But as it is some of the best is off limits to sleds and very desirable with no good access to even the fringe.

I mean come on you say it yourself; 33k sledders and 100k non. I hardly ever see the non, and never in the deep back country. And always remember you can go on ours too, but we can’t go on most of yours??? Do we have 33% of the area when looking at it holistically? (It refers to the good stuff)

Snowmobilers are people too.

these are good ideas, and true facts. it would be real nice if we could all get along, and work on a true cure to this ongoing dillema.

It must depend on which side of the fence that you're on, I have personally seen more than a few violent actions by x country skiers on the dual use trails. I always slow my machine and move to the opposite side of the trail to avoid the unleashed dogs that some skiers take on the trail with them. I have had ski poles swung at me and profanities screamed at me so many times that now when I encounter non-motorized recreationalists I try to get off of the trail if at all possible.

My question is: WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SO ANGRY ALL THE TIME???

 

[WMC]

Is This Vandalism?

Is This Vandalism?

http://www.justgetout.net/Wenatchee/23375

 

[justabry13]

What a surprise...

The Wenatchee World just posted an article about the recent damage done by a few irresponsible snowmobilers. This of course unfortunately makes us all look bad based on the actions of just a few. And although I understand that they shouldn't have been in there, I'm still baffled by the World's one sided reporting and I am still waiting for a story to be published with the other side of the story. Does the WMC own this paper or what? A bit ridiculous. I hope all of you who can make it will be at this meeting Thursday. We need ya there.

 

[WMC]

The Wenatchee World just posted an article about the recent damage done by a few irresponsible snowmobilers. This of course unfortunately makes us all look bad based on the actions of just a few. And although I understand that they shouldn't have been in there, I'm still baffled by the World's one sided reporting and I am still waiting for a story to be published with the other side of the story. Does the WMC own this paper or what? A bit ridiculous. I hope all of you who can make it will be at this meeting Thursday. We need ya there.

Please explain the other side? Is it not that unlawful snowmobile riding occurred that had a significant impact on other citizens? As well, along the entire Wentchee Mountains unroaded crest accessible areas outside Wilderness include just 4 sections of land closed to snowmobiles, intended for muscle-powered use. And yeah, we ski in the Wilderness when we have time to go that far. But some areas are avoided because of the snowmobile traffic on both sides of the Wilderness Boundary. So the other side is...snowmobile riding should be all over the Forest, even remove Wilderness because...?

Industry numbers place active, regular snowshoe and backcountry ski recreationalists in WA state at nearly 100,000 regular users of a total of 500,000 who may use the offroad Forest for those activities. That would compare to less than 33,000 registered snowmobiles.

We have great mountains to provide recreation for all of us. There is room for great snowmobile riding areas as well as muscle-powered winter recreation areas.