At what point does the Government have too much say into your life? Where is your line in the sand? For me it is health care. What is yours?
For those that are for Government Healthcare
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CNN will tell me when, I just know it 
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BAAAas soon that they have any say in your life other thin the basic laws and the draft board thats for the feds. the state has a little more intrusion in are lives tho
The only people that want government health care are members of the House, the Senate and the President.
Were you under the opinion that there were actually regular citizens that want it?
There are illegal citizens that want it. And that is what matters to the big.......
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EagleRiverDee
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What should be bothering people is:
-Nothing in this bill reduces cost
-Nothing in this bill increases access
From what I'm hearing, the taxes go into effect ASAP but the changes to health care don't go into effect until 2014- meaning what this really is is a way to take wealth from the People and give it to the government to help defray the massive deficit we currently have.
What the government needs to do is butt out of any and all issues that can be handled by either the private sector or the states. That is what the Constitution states. Besides every time they meddle they make things worse- they passed the CARD act and what happened? Every credit card I have jacked their rates. Thanks, Congress.
-Nothing in this bill reduces cost
-Nothing in this bill increases access
From what I'm hearing, the taxes go into effect ASAP but the changes to health care don't go into effect until 2014- meaning what this really is is a way to take wealth from the People and give it to the government to help defray the massive deficit we currently have.
What the government needs to do is butt out of any and all issues that can be handled by either the private sector or the states. That is what the Constitution states. Besides every time they meddle they make things worse- they passed the CARD act and what happened? Every credit card I have jacked their rates. Thanks, Congress.
Me Too.....
I like good politcal debate as much as the next guy but the whole racist thing plays right into Leftardo's hand!!
There, I fixed it so it's not racist anymore. LMAO
The only problem with socialism, is eventually you run out of other people's money.
Its like the left has no working knowledge of history and how quickly these Utopian but naive ideals implode. These times parallel both the fall of Rome and Weimar Republic. When they come for your guns, give them the bullets first!
Don't they already get it?? I have watched people that spoke ZERO english with no medical coverage get treated at the ER while I got turned away (refused treatment!) because my injury was work related and claim wasn't open. I also have excellent insurance but that didn't matter. Of course my claim is handled by the state and has been a royal PITA for years. If L&I is any indication of how govt healthcare will be run, I am firmly against it.
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lucky13
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they have had to much intrusion for too long. it started in 1911 and went real bad in 1933, this administration is probubly going to see change just not the kind of change they want, the old saying you have awoken a sleeping giant
That would be 1974 when I had finally had enough. Swampy
QUOTE=BigRed118;2024295]At what point does the Government have too much say into your life? Where is your line in the sand? For me it is health care. What is yours?[/QUOTE]
QUOTE=BigRed118;2024295]At what point does the Government have too much say into your life? Where is your line in the sand? For me it is health care. What is yours?[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]That would be 1974 when I had finally had enough. Swampy
QUOTE=BigRed118;2024295]At what point does the Government have too much say into your life? Where is your line in the sand? For me it is health care. What is yours?
yeah me too!!!!
err uhhh wait i was only 1 yr old... ahh i was already fed up! whats up swampy my compatriot!!!!!!!
You know, the more I think about it, the more a single payer (government PAID, not run) system is prefered.
If we were to get away from employer paid insurance, which I think we should do, an interesting thing is going to happen. The healthy people will be able to afford health care, while the sick won't. Now who is the sick? Well, yah, poor people generally are more sick. But if insurance companies are able to asses an individual and charge them according to risk (like car insurance) is this something we will really want?
What about for generative diseases? Like breast cancer? Will they charge families / woman more because of family history? What about heart conditions? Diabetes. The amount paid in premiums and copays by some of these individuals is not greater then their costs.
What about children? Should we really restrict care to a child when the parents are not financially capable of getting insurance? Is it the childs fault? Should they be punished for their parents mistakes / ineptitude?
As to everyones examples of government systems that don't work.. They don't work because they are underfunded. The cost of the service to individuals provided by the government does not represent the true cost of the service to the government. Look at UPS vs USPS. I can get a package shipped across the country faster and cheaper using USPS. Why is this? Look at Medicare / Medicade, it is already in the red. Why, because they don't bring in enough money to cover the costs. Look at what they pay out to doctors. It is much lower then private insurance. Well, if you increased the payments out per service, and you don't have enough money coming in to already cover the costs, then all you are doing is making the deficit that much worse.
People love to bring up the inefficiency of the government and seem to draw the conclusion that private business / companies exibit no / little waste. I don't think that is the case. All large companies have large amounts of waste. Though being government run, you don't have to worry about making large profits / advertising, and do federal entities pay taxes? I don't think they do, so there is a large savings there also.
I like government out of my business and it definitely is too much in mine, but I think given the enormous expenses in today's health care industry that it is inhuman for people to go without the care that they need. Strong note, I am saying need, like need to live, urgent care, preventative care. We could get into an argument what that actually means, but it would mean a lot different things to everyone.
What are your thoughts? I am hoping for something a little more then the standard attacks...
If we were to get away from employer paid insurance, which I think we should do, an interesting thing is going to happen. The healthy people will be able to afford health care, while the sick won't. Now who is the sick? Well, yah, poor people generally are more sick. But if insurance companies are able to asses an individual and charge them according to risk (like car insurance) is this something we will really want?
What about for generative diseases? Like breast cancer? Will they charge families / woman more because of family history? What about heart conditions? Diabetes. The amount paid in premiums and copays by some of these individuals is not greater then their costs.
What about children? Should we really restrict care to a child when the parents are not financially capable of getting insurance? Is it the childs fault? Should they be punished for their parents mistakes / ineptitude?
As to everyones examples of government systems that don't work.. They don't work because they are underfunded. The cost of the service to individuals provided by the government does not represent the true cost of the service to the government. Look at UPS vs USPS. I can get a package shipped across the country faster and cheaper using USPS. Why is this? Look at Medicare / Medicade, it is already in the red. Why, because they don't bring in enough money to cover the costs. Look at what they pay out to doctors. It is much lower then private insurance. Well, if you increased the payments out per service, and you don't have enough money coming in to already cover the costs, then all you are doing is making the deficit that much worse.
People love to bring up the inefficiency of the government and seem to draw the conclusion that private business / companies exibit no / little waste. I don't think that is the case. All large companies have large amounts of waste. Though being government run, you don't have to worry about making large profits / advertising, and do federal entities pay taxes? I don't think they do, so there is a large savings there also.
I like government out of my business and it definitely is too much in mine, but I think given the enormous expenses in today's health care industry that it is inhuman for people to go without the care that they need. Strong note, I am saying need, like need to live, urgent care, preventative care. We could get into an argument what that actually means, but it would mean a lot different things to everyone.
What are your thoughts? I am hoping for something a little more then the standard attacks...
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snowmobiler
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i want my free healthcare right now,since im not working.just incase i crash my new sled.thanks everybody
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