Finally ran it against an Etec!

[RKT]

RKT- I hear what you're saying, however, I think comparisons in deeper snow would bring out even more variables.....track design, suspension setup, exact clutching setup (with different clutch systems), exacerbate any differences in rider weight and style, yada yada. I think you end up making HP comparison much more difficult, to be honest.

I think for comparing straight power (at the track) this was a reasonably fair real-world comparo. The only way to accurately compare true engine power (at the crank) is on an engine dyno...otherwise there will always be too many variables.

I thought about drawing a line in the snow and using it as a point for a rolling-start race, to try and take some of the traction variable away....get lined up and cruising along at X speed, then whack it at the line. But that's starting to be a stretch....it is what it is. Either sled could edge the other with minor HP and/or clutch mods I'm sure.

Jay.. agreed!! Great points!!

But, when it comes down to it... We NEED the sled to get higher on the hill.. correct? Or to NOT get stuck in the deep ON THE HILL!..

So, at the end of the day.. it is really not so much about HP at all.. now is it?? It is about which design performs better in the STEEP and DEEP!! and THAT, my friend, is an entire different subject and one that will never realize a common consensus....

So, all this HP talk is really not very useful if the lower rated HP sled gets HIGHER on the hill..... LOL... as for racing... again.. many variables that make up those results....

What is important to me is which sled performs better in the DEEP Idaho Powder.... for others, this may not be important at all...

Kelsey

 

[gman086]

The sky is NOT blue...

Correct, what we see is simply the result of the atmosphere absorbing the other spectrum colors so that the resultant light wavelengths coming thru make it appear blue.

Have FUN!

G MAN

 

[snowmobiler]

try a 174 track,pipes or nos next time and it might highmark a doo.

 

[Jaynelson]

Jay.. agreed!! Great points!!

But, when it comes down to it... We NEED the sled to get higher on the hill.. correct? Or to NOT get stuck in the deep ON THE HILL!..

So, at the end of the day.. it is really not so much about HP at all.. now is it?? It is about which design performs better in the STEEP and DEEP!! and THAT, my friend, is an entire different subject and one that will never realize a common consensus....

So, all this HP talk is really not very useful if the lower rated HP sled gets HIGHER on the hill..... LOL... as for racing... again.. many variables that make up those results....

What is important to me is which sled performs better in the DEEP Idaho Powder.... for others, this may not be important at all...

Kelsey

Totally....if I had my bag, I'd ride nothing but 3 feet fresh everytime. Some guys live for it, but spring riding is always kinda meh for me.

 

[Rick!]

RKT, did you ever sort out your Pro enough to test your torque line head and the rest of your clutching ideas? Judging by the for sale ad on your site, looks like you put some mileage on it. I remember this was a good topic until somebody threw some poop in the fan.

 

[RKT]

RKT, did you ever sort out your Pro enough to test your torque line head and the rest of your clutching ideas? Judging by the for sale ad on your site, looks like you put some mileage on it. I remember this was a good topic until somebody threw some poop in the fan.

Yes, the clutching is working great as is the head.. Testing continues still.. But so, far, happy with the results... Look for a big bore for next year

 

[snowmobiler]

i just realized you guys are serious.i thought this was one of those long track vs short track joke threads.oops

 

[sledneck_03]

If you compare Sq footprint the 163 x 15 is about the same as the 154 x 16. Scientifically, I've always wondered which is best. I've heard the 16 wide is a slower track, but it is also a heavier track I believe. In the snow, is it fair to compare a 163 x 15 to a 154 x 16? I'm not trying to be an antagonist, I really would like to know.

is it fair they have been using the 154 x 16" wide track having the surface area of a 15 x 163" for years? Because they have marked it that way so i would say yes its the same, because there is the same amount of track on the ground.

 

[AdrenalineAddict]

I always get a charge out of the old belief that a drag race tells you nothing about how a sled will perform on the mountain. For the last 30 years when mountain equipped sleds of similar weight decide to have a friendly drag race across a high lake, 9 times out of 10 the sled that kicked azz across the lake will also put the highmark on the mountain. We are only now (2011) seeing a shift in what I've witnessed my entire life, relatively weak motored sleds weighing 30 to 40 Lbs. less putting the highmark on the hill. All things considered they are a wee bit boring to ride (lack of mid-range pull), but considering the price of gas and how I do like to climb mountains, I decided to jump on the bandwagon. "TAKE IT SLOW AND GET HIGH" will have to be my new motto.

 

[F-Bomb]

AA
People that don't like to have a friendly drag race are people that HAVE SLOW SLEDS!

My PRO flat out RIPS. Uphill... downhill... and across the flats. I guess I only need 140hp! wink wink

It is significantly faster then my super famous buddies MOVIE Doo FREE RIDE in drag racing. Has been since day one...even when he re-built...re-clutched...re-canned...THEN RETIRED! BRap

 

[woodzy]

So are you saying HP mod shops are a thing of the past since HP doesn't matter? Oh wait, RKT aren't you a HP shop?

 

[Xrider]

It is significantly faster

That's BS. Your sled MIGHT be a "little" faster. I ride an 09 xp and I haven't seen a Pro yet that was "significantly" faster, in fact I haven't seen one faster at all. I have clutching and a can, that's it. I guess your example of one xp could be true....lot's of variables but let's not get carried away.

 

[WyoPro]

It's that time of year, so I threw on my Comp track for the 11 Assault, there isn't anybody that can keep up with me in the parking lot now....dorks

 

[AndrettiDog]

That's BS. Your sled MIGHT be a "little" faster. I ride an 09 xp and I haven't seen a Pro yet that was "significantly" faster, in fact I haven't seen one faster at all. I have clutching and a can, that's it. I guess your example of one xp could be true....lot's of variables but let's not get carried away.

Maybe he is "crazy" faster then. Or how about a "hair" faster. I like, "just" faster. What difference does it make. He is just stating that he was faster.

 

[05900]

Whatever.....my ole 900 is "lots" faster than an E-tec or an XP and "way" faster than a Pro!! Must be some sort of "crazy" fast!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe it's just me?

 

[WyoPro]

Whatever.....my ole 900 is "lots" faster than an E-tec or an XP and "way" faster than a Pro!! Must be some sort of "crazy" fast!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe it's just me?

Now that's just rude.

 

[05900]

..............Wanna Race?..............................

 

[snopro_ac]

..............Wanna Race?..............................

sure!!, nothing else to do until next winter

 

[AdrenalineAddict]

I also witnessed something very interesting on the mountain today I wish I could have got on the video camera. We had a 154 e-tec with a 160 lbs. rider and a 155 Pro with a 190 lbs. rider, it was early morning and both had full tanks of gas. They lined up and made a pull up a slope off Lamoille Lake that gets steeper and steeper as you go. Pretty even to 200' then the Pro started pulling away pretty handily as the slope became steeper, the e-tec eventually turned out (got stuck) and the Pro continued to climb approximately 150' higher than the Doo. Needless to say, I was very surprised in the outcome considering the Pro had a rider with a 30 lbs. handicap. I haven't witnessed a hardpack uphill drag between the two sleds, but in the steep and deep the Pro really shined.

 

[F-Bomb]

AA you need the Liquid Image goggle cam system that I have. I've gotten all kinds of video to support my statements.

I've become the king of video...hard for your loser buddy's to fish story everything when it's CAUGHT ON FILM!

it ALWAYS goes a bit like this....

"OK pay attention because right here is where I was TOTALLY KICKING YOUR A$$...(fast forward some more) and right here is where I was looking back MOCKING YOU ..Yep that's you....YOU"RE THE LITTLE SPEC WAY WAY BACK THERE. If we could zoom in we could probably see the tears in your little bich eyes" bah ha ha ha