Fighting Wilderness Designation…Ideas?

[SkiDoobyDoo]

There are a number of agricultural organizations fighting government takeover of lands, public & private. "Not 1 More Acre" is one group fighting the US Army in SE Colorado for 400k+ acres. I know there are others in all the mountain / ranching states, not so much the farming states.

Need to look into where we share goals and overcome the conflicts.
I know there's one fight in eastern Montanna where people want year-around access to public lands via a rancher's property, but he closes gates during calving season to protect people and the herd. Cows with young calves can be defensive and some idiots like to mess with young calves.

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[spring snow hero]

perhaps we should pitch to the DAV (disabled american vets) the aarp, special olympics........get a lot of flavors that can not use the wilderness.

 

[SkiDoobyDoo]

perhaps we should pitch to the DAV (disabled american vets) the aarp, special olympics........get a lot of flavors that can not use the wilderness.

good idea, wilderness lands will never have nice paths for mobility challenged nor will assisting appliances like motor chairs be allowed

many in these groups will never be allowed to see these lands, summer or winter

 

[swampwater]

Unfortunately you can go after every organization in the world to be on your side but it will be of no help if you ignore the one and only action that can save our freedoms and that is changing th house of representatives. The one group we can have the most influence on is the house. They have to run for reelection every 2 years and they represent the smallest area and number of constituants and can be pressured more than any other federal elective official. The problem this will take alot of work and at least as much work as the leftist and greeny whackos put forth, unfortunately unlike those taxpayer funded groups we have to work for a living but we must regain the balance of power or we will fail. In the 70's the JBS formed a project called TRIM, Tax Reform Imediatelly, their object was to have a group in every congressional district and publish the voting record of every congressman and distribute the record in the congressmans district. We actually managed to get a conservative republican elected in the most democratic district in Washington, named Cunningham, the district now held by a socialist for many years because Jack Anderson and the media made it their job to make sure he never got elected again. Much of the conservative wins with Reagan in 1980 were helped by this program and in the 90's we managed to get a Ron Paul Mentored Republican elected in the 2nd district, which never elected a republican before or since. Jack Metcalf put his own term limit on as he believed in the citizen legislature and we were than stuck with Rick Larson.
I know that program worked but unfortunately it takes dedication and work and as occurred after Reagan was elected most people figured they had won and went to sleep until 1994 when the Republicans again took control of the House. The problem then was we fell asleep again and did not hold them to their pledges after a few years. Except for true patriots congressmen tend to morph into politicians quickly after arriving in DC. I do know that if you control the house of representatives you will control the country, but you cannot rest your effort once you think you have got your man in office and this requires constant appraisal and work and communicating with the congressman with your desires. Again "CONTROL THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND YOU CONTROL THE COUNTRY".MY Rant Swampy

 

[Rprecision]

Unfortunately you can go after every organization in the world to be on your side but it will be of no help if you ignore the one and only action that can save our freedoms and that is changing th house of representatives. The one group we can have the most influence on is the house. They have to run for reelection every 2 years and they represent the smallest area and number of constituants and can be pressured more than any other federal elective official. The problem this will take alot of work and at least as much work as the leftist and greeny whackos put forth, unfortunately unlike those taxpayer funded groups we have to work for a living but we must regain the balance of power or we will fail. In the 70's the JBS formed a project called TRIM, Tax Reform Imediatelly, their object was to have a group in every congressional district and publish the voting record of every congressman and distribute the record in the congressmans district. We actually managed to get a conservative republican elected in the most democratic district in Washington, named Cunningham, the district now held by a socialist for many years because Jack Anderson and the media made it their job to make sure he never got elected again. Much of the conservative wins with Reagan in 1980 were helped by this program and in the 90's we managed to get a Ron Paul Mentored Republican elected in the 2nd district, which never elected a republican before or since. Jack Metcalf put his own term limit on as he believed in the citizen legislature and we were than stuck with Rick Larson.
I know that program worked but unfortunately it takes dedication and work and as occurred after Reagan was elected most people figured they had won and went to sleep until 1994 when the Republicans again took control of the House. The problem then was we fell asleep again and did not hold them to their pledges after a few years. Except for true patriots congressmen tend to morph into politicians quickly after arriving in DC. I do know that if you control the house of representatives you will control the country, but you cannot rest your effort once you think you have got your man in office and this requires constant appraisal and work and communicating with the congressman with your desires. Again "CONTROL THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND YOU CONTROL THE COUNTRY".MY Rant Swampy

For the mass population (voters) land mangment is a very low priority.

Besides I would bet 9 out 10 people would support more wilderness to save the planet..........................

The few who live in the areas, play in them and truly care about them have a no say !

 

[ChesterMtnSports]

One thing happening in California is pollution fron the Wilderness.

What ... nature pollutes.

Yes it does ... but how?

Lightning strikes the granite rock and ignites natural dead growth on the ground.

Then it burns and the smoke and ash leaves the forest and go into the areas where humans live.

Now the water is polluted outside the forest as well as the air.

People with breathing conditions suffer, and water purification costs more plus life downstream dies from the black water.

So can you notify the American Lung Association on how a wilderness will kill people around it from air pollution?

How man people will die each year from an increase in air pollution from allowing a wilderness to burn? Would this require an EIA?

This all causes a lawsuit in California.


In fact forest watchers will plot smoke directions from a fire to document where the pollution went so to have actual data during litigation.

Do you have to do a EIA by making a forest "natural" plus is there a liability where a forest fire burns out of control and pollutes private property and harms human life? What if the smoke hurts pets, animals livestock? Is there a liability? What if fisheries downstream loose business because the water is polluted from the fire?

its funny you bring that up. every year we get fires in lassen park (Theres one burning now) they "manage" the fire and it burns all summer long and we live with smoke all summer long.. It's pretty sweet. I have heard the saying a couple times "make it wilderness today and we'll burn it tomorrow"..lol

 

[Wade]

its funny you bring that up. every year we get fires in lassen park (Theres one burning now) they "manage" the fire and it burns all summer long and we live with smoke all summer long.. It's pretty sweet. I have heard the saying a couple times "make it wilderness today and we'll burn it tomorrow"..lol

Yha, I heard one "they won't let us cut it, but they don't mind if we breathe it."

 

[donbrown]

Has anyone asked or let the people see the damage the wilderness is causing in California right now?

Here we are a group that privately pays to make fire breaks in the forest for free and use as a natural animal path for most of the year

 

[hilinerider]

perhaps we should pitch to the DAV (disabled american vets) the aarp, special olympics........get a lot of flavors that can not use the wilderness.

bingo, bring up the ada, i have relatives that are pissed they can't go places they used cause they are locked out and have a heart conditions so they can't walk in 6 miles

 

[SkiDoobyDoo]

the Wilderness wackos insist that the land is "better off" without humans (save a few hikers, their humanity is questionable)

i know they repeatedly try to get livestock ranchers off public lands, but their own studies show that the lands are healthier WITH managed grazing

lands left un-grazed become riddled with less nutritious and less dense weeds, the lands then erode easily, the wildlife has less to eat, it may have a connection to the wasting disease too


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[Wade]

We need to fill Environmentalist with dispare and hopelessness.

What I can't believe is that enviornmentalist actually believe that Wilderness is forever. History teaches you one thing. All civilization will fall. All laws will fall. Countries change boarders, and wars will be fought. Things just change.

Anyone that is stupid enough to believe that some idiotic wilderness will be around in 200 or a 1000 years is smoking some good grass. It won't happen. The economy of this country will one day fall. The people will fight. New forms of government will be installed. Resources will be utilized, if the people need them. "Wilderness, creating old growth forest; for the next generation to make lumber out of."

It's like people worrying about snowmobiles in Yellowstone. Lady I want to snowmobile in a volcano, exactly what in the hell am I going to hurt????? Yellowstone gets covered with lava about every 10,000 years. I don't care what kind of track you have, it aint going to outlast a volcanic eruption. End of story.

The message should be, "The only thing you people are accomplishing, is destroying the little enjoyment I have; during my time on earth."

"Be a good little Environmentalist and save the planet, kill yourself; before you breed."

 

[SkiDoobyDoo]

"Be a good little Environmentalist and save the planet, kill yourself; before you breed."

BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

[SkiDoobyDoo]

watch or read speech from Sec of Ag Vilsack (D-Idiot)
http://www.fs.fed.us/

if i recall, Vilsack became governor of Iowa having a huge budget surplus and a huge rainy-day fund, within his first term Iowa was in debt and the fund gone
so yeah, he's a true Democrat

his babbling speech goes on about water, but settles in on the "roadless rule"
that's their big tool


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