just read on ksl that osama obama. has ordered ALL fuel to be blended with ethanol. ethanol is crap, especially on 2 stroke engines. just another way to show his power, and try to ruin this country completely before he gets out of office. IMPEACH him, he is corrupt. I guess it doesn't really matter anyhow because before he's gone there WILL NOT BE any PUBLIC lands left. it will ALL be wilderness, so all the enviro. nazi's can eat there lovers CORN in peace.
ethanol in gas...
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Yeah, it doesn't make any sense at all! I drive a 95 f-150 and can seriously almost double my milage by filling with 91 oct non-oxygenated fuel. It has been proven time and again that you get worse milage with ethanol fuels.
So, if you get worse mpg you are obviously polluting the air more. Which doesn't makes sense either.
More time at the pump is also hurting our pocket books and doing nothing to help the economy.
The process of making ethanol pollutes the air more than any benifits they claim it creates. This has also been proven.
The use of corn is also driving up the cost of the corn. You as the consumer will feel that every time you go to the grocery store. Which again is hitting our pocket books and not helping the economy. I say that because gas and food are typically items that are needed in day to day life. The extra costs are not allowing Americans the extra spending money to buy luxuries.
The ethanol also separates in the storage tanks. They claim it isn't supposed to, but it does. So, depending on where you fill, it is possible that you could be filling with as much as 50% ethanol. Not to mention what alcohol does with water.
It also isn't good for your fuel delivery system. It can creat gum and turn to sludge in a matter of a month. This is why so many companies include fuel additives in their fuels. It is to help keep the fuel system clean and free of ethanol sludge.
Like I said, it makes no sense at all!
I'm very confused. I have never met anyone who voted for him. Why is he in office?
So, if you get worse mpg you are obviously polluting the air more. Which doesn't makes sense either.
More time at the pump is also hurting our pocket books and doing nothing to help the economy.
The process of making ethanol pollutes the air more than any benifits they claim it creates. This has also been proven.
The use of corn is also driving up the cost of the corn. You as the consumer will feel that every time you go to the grocery store. Which again is hitting our pocket books and not helping the economy. I say that because gas and food are typically items that are needed in day to day life. The extra costs are not allowing Americans the extra spending money to buy luxuries.
The ethanol also separates in the storage tanks. They claim it isn't supposed to, but it does. So, depending on where you fill, it is possible that you could be filling with as much as 50% ethanol. Not to mention what alcohol does with water.
It also isn't good for your fuel delivery system. It can creat gum and turn to sludge in a matter of a month. This is why so many companies include fuel additives in their fuels. It is to help keep the fuel system clean and free of ethanol sludge.
Like I said, it makes no sense at all!
I'm very confused. I have never met anyone who voted for him. Why is he in office?
It sure sounds like a bad situation you all have down there and I sure hope Canada does not follow.
Hopefully he gets voted out before he has a chance to put his agenda into play.You as a consumer should have a choice on what fuel you can run,I can only imagine what will happen to the price of corn if all gas stations are forced to use this product.
This will be hard on the whole motorsport industry from boats,bikes,race cars and of coarse sleds.
I can see it becoming like the prohibition days with Canadians selling bootlegged real fuel to the US.
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600xc4me
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Canada is following as well. ^^^ I worked at a gas station for the better part of three years and we just had a sit down with the know it alls, and by 2012 all our gas is supposed to be 5% ethanol. Along with diesels needing an exhaust fluid, which gets injected into the exhaust. It's all BS
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sledheadjake
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Must be BP`s new money saving additive
true I have a flex fuel Ford and I saw a 20 percent drop in mileage....and when it got cooler it was very hard starting and would sputter and kill. And this was at like 50 if I recall.
Talked to ford about reflashing and updating.....mechanic said don't bother.
Ran nothing but regular since.
Though here in MN we have 10 percent. I have ran this in both my dirt bike and sled at times with no real problems.
Monte do you know if MN puts Ethanol in our Premium?
Talked to ford about reflashing and updating.....mechanic said don't bother.
Ran nothing but regular since.
Though here in MN we have 10 percent. I have ran this in both my dirt bike and sled at times with no real problems.
Monte do you know if MN puts Ethanol in our Premium?
You are starting to see signs on certain pumps that say something along the lines of,"non oxygenated fuel for collector vehicles, motorcycles, snowmobiles and small engines.
These are the only ones that don't contain ethanol. I believe it's quite an ordeal for the stations to carry the stuff, but I am seeing more of them. Someone must have stepped in to help. All others are supposedly around 10% ethanol. We had quite a few older sleds go down around here last winter from the fuel they were running. If you have it in your bike, drain the carb after each use. Especially, if it will be sitting for awhile. The stuff gums up fast. I found that out with the 250f. Now it gets only non oxygenated.
Funny you mention the hard starting. I have a lawn mower that claims to be one pull start and it always did until I tried to run ethanol through it. 4 pulls to start. Went back to non ethanol and it's 1st pull every time.
thank you...
osama binladen obama, we needed a change but not YOURS you will make america a free for all people nation, with NO public lands, and no real fuel, and no real americans, and no real opinions either. hail HITLER OBAMA. he must be IMPEACHED before he COMPLETELY ruins the united states of america.
osama binladen obama, we needed a change but not YOURS you will make america a free for all people nation, with NO public lands, and no real fuel, and no real americans, and no real opinions either. hail HITLER OBAMA. he must be IMPEACHED before he COMPLETELY ruins the united states of america.
Thanks Monte....I have seen the stickers and always wondered since they don't mention Ethanol.
As for the bike, I did a couple summers agon run 87 due to cost....knock on wood no problems....but I do try and blow the carbon out from time to time.
Maf, not knocking ethanol or the push for anti oil.....but corn is no good, and there are lots of issues with E blends, such as the hard starts and cold weather. I don't mind the lower MPGs....even though the price usually equaled the same as paying for regular gas.
Harder cold weather starting....correct
lower MPG....correct, but arguable due to lower E85 price
Sometimes cheaper to run the e85 sometimes cheaper not to, it all depends on your local E85 pricing.
Either way I would prefer to do whatever possible to import less foreign oil.
Higher priced food due to corn use in ethanol......HUGE MYTH
That arguement is silly when you consider that we pay farmers to NOT crop land.
However, I don't see corn as the permenant ethanol base stock. There is currently alot of R&D into other sources (corn stalks, corn cobs, different grass varieties, wood chips etc)
I have ran E10 in all of my stuff from lawn mowers to PWC to sleds and ALL of my vehicles. Guess what....Zero problems (other than having to reset a service light on a '03 f150 for running e 85 that wasn't made for e 85, it confused the o2 sensor)
So I guess I'm saying Omaba's stance on ethanol is one thing I agree with him on.
Bash away!
lower MPG....correct, but arguable due to lower E85 price
Sometimes cheaper to run the e85 sometimes cheaper not to, it all depends on your local E85 pricing.
Either way I would prefer to do whatever possible to import less foreign oil.
Higher priced food due to corn use in ethanol......HUGE MYTH
That arguement is silly when you consider that we pay farmers to NOT crop land.
However, I don't see corn as the permenant ethanol base stock. There is currently alot of R&D into other sources (corn stalks, corn cobs, different grass varieties, wood chips etc)
I have ran E10 in all of my stuff from lawn mowers to PWC to sleds and ALL of my vehicles. Guess what....Zero problems (other than having to reset a service light on a '03 f150 for running e 85 that wasn't made for e 85, it confused the o2 sensor)
So I guess I'm saying Omaba's stance on ethanol is one thing I agree with him on.
Bash away!
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knzee
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They avoid each other like the plague.
I don't know a lot about the chemical make up of oil or ethonal. I work on electrical and insturmentation for a company that sells a lot of refined product. When we started selling ethonal blended fuel at our terminal we had to inject it at the very last possible point before it entered the transport trailer. And having to work on injectors, valves, meters and gauges let me tell you it is very hard on anything that it came in contact with. And all these devices have millions of gallons of fuel and gas ran through them day in and day out without any problems before...
I don't know a lot about the chemical make up of oil or ethonal. I work on electrical and insturmentation for a company that sells a lot of refined product. When we started selling ethonal blended fuel at our terminal we had to inject it at the very last possible point before it entered the transport trailer. And having to work on injectors, valves, meters and gauges let me tell you it is very hard on anything that it came in contact with. And all these devices have millions of gallons of fuel and gas ran through them day in and day out without any problems before...
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Spaarky
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x2..... there is some of the most uneducated posts I have ever seen in this thread.
I dont know who mentioned the grocery store, but that is so far from the truth its not funny. There is a surplus of corn every year, ethonal has no affect what so ever on your groceries.
Get educated before you post things you have NO CLUE about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My family has run ethonal in their vehicles, sleds, mowers, boats, campers... anthing it can go in and have never once had a problem...
