drinking while pregnant...

[milehighassassin]

YOU can think what YOU want, and do what YOU want. If I look for ONLY things to support my point of view, I could find them too. I however, did a search for factual issues of drinking while pregnant.

YOU can say alcohol is good for a person all you want...doesn't make it so. It is beneficial to some (not pregnant).....but not others. I didn't spend 10 years on our local ambulance and not learn anything about this concerning everyone that drinking could affect (besides all of my other training).

Winter Brew is 100% correct....who is going to do a "study" with the potential to be sued because their kid is now messed up because of the Mom drinking?!!

You can argue with yourself now....I KNOW my facts, I've seen results....and I'm done in here.

This is as bad as an addict trying to justify why he/she does drugs.

And your experiences are from people that ABUSE drugs and Alcohol. Big difference an abuser and occasional drink.


I've worked in a half way house, I had my emt for 8 years, I've worked in a hospital, I've seen much of what you have spoken about. Context, you cannot believe that all people are that way.


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[milehighassassin]

just because something is proven doesn;t make it proven...

What? Gravity is proven, now prove me wrong.



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[winter brew]

Winter Brew... Alcohol is not bad for you. Alcohol in excess is bad for you. Having 1 drink a day is healthy. It is good for your heart and also increases your "good" cholesterol.



I drink....not in excess (OK, maybe once in a while ), but I have to disagree. Alcohol....even in small amounts has negative effects. Yes, it thins the blood so there is less chance of a stroke or heart attack. But does that negate the negative things it does to your brain, liver, choice in women etc...??

 

[ruffryder]

I drink....not in excess (OK, maybe once in a while ), but I have to disagree. Alcohol....even in small amounts has negative effects. Yes, it thins the blood so there is less chance of a stroke or heart attack. But does that negate the negative things it does to your brain, liver, choice in women etc...??

Is that your point of view as a doctor?

 

[ruffryder]

YOU can think what YOU want, and do what YOU want. If I look for ONLY things to support my point of view, I could find them too. I however, did a search for factual issues of drinking while pregnant.

Again, we aren't looking for factual issues, just factual studies. I have looked for them, MH has looked for them.. So far it seems like they don't exist.

 

[ruffryder]

It's called LOGIC

I bet that line of reasoning was used to prove the earth was flat... lol

I doubt there are any modern, legitimate controlled studies because it would be unethical to have anyone drink alcohol while pregnant and pose a risk to a child....and why is that?? Because they ALREADY KNOW alcohol is harmful...sheesh!

There are ways to do this after the fact... Why don't you look at some of the data methods of some of the meta studies? Or is this another one of your clinical opinions?

 

[ruffryder]

I think people are missing the point here. I highly doubt MH and myself would want our pregnant wives to be drinking during the pregnancy. Why? Because erring on the safe side is the best when it comes to the baby. The point is why do we think that any alcohol consumption by a pregnant mother is bad? What is this based on? Is it based on anything scientific? Or is it just something that society teaches us, almost like an old wives tale.

Might be best to put your thinking caps on to 11 for this one... lol

 

[winter brew]

Is that your point of view as a doctor?

That depends....do you have insurance?

 

[winter brew]

I bet that line of reasoning was used to prove the earth was flat... lol

There are ways to do this after the fact... Why don't you look at some of the data methods of some of the meta studies? Or is this another one of your clinical opinions?

As compared to your clinical opinions?

You must be bored...LOL

 

[ruffryder]

As compared to your clinical opinions?

You must be bored...LOL

Nope, it is compared to the results of the studies being referenced.

 

[m8magicandmystery]

What? Gravity is proven, now prove me wrong.



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the titanic is unsinkable(it sank)....till death do us part(and they part before death).......bernie madoffs funds (how can zero be reduced to zero?)........if hot air rises,why do politicians popularity sink..??......if turds float why do they flush......if gravity was here,why did Newton have to discover it..??.....if hot air rises,why do you smell a persons fart when he is a few feet away beside you and not below you...when i give my snowmobile gas it climbs the hill,when you give your snowmobile gas why does it sink at the start of the hill..??...why is gold found in places deep down yet people say gold is extremely high..???....

really though...gravity was CREATED......drinking while pregnant is not a creation.....the fact is when you can have differing thoughts on drinking while pregnant from EXPERTS...if they are differing, then one for sure is not an expert..so if i believe the one side of the arguement from an EXPERT...and you believe the other side of the argument from an EXPERT...then how is your argument anymore proven about alcohol and pregnancy then the individuals that differ from you..??

 

[milehighassassin]

the titanic is unsinkable(it sank)....till death do us part(and they part before death).......bernie madoffs funds (how can zero be reduced to zero?)........if hot air rises,why do politicians popularity sink..??......if turds float why do they flush......if gravity was here,why did Newton have to discover it..??.....if hot air rises,why do you smell a persons fart when he is a few feet away beside you and not below you...when i give my snowmobile gas it climbs the hill,when you give your snowmobile gas why does it sink at the start of the hill..??...why is gold found in places deep down yet people say gold is extremely high..???....

really though...gravity was CREATED......drinking while pregnant is not a creation.....the fact is when you can have differing thoughts on drinking while pregnant from EXPERTS...if they are differing, then one for sure is not an expert..so if i believe the one side of the arguement from an EXPERT...and you believe the other side of the argument from an EXPERT...then how is your argument anymore proven about alcohol and pregnancy then the individuals that differ from you..??

Sorry, I couldn't read all of that because it is ONE run-on sentence. But I did get the following out of it:
-Titanic, not a fact that it was unsinkable, it was a "claim".
-Bernie Madoff: Certainly no facts came out of this guy.


Gravity was created? By god I suppose.

 

[m8magicandmystery]

not a fact , it was a "claim".
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and people base alot of info on medical studies that generally start with the sentence...


Medical authorities have completed studies and they CLAIM it proves...etc etc..??

We can argue forever,but i sure don;t have to fall in a septic tank to know it stinks or as well i don;t have to go to Rome to know it exists.

 

[milehighassassin]

And then they back up their claim with facts.


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[m8magicandmystery]

And then they back up their claim with facts.


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and the other side taken the opposite side of the arguement back up their claim with facts as well...lol...soooooo..

these facts make the accussed guilty says the prosecutor
these facts make my client not guilty says the defense lawyer

i will be the judge says the mother...!!!!!!