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Dear Yamaha 2010

I just got back from the dealer and they had an 09 Nytro there. Big difference this year on the track. The lugs are wwwwwaaaaaayyyy stiffer and the ends of the lugs are solid not like the comb design of years before. It should actually be a good track this year. Also the new shocks in the rear skid look pretty damn good as well.:beer;
 
2010 Yamahas

Use the Nytro chassis. Give it a 200 HP turbocharged 3 cylinder engine. Use aluminum wherever possible for light weight. Yamaha would have the BADDEST muscle sled on the planet!!!
 
The problem is it's owned by the conservative Japanese and how many Japanese do you see riding sleds? They've always been sub-par in the Mnt. sector and only glimpses of glory in the trail sector. They've ALWAYS BEEN TO HEAVY!:mad::mad:
To say you heard them complain about sells because a lighter more functional rear suspension would raise the price to high is a CROCK OF ScHITTT! That's an excuse, at least come up with something believeable to tell your customers and Dealerships. Someone said it best, loose 50 lbs with a light exhaust and timbersled designed rear skid and run a challenger track and you'd have another machine.....are they so blind as to not realize how truly simple this could be and NOT cost prohibitive!
If Yamaha decided to actually design a TRUE mountain sled and went through the Nytro removing parts like Cat and Skidoo and not using huge bolts on every thing etc. etc. they could loose 50 lbs and cut costs or at least keep them minimal! YES Yamaha knows this but THEY DON'T CARE!
How long have we suffered with poor valving in thier shocks.....this does NOT cost a thing to change for them. How long did we all suffer with there Proaction CRAP on the MM and 15 years worth of other sleds before they switched to a torsion sprung rear skid! Everyone complained then and eveyone is still complaining but the problem is it's owned and ran by Japanese, which has is pro's and con's. Quality is top notch but suffers in to many other area's, the bottom line is they are business minded and they know the sleds don't make them much money. Bikes and other things sell tons more so they get first priority! Until Yamahas sled division is heaed by someone with a desire to drive the competition who personally rides a sled A LOT, this won't change and even then it would have to be backed by the.......guess who............Japanese! Sorry to sound pesamistic but this is the facts! They could have copied an RMK skid in 99' and ran an 800CC tripple and dominated but they didn't want to and so they just got by with selling a reasonable amount of sleds to make a reasonable profit. This is Yamaha through and through, they build sleds for the ordinary guy , solid reliable and that's the goal. The reps say this over and over in all the video's i've seen for years! You watch the AC or Doo reps and they talk about buiulding dominant sleds, the best in it's class, dominating the competition and being on the cutting edge of what the "RIDERS" want. I've never heard a cat rep say, "we build sleds for the ordinary guy, solid and dependable"......blah blah blah. Put me to sleep Yamaha.....:rolleyes:

Yamaha snowmobiles are developed and tested largely in the US at N.A.S.H. (north american snowmobile headquarter's)
Engineered and built in Japan
 
but the 4 starts easier when it's cold

Over the entire season last year I NEVER had an issue starting my Nytro in the cold, or ever for that matter. Even down to -20F, started without issue. Don't know what you're talking about here....
 
Over the entire season last year I NEVER had an issue starting my Nytro in the cold, or ever for that matter. Even down to -20F, started without issue. Don't know what you're talking about here....

thats my bad. i didn't know if the nytro was like the phazer and vector that start hard in cold.
 
Just my 2cents

From what i know about the power equipment industry no manufacture will re-act to what we say because we don't all say the same thing?? Manufactures re-act to the competion and sales numbers!!

All of our hopes for a true mountain sled will never be totally met by yamaha? But we could hope for something a lot better than what we are getting!!

So here is what i think is do-able
1. 4 cylinder apex/rx1 based motor 160hp
2. Nytro bulkhead xtx front suspension and ergos
3. Phazer like tunnel with heated running boards and nytro seat and exhaust
4. Rear skid something like a holz or kmod!! Less parts still very durable
5. A choice of tracks is not unrealistic camo extreme or maverick
6. This one is just a wish!! G.y.t. Turbo kit. Dealer installed and maintained!!! Probably not just a hope!!

What do ya guys think??
Thats just my take on things??
 
From what i know about the power equipment industry no manufacture will re-act to what we say because we don't all say the same thing?? Manufactures re-act to the competion and sales numbers!!

All of our hopes for a true mountain sled will never be totally met by yamaha? But we could hope for something a lot better than what we are getting!!

So here is what i think is do-able
1. 4 cylinder apex/rx1 based motor 160hp
2. Nytro bulkhead xtx front suspension and ergos
3. Phazer like tunnel with heated running boards and nytro seat and exhaust
4. Rear skid something like a holz or kmod!! Less parts still very durable
5. A choice of tracks is not unrealistic camo extreme or maverick
6. This one is just a wish!! G.y.t. Turbo kit. Dealer installed and maintained!!! Probably not just a hope!!

What do ya guys think??
Thats just my take on things??

that would be pritty sweet
 
2010 heres what I think may happen

New 4 cyl without gear reduction (180HP)
In the Nytro chassis
162 track
25-30lbs lighter than the Nytro MTX.

More power lighter weight, if Yamaha has been listening to the market this will probably happen. could be off +/- on the HP by 5-10 but I bet the rest will happen.
 
Info on the 09 R1 new motor

This is the motor I think we will see next year

Came straight off of Yamaha's website, for sport bikes

# Crossplane crankshaft technology proven in victory after victory on MotoGP machines provides a high-tech uneven firing interval. Unlike typical in-line-four engine design, where the two outer and two inner pistons move together in pairs with 180°intervals, the crossplane crankshaft has each connecting rod 90° from the next with a unique firing order of 270° –180° – 90° – 180°. This overcomes the inherent fluctuations in inertial torque during each engine revolution, and the accompanying peaky torque characteristics. Instead, compression torque continues to build, giving the rider more linear throttle response with awesome power and traction out of the corners.
# To maximize rider comfort as well as power output, this newly designed engine adopts a coupling-type balancer that rotates in the opposite direction as the crankshaft.
# This engine features new forged aluminum pistons to take maximum advantage of the power characteristics. As proven on previous models, titanium intake valves are lightweight titanium.
# A forced-air intake system is adopted to increase intake efficiency by using the natural airflow during riding to pressurize the air in the air cleaner box. This contributes to outstanding power delivery characteristics in the high-speed range, while the design also helps to minimize intake noise.
# Slipper-type back torque-limiting clutch greatly facilitates braking/downshifting from high speed.
# The exhaust system is completely new. It’s meticulously designed to enhance engine output while, thanks to its threeway catalyst technology, also reducing exhaust emissions. The silencer is a single expansion type, and, the sound coming through from the unique crossplane-crankshaft-equipped engine is unlike any other in-line four cylinder production supersport.
# This fuel-injected engine takes full advantage of YCC-T (Yamaha Chip Controlled Throttle), the MotoGP-inspired fly-by-wire technology used to deliver instant throttle response. There’s also YCC-I, Yamaha Chip Controlled Intake, the variable intake system that broadens the spread of power. Fuel injectors have 12 holes for precise fuel delivery that translates to the most power from every fuel charge.
 
Just a few more thoughts

THIS TOPIC HAS REALLY GOT ME KIND OF INTRIGUED
I HAVE BEAN THINKING ABOUT IT ALOT LATLEY???
DON'T KNOW WHY??

SO HERE WE GO!!!
1. WE ALL WOULD LIKE OUR YAMAHAWGS TO NOT BE SO PORKY!!
2. MORE HP !!!
3. BETTER SUSPENSION !! MAINLY THE REAR??

SO HERE IS SOME MORE SUGESTIONS!!! AS IF YAMAHA REALLY CARES!@#$%

SINCE RE RELEASING THE PHAZER WAS SUPPOSED TO MEAN SOMETHING
HOW ABOUT YAMAHA DO IT AGAIN

THIS TIME IT COULD BE THE V-MAX THE KING OF HORSEPOWER!!!!!!!

1. USE THE NEW V-MAX MOTOR 200HP!!! DOESN'T REV NEARLEY
AS HIGH AS THE R1 NO GEAR REDUCTION??. MORE COMPACT V4 DESIGN COULD BE PACKAGED IN SOMETHING MORE LIKE A PHAZER CHASSIS????
2. USE THE BEST SHOCKS AVAILABLE!!!! IN ALL THE SLEDS I MEAN ALL!!!!!!
3. TRY TO UNDER STAND(YAMAHA)THAT NOT EVERY SLED NEEDS TO LAST
FOR 25K MILES???
4. USE THE BEST AND LIGHTEST PARTS AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES THAT ARE ALREADY BEING USED !!!!
5. LAST ONE. GIVE US OPTIONS NOT JUST DIFFERENT MODELS!!

SORRY FOR THE LONG POST GUYS

MAYBE YAMAHA IS OUT THERE SOME WHERE WATCHING US POST OUR FRUSTRATIONS????:confused::confused:
 
2010 improvements

This suggestion is kind of boring compared to the posts given. But... it may be something a little more realistic in Yamaha's eyes. This affects us flatlander Phazer owners.

How about making the Ski a 136" w/ tip up rails like the XTX. This would make the sled a much better ditch banger and would appeal the the market it was intended for.
 
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3. TRY TO UNDER STAND(YAMAHA)THAT NOT EVERY SLED NEEDS TO LAST
FOR 25K MILES???
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I completely disagree. That is one thing Yamaha has going for them. The main reson I ride Yamaha. Reliability. They may not be the fastest/lightest but the the work good, great with a few mods. And they hold up longer than most.....
 
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