D.U.I. On a sled???

[Anti-Hero]

So how are the snow police going to test for alcohol hmm? With thier uncalibrated breathaliars? So lets say I drink 4 beers and ride at 9000 feet above sea level, and they give me a breath alcohol test do you think it is correct? In some pipe dream the police might have a clue on college math? Thier breathaliar says the the volume of air passed through was 5 liters, Hmm? At 9000 feet? Gas pressure law, p1*v1/t1=p2*v2/t2 there is no way in hell a police or a snow police could figure out what the exact BrAC is. Hell they think that they can smell alcohol, retards, ethyl alcohol is clear odorless liquid.

 

[007]

I know a couple of people here in WI that have got DUI's on there sleds and boats. Here it goes on your D.N.R. record not your driving abstract so it has nothing to do with your drivers license. I don't support the thought of having check points because I for one don't think we need anymore hassle with the law or sensor ship. I for all of you that want that go vote for Hillary!

besides laws were made to be broke!

Just use your head be safe, who cares if you have a beer or a nip of the old bottle once in awhile! There is more wreckless people out there riding sober that will kill you just as fast. (like cutting over the top of you while your stuck on a hill)

KJP

 

[Mooseknuckle]

In theory, yeah thats possible. I go to public events in the summer where people have open liquor all over and they don't bother us. It seems to be at their discretion really. The guy today told me that they handed out WAY too many warnings this weekend (presumably to drunken morons acting like idiots and bothering people). No hard feelings on my part, he's just doing his job and it's only 125 bones. But still, we werent driving anything, and i had just cracked the beer as they rode up. Goes to show how tight assed they are around here i guess.

If law enforcement is going to go by the letter of the law, thats fine. If their going to go by the spirit, good. Sure makes it dang hard for us in the middle to read their mind when their feeling subjective. "presumably to drunken morons acting like idiots and bothering people" Once again I think it comes down to a matter of personal restraint.

Unfortunately I too have been in the neighborhood of the above mentioned drunken morons and witnessed their stupidity and disreguard for their safety and the safety of others. My beach is that the groups they were with did nothing to slow them down. Drunk or sober, the frikken group road the trail at mach 1. Hello there trail boss, you need to manage your party and operate in the fashion at which your least experienced (or drunkest) rider can perform the function of snowmobiling in a safe manner. I guess the real problem is when everyone in the group has lost their senses.

I don't believe you should be blasted when you ride, but if somebody is gonna get up in my face about a road sodie on a putt putt trail day, they really need to shore up the high moral ground they are on. Especially if they are the folks who wait to get back to the parking lot to tip one or two. Perhaps the folks that enjoy a smoke in a group of people. Or the parents who have a little wine with a nice dinner and swing back by the Grandparents to get the kids on the way home. It is about personal responsibility, and breaking a law is breaking it, whether a little or a lot.

 

[youd47]

It seems like their is no medium for anyone here. I can't imagine drinking beer and blasting down a trail at 75 mph meeting people on blind corners. doesn't sound like a good idea. it's a little different riding the back country. we usually spend at least 6 or 7 hours on the snow. i'm quite confident that 5 or 6 beers cooling down the clutches or having lunch is not an impairment. I would think it depends on the person. MODERATION. I'm 220 lbs and not spending much time sitting on my butt with the hand warmers on.

I wonder if the same person who has problem with me having a beer in moderation is putting a mark on the hill while someone's stuck, or the person I'm giving zip ties and duct tape to after they tear a sled up, or the same person riding without survival gear.

 

[Tackbtch]

Rethink the question

Ok I think I got more "yes they can stop u and check u for sobriety" than no they cant. Without probable cause? Dino

 

[sneno77]

At least in MT, they can set up a Checkpoint at any time to check stickers. If during the sticker check they smell booze or suspect you've been drinking...they can proceed to dig further into it.

 

[shortstop20]

I agree too, however I like to have a couple of beers when I ride and that is enough to get a DWI if stopped.

I know it's different from person to person but I weigh 170 pounds and I can drink 4 beers before I'm over the limit. Having "a couple" which means TWO, will not put you over the limit. If you're still worried, take a little break between the two beers, drink them with food, and drink some water after that to re-hydrate you again so you'll have to pee.

This is not directed towards anyone in particular but if you can't go a full riding day(8 AM to 5 PM, only 9 hours) without having a beer I think you got problems. Beer is the last thing on my mind when I'm riding, I may have one or two rarely at lunch but other than that it's water, Gatorade or soda pop for me.

 

[Belle Star]

My husband and I had gone sledding with a friend who brought a 12 pack of beer, no lunch and started drinking before we left the parking lot that morning.
He didn't do much sledding mostly drinking, by the end of the day he was toasted and took a shortcut, rolled his sled broke 3 ribs, huge bump on his head (no helmet) ETC..... We told him not to take that shortcut but the booze told him something else.
Now if he hadn't made it back to the parking lot we would have had to go find him. That shortcut he took was either solid ice or dirt, HERES YOUR SIGN!!!
He made a bad choice and others could have been put at risk to save him. We don't go sledding with him anymore to much liability. He still drinks and rides.
Save the heavy drinking for when your done.

 

[EastcapeAngler]

....I know some Search & rescue volunteers... when they recite incidents like getting a call at 1 in the morning for a sled accident, & they find a tree with a 10' dia. sheered off from the force of a drunk's body hitting it..... I don't need to describe any further.

I mentioned on another thread here about how I used to drink & ride..
no more for me dewds.

 

[EastcapeAngler]

My husband and I had gone sledding with a friend who brought a 12 pack of beer, no lunch and started drinking before we left the parking lot that morning.
He didn't do much sledding mostly drinking, by the end of the day he was toasted and took a shortcut, rolled his sled broke 3 ribs, huge bump on his head (no helmet) ETC..... We told him not to take that shortcut but the booze told him something else.
Now if he hadn't made it back to the parking lot we would have had to go find him. That shortcut he took was either solid ice or dirt, HERES YOUR SIGN!!!
He made a bad choice and others could have been put at risk to save him. We don't go sledding with him anymore to much liability. He still drinks and rides.
Save the heavy drinking for when your done.

..I'm pimpin' yer avi Belle.. I like it.

 

[Belle Star]

..I'm pimpin' yer avi Belle.. I like it.

Makes me smile

 

[SylvanLaker]

I agree! It is a good idea. I get a big enough high when I ride that I don't need alchohol to heighten it. Have a beer, or a sip of baileys or something.. ok. Some think it is needed to pack a dozen...

I usually save it for after the ride, when I can reflect ,B.S. and relax. It tastes so much better then.

Mark, High like when you followed my tracks off that cornice drop in Keystone... Still LMFAO!!!

 

[NoSecondChances]

1) Anyone that drinks (in excess) and drives any motor vehicle is an azzhat, plain and simple.

2) Anyone that thinks this is a government conspiracy, blah, blah, blah, see #1 above.

Someone went into a lengthy explanation about the breathalizer and 9000ft and air pressure...blah blah blah. What about worrying about dehydration and alcohol (i.e. no drinking in the hot tub) and the fact that sledding is more likely to dehydrate you than an air pressure density correction factor at 9000ft? If you've had that much to drink that you need to factor in the air density to pass the breathalizer, you've had too much.

Do what you want when sledding, since it will be hard to police, but I do support the trail checks, and in the end you'll likely run off the trail, hit a tree and remove yourself from the breeding pool, which will benefit us all. But if you are drinking or drunk when sledding and then get back to the truck and have "one for the road" and jump in your rig and take off, now you are putting other peoples lives in danger by being on the highway. So I hope you get busted if you are this stupid. And by supporting policing the trails for drinking and riding, we are supporting the fight against drinking and driving and demonstrating that we don't condone that behaviour in our society. Take it for what its worth, my opinion.

 

[flatlander_99]

i believe there is a time and place for drinking and it is not when riding. i am out there to enjoy myself and alcohol is not included. you don't need to drink to have fun. i can respect those that may have one with lunch but that is their decision. i have no respect for people who think they have to have multiple alcoholic beverages while riding. i can understand knowing your limits & respect the people that know theirs.
it is your decision to drink & ride but it is not my decision to end up hurt or even dead because you had too much to drink. its one thing to hurt yourself but its another to hurt someone else. i don't want to pay for your mistake.

sorry, rant is over.....

 

[Anti-Hero]

1) Anyone that drinks (in excess) and drives any motor vehicle is an azzhat, plain and simple.

2) Anyone that thinks this is a government conspiracy, blah, blah, blah, see #1 above.

Someone went into a lengthy explanation about the breathalizer and 9000ft and air pressure...blah blah blah. What about worrying about dehydration and alcohol (i.e. no drinking in the hot tub) and the fact that sledding is more likely to dehydrate you than an air pressure density correction factor at 9000ft? If you've had that much to drink that you need to factor in the air density to pass the breathalizer, you've had too much.

Do what you want when sledding, since it will be hard to police, but I do support the trail checks, and in the end you'll likely run off the trail, hit a tree and remove yourself from the breeding pool, which will benefit us all. But if you are drinking or drunk when sledding and then get back to the truck and have "one for the road" and jump in your rig and take off, now you are putting other peoples lives in danger by being on the highway. So I hope you get busted if you are this stupid. And by supporting policing the trails for drinking and riding, we are supporting the fight against drinking and driving and demonstrating that we don't condone that behaviour in our society. Take it for what its worth, my opinion.

The ideal gas pressure law was me, and your answer is that of many. We do not need to make the system correct, just have some small inconclusive evidence to arrest random people. If you blew a .08 BrAC at 9000ft you would be wrongly arrested, is that ok? Dehydration um yeah if the body is made of say 70% h2o and alcohol is homogenous with h2o well think about it. or ask your science teacher for some extra help maybe.

And Probable cause, $hit that is load of crap to police, Ethyl Alcohol is once again a clear ordorless liquid But by a miracle Police can smell alcohol, it must be some of their world class training.

 

[John]

Probable cause...

...is a joke. Seems it went away with bell-bottom pants and VW vans. If you don't give them a reason to stop you and they feel like it they will make something up. Had one tell me that my licence light was out after picking up a buddy from the bar, it wasn't. Saw me pull out of the bar and figured he had me.

The whole drinking and riding thing gets beat to death on here...

Ok I think I got more "yes they can stop u and check u for sobriety" than no they cant. Without probable cause? Dino

 

[RXB-1]

....I know some Search & rescue volunteers... when they recite incidents like getting a call at 1 in the morning for a sled accident, & they find a tree with a 10' dia. sheered off from the force of a drunk's body hitting it..... I don't need to describe any further.

I mentioned on another thread here about how I used to drink & ride..
no more for me dewds.

WOW thats got to be a big guy to bust a 10 foot diameter tree with his body. dude would have to be 500 feet tall
10 inch diamater it would also take someone severial times bigger than life, unless it was standing dead and very rotten....

 

[sneno77]

Not sure how you come up w/ your figures on the "larger than life" person sheering a tree? On a smaller scale, I witnessed a small female shear a 2" branch off of a living Lodge Pole Pine with her forearm. Branch was broke about 5" out from the bowl of the tree. First ride for the lady...came out from NY and rented a sled. Attempted to keep up w/ some experienced riders on the trail and didn't make a corner. Luckily she didn't center the tree or she most likely would have died. Est speed was 50+mph. Needless to say, her forearm was mush.
A rough interpretation, but it seems to me that if a small forearm can sheer a 2" branch, a large male could sheer off a 10" tree w/ enough speed. Just a thought.

 

[EastcapeAngler]

10 inch diamater it would also take someone severial times bigger than life, unless it was standing dead and very rotten....[/quote]


Silly me. severial????? Sweep yer own sidewalk before you rip on someone else's.. Fuggin' tard. (In reference to your eagle eyes on my 10' transgression) But I presume that someone with a mush head like yours wouldn't stand a chance against a tree sprig, much less a trunk.

 

[RXB-1]

Not sure how you come up w/ your figures etc.
A rough interpretation, but it seems to me that if a small forearm can sheer a 2" branch, a large male could sheer off a 10" tree w/ enough speed. Just a thought.

As a life long woodsman........ No it cant! worlds apart from a branch.