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Crystal Springs Sno-Park / Injunction for CLOSURE!!!!

There were between 40 & 50 of us (sledders, cross-country skiers, and dog sledders). Great turn out.
The injunction hearing against the Forest Service is scheduled for Dec. 1 @ 2pm in Yakima at the Federal Court.
We need to try and make a showing at that one as well.
 
We took nearly a 20% cut across the board this year in our Snowmobile budget due entirely to lack of funds in our system. We had a lot less snowmobiles registered last year and that took a big toll on our budget, Nobody stole it, Plowing, grooming ect all took big cuts because of lack of funds. We pay to play and definately need to either raise our license fee's or Pay for our snow park permits instead of getting them for free, The cross country skiers raised their own fee's over a year ago and although they took some flak up front they are very happy now and actually get to groom their ski trails more frequently,

I dont understand why we dont charge for the snow park permits kinda silly I would be fine with a booth at the snow park to sell daily permits like they do in revy.
 
why dont they charge 5$ at the gate for daily use like when you launch your boat at the ramp. then that money is spent a that sno-park. i would not have a problem with something like that:light:
 
Here is for better understanding

What most people on here dont know is that Beasley does not want the snopark to be closed down, he himself used the snopark for many years before purchasing his property. He only is doing it as a last resort motion to get some larger scale attention on the subject matter, which it seems as if that objective is working. Him and the other residents nearby have submitted many proposals for different routes of winter access to access to their properties only to be slapped in the face each time with a denial from the USFS and WA Parks Dept, and with little or no justification as to why they are denying him to either plow his own dual use road (ex. Salmon La Sac) or to plow an already existing road that went from the snopark to the fire dept. through the trees that many snowmobilers probably never have even noticed. Also the Parks dept. has taken away access to the parking lot that was reserved for trollhaugen and residents of the sawmill flats area, which is where Beasley had parked prior to the closing of the lot, with the excuse that they dont have the budget to plow it. When many residents are willing to and have the equipment to plow it themselves if thats what it takes to have access to their homes.
Many residents live up there year round such as the McCormic residence and Odonnel residence (the caboose right outside of the snopark on the right). A few years back Pat Odonnel had a heart complecation and it was 3 hours before EMT's could get to him, which happens to be the closest residence to the snopark (about a quarter mile down the main road). The next closest being another half mile and Beasleys almost a full mile from the snopark.
Ask yourself, if you owned a cabin/home at crystal springs, would you want winter access? and if so suggest what actions you would take to gain the access knowing what already has bein done in the efforts of obtaining access. Rather than making insults, and making false claims, he doesnt want our snopark closed, he wants to be able to get to his house
 
What most people on here dont know is that Beasley does not want the snopark to be closed down, he himself used the snopark for many years before purchasing his property. He only is doing it as a last resort motion to get some larger scale attention on the subject matter, which it seems as if that objective is working. Him and the other residents nearby have submitted many proposals for different routes of winter access to access to their properties only to be slapped in the face each time with a denial from the USFS and WA Parks Dept, and with little or no justification as to why they are denying him to either plow his own dual use road (ex. Salmon La Sac) or to plow an already existing road that went from the snopark to the fire dept. through the trees that many snowmobilers probably never have even noticed. Also the Parks dept. has taken away access to the parking lot that was reserved for trollhaugen and residents of the sawmill flats area, which is where Beasley had parked prior to the closing of the lot, with the excuse that they dont have the budget to plow it. When many residents are willing to and have the equipment to plow it themselves if thats what it takes to have access to their homes.
Many residents live up there year round such as the McCormic residence and Odonnel residence (the caboose right outside of the snopark on the right). A few years back Pat Odonnel had a heart complecation and it was 3 hours before EMT's could get to him, which happens to be the closest residence to the snopark (about a quarter mile down the main road). The next closest being another half mile and Beasleys almost a full mile from the snopark.
Ask yourself, if you owned a cabin/home at crystal springs, would you want winter access? and if so suggest what actions you would take to gain the access knowing what already has bein done in the efforts of obtaining access. Rather than making insults, and making false claims, he doesnt want our snopark closed, he wants to be able to get to his house

You think a heart felt story about some home owner's heart condition is gonna sway the opinion of 50,000 park users?? Are you high on crack?
In a time when our right to ride is being attacked from several different angles this "Beasley" thinks it wise to suedo shut down the biggest snow park in the state?? These are all questions i dont need you to answer...i already know why! And the way i understand it is he knew exactly where his property was located (adjacent to snow park) and how it was utilized for winter recreation...No sympathy here! You sir are a douche!
 
The Beasley household from everything I have read( and that is quite abit of research) about his approach's to this situation---he apparently does not understand you catch more with honey than slinging Poop at them--they are the government--once on their bad side--always on their bad side---in fact the best thing the rest of the residents of Sawmill Flats could do---Is DISTANCE themselves from this guy.

And yes--he knew how it was when he bought his property in 99--What made him think by being a dope with the USFS and Wa SP's he would make any headway in what he was after. Even a blind judge could see his trail and what he is trying to do by going around the right way of doing it. I know someone with a cabin in there as well---they live with the way it is--they sled in in the winter--with his cash--By a snowcat and deal with it---WAAAAAAA--wish I had his money.

I personally do not use this snowpark but maybe, just maybe once a year, but the threat of one (or 16)being more important than that of over 40,000---I don't think so!!!
 
some other facts. bill bought his prop at stampede pass because he was always snowmobiling there. (it's not next to the snowpark) at the time he and all the other saw mill flats homeowners were given a parking area with a gate to lock there cars and yes paul,bills snowcat.that has been used by s & r to bring out several hurt snowmobilers out over the years. a few years ago the st park took their parking away. they were told to park their snowcats and personal vehicals in the general parking area at their own risk. how many of you would leve your equipt up there completely unprotected for days and weeks? none of us would............ so the sawmill flats owners own a parking area at the power line on the rightside next to the fire sta. all they want is a way to get there.you know like a dual purpose road. easy fix rite. not with our governing bodies. the homeowners have been told they would be taken care of.they havent been so bill made a statement by plowing last year. got a ticket then was able to start a lawsuit. we know the outcome. i agree that suits are not always the thing to do. but put yourselves in bill's and the other home owners.(who, by the way were on the suit also)shoe's what would you do? prob the same thing. ed.
 
NO,

What he did was react without thinking---Now he has more enemies than he ever thought. He should have thought this out more before the attack!!

Although--dealing with the state and FED is what it is!!

Trying to shut out 40,000+ users of the states largest snow park----DUHR---BAD MOVE.
 
Do you really think he is trying to shut down the snow park, or is he trying to force state parks / the fs to work with him on a solution?

If it was my property this is how i would have handled it...

I would have let the snowmobile community know what i was dealing with first. I for one would be inclined to try and help out a fellow sledder in any way i could. By explaining these issues (on this forum for example) could have led him to just the right person or persons to help him with the access problem.
INSTEAD... he decides to publicly air our dirty laundry(metaphorically speaking)
in a very public suit against the state. By doing this he fuels the fires for those organizations trying to shut us out of mountains. If you dont agree with that last statement you must be ignorant to the current and on going attacks on public access!?
NOW...instead of having 50,000 allies he has made 50,000 enemies.
I am convinced he has alienated the very group who could have helped him the most!
 
All the owners in that area puchased the property knowing they would not have vehicle access in the winter. Now they want it.

I say tough luck.

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some other facts. bill bought his prop at stampede pass because he was always snowmobiling there. (it's not next to the snowpark) at the time he and all the other saw mill flats homeowners were given a parking area with a gate to lock there cars and yes paul,bills snowcat.that has been used by s & r to bring out several hurt snowmobilers out over the years. a few years ago the st park took their parking away. they were told to park their snowcats and personal vehicals in the general parking area at their own risk. how many of you would leve your equipt up there completely unprotected for days and weeks? none of us would............ so the sawmill flats owners own a parking area at the power line on the rightside next to the fire sta. all they want is a way to get there. ed.

So I do know a little bit about real estate and easements, but I am not a lawyer.

Sounds like they never had a legal easement from state parks to access their private parking area during winter. If they were "given a parking area to use with a locked gate", then it must have been temporary permission to access their parking area across state park owned land, and that permission can be and was taken away. If it were a legal recorded easement to access their parking lot across state park land, state parks could not have revoked the easement.

Knowing that the main FS RD 5400 could not be plowed in the winter, I never would have bought property in there for year round use without a permanent legally recorded alternate access easement for winter access.
 
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i have been reading all of this and trying to stay out of it BUT i am really tired of hearing all of this talk about parking access for the land owners and having medical issues and it takes 3+ hours to get help blah, blah f**k**g BLAH.

its as simple as this:

you moved to the mountains where it snows (weird concept right?) maybe if you knew that you were moving to a remote area you would make sure that you can get to and from your house BY YOURSELF and not help from the state and or goverment (cause we all know how fast they work). if i was to move to a remote area say like the mountains where it snows and you can be trapped there due to the snow i would make sure that i could get in and out with ease. like people have been saying this guy is making ALOT of enemies, i tell you what i wouldnt help this guy even if he wanted to pay me.

im tired of all these fing people who are trying to shut down great places for us residents, this is kinda like what is happening over east of the mountains at Cresecnt Bar, its a dam shame...hopefully we will win this one. thats my two cents on this.
 
Dog musher checking in.... we're keeping a close eye on this as well. THANK YOU for all the updates.

FWIW there are quite a few vacation/cabin type homes in upper Kitt. co. that can only be reached by snowmobile in the winter. I don't hear any of them making legal demands that someone plow their road because of a medical emergency. General consensus is that this is what you signed on for when you opted for solitude over convenience, and you just gotta take your lumps as they come if/when crap happens (had an ex co worker who once had to sled a new hot water heater in to his place in the middle of winter... fun times...).

If you want a plowed road to your house, you can move to a place where that happens. There are plenty to choose from.

I don't understand what's so difficult about this concept.
 
i have been reading all of this and trying to stay out of it BUT i am really tired of hearing all of this talk about parking access for the land owners and having medical issues and it takes 3+ hours to get help blah, blah f**k**g BLAH.

its as simple as this:

you moved to the mountains where it snows (weird concept right?) maybe if you knew that you were moving to a remote area you would make sure that you can get to and from your house BY YOURSELF and not help from the state and or goverment (cause we all know how fast they work). if i was to move to a remote area say like the mountains where it snows and you can be trapped there due to the snow i would make sure that i could get in and out with ease. like people have been saying this guy is making ALOT of enemies, i tell you what i wouldnt help this guy even if he wanted to pay me.

im tired of all these fing people who are trying to shut down great places for us residents, this is kinda like what is happening over east of the mountains at Cresecnt Bar, its a dam shame...hopefully we will win this one. thats my two cents on this.
Very well said. Can't agree more.
 
Do you really think he is trying to shut down the snow park, or is he trying to force state parks / the fs to work with him on a solution?

You are doing just like the newspaper---taking that satement out of context---

No---He is thinking of one and one only---1 versus 40,000---bad idea to use them as pawns in his game.

He knew what he bought when he bought it--Tough Luck ---

He needs to "Pull up his big girl panties and SUCK IT UP"
 
I have been trying to stay out of this and hope to continue to do so, but I think that you guys would have some more compassion if you were all aware of the lies and abuse these people have suffered at the hands of State Parks and especially the USFS in that area.

In exchange for not plowing the 5400 road, the USFS gave the residents a private parking area and at one time promised to build storage buildings in the lot for the residents to use as garages....then new ranger shows up and no buildings....OK they can live with just a secure private lot....new ranger shows up now they are going to lease that lot to the DOT for 20 years to store road debris from I90 project in exchange for revamping the snopark and homeowners are told they will no longer have a place to park and if the snopark is full when they come to their homes they are out of luck and can't park, including those that live there full time....not to mention the letter they have from one of the rangers offering to plow 5400 road and move the snopark traffic out of a different exit etc.

When many of these people bought in the area, they were fed a large pile of BS by the State and USFS and are just tired of being lied to and having their property and homes disregarded by the agencies and want some attention given to their problems....they have tried for several years to "work" with the agencies on these problems and have gotten nowhere on it.
 
I have been trying to stay out of this and hope to continue to do so, but I think that you guys would have some more compassion if you were all aware of the lies and abuse these people have suffered at the hands of State Parks and especially the USFS in that area.

In exchange for not plowing the 5400 road, the USFS gave the residents a private parking area and at one time promised to build storage buildings in the lot for the residents to use as garages....then new ranger shows up and no buildings....OK they can live with just a secure private lot....new ranger shows up now they are going to lease that lot to the DOT for 20 years to store road debris from I90 project in exchange for revamping the snopark and homeowners are told they will no longer have a place to park and if the snopark is full when they come to their homes they are out of luck and can't park, including those that live there full time....not to mention the letter they have from one of the rangers offering to plow 5400 road and move the snopark traffic out of a different exit etc.

When many of these people bought in the area, they were fed a large pile of BS by the State and USFS and are just tired of being lied to and having their property and homes disregarded by the agencies and want some attention given to their problems....they have tried for several years to "work" with the agencies on these problems and have gotten nowhere on it.


ITS THE STATE-when do they ever say or do what they said they will do. The state took my fathers land that his busness was on for the 405 expansion in Kirkland and needed the land to park equipment on just like what's going on here and they have finally started using it for what they said which was for storaging equipment which was 5 yrs ago. Like we have been saying they knew what they all signed up for when they decided to move up there. They made their bed and they need to sleep in it even if they don't want to.
 
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