Do you get a new jack shaft and track shaft with the c3 system?
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Ok my .02,
Besides this both being belt drive systems I don't think you can compare these as apple to apple systems.
I am sure the c3 system is a huge upgrade to the stock Polaris system, mainly because you get a much better belt and a tensioner for the belt and pullies. And that's about it if I am reading their website correctly.
With the cmx system you get a pulleys, belt tensioner, gates belt, track shaft, jack shaft, a drop and rolled system, machined 4 brake caliper. It's a complete new system from your secondary clutch to your track. And if you have a '13 pro you know that is a weak link to the pro. (No more special collar on the track shaft)
Another thing I noticed and again my .02 the cmx tensioner is on the inside of the belt putting tension on the inside making the belt more of a circle than with the c3 system that is on the out side and push the belt in causing almost a figure 8 in the belt. I think that the cmx would have less resistance and would be less restricted to go around the pullies. But at the same time the c3 does have more teeth on the pullies due to the belt being pushed into the pullies. I guess that could be a plus. But I haven't heard of many cmx belts being stripped so that is almost a non issue.
Hope this helps
Besides this both being belt drive systems I don't think you can compare these as apple to apple systems.
I am sure the c3 system is a huge upgrade to the stock Polaris system, mainly because you get a much better belt and a tensioner for the belt and pullies. And that's about it if I am reading their website correctly.
With the cmx system you get a pulleys, belt tensioner, gates belt, track shaft, jack shaft, a drop and rolled system, machined 4 brake caliper. It's a complete new system from your secondary clutch to your track. And if you have a '13 pro you know that is a weak link to the pro. (No more special collar on the track shaft)
Another thing I noticed and again my .02 the cmx tensioner is on the inside of the belt putting tension on the inside making the belt more of a circle than with the c3 system that is on the out side and push the belt in causing almost a figure 8 in the belt. I think that the cmx would have less resistance and would be less restricted to go around the pullies. But at the same time the c3 does have more teeth on the pullies due to the belt being pushed into the pullies. I guess that could be a plus. But I haven't heard of many cmx belts being stripped so that is almost a non issue.
Hope this helps
Long and short, either option is a great one. One costs more than the other, but you get more with it. 99% of the time I'd spare no expense and get a CMX, but seeing as how I plan on going back to school and my disposable income is shrinking the C3 is the better fit for me and my riding areas don't necessitate a driveshaft brake in the event of a belt failure. If I had a '13 Pro and had to constantly worry about driveshaft failure, I'd sell a kidney and get the CMX.
IMO the differences in "efficiency" btwn the C3 and CMX are going to be undetectable by the majority of us....if not all of us.
IMO the differences in "efficiency" btwn the C3 and CMX are going to be undetectable by the majority of us....if not all of us.
KC and Lane great a valid points. Im just about to the point of making my decision. My be just me but i think cmx is totally avoiding me because he doesnt want something to come out that would hurt him selling his system. He has totally ghosted this post after me bringing to his attention that he either missed or avoided a few of my questions. Pretty funny he has been glued to this thread fairly heavy and then all of a sudden. I figured i would give it a few more days for him to respond before i call it a day. Just hope people see this and ask some of the same things i did. If i have to call him to get info, when he is already on here that tells me i wouldn't get honest answers. Just blows me away. seems like a pretty reasonable request by a customer for a vendor to want to tell every aspect of the product they are wanting to sell. cmx have i offended you? I havent said one thing that i recall to bash your product. i have actually praised a few things about it. I dont think i am the only one on this forum that would like to know more about your system. Might just be me but if your not going to relay "ALL" the information about your product then why bother posting anything? It just looks like you have things to hide. JMHO
I don't think there is a more honest, great to deal, with guy in the industry then Mark at cmx. If you call and talk to him I sure you would see that. Honestly if I had over a decade of R&D into a product. I would want to air everything out over the Internet. I am not saying that is what's happening, just my opinion. I have talked to mark a couple times about his products and he has been more than helpful with my questions.
I don't think there is a more honest, great to deal, with guy in the industry then Mark at cmx. If you call and talk to him I sure you would see that. Honestly if I had over a decade of R&D into a product. I would want to air everything out over the Internet. I am not saying that is what's happening, just my opinion. I have talked to mark a couple times about his products and he has been more than helpful with my questions.
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TheJett29
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Moly may,
Mark is probably not getting back to you because he is out riding/testing. Pretty common thing for guys like him. If I knew the answers I would help you out but all I know is what I have works great. We are getting one from c3 for another sled but not sure when we will get it on then onto the snow, hopefully turbo days at Lolo.
Later
Jett
Mark is probably not getting back to you because he is out riding/testing. Pretty common thing for guys like him. If I knew the answers I would help you out but all I know is what I have works great. We are getting one from c3 for another sled but not sure when we will get it on then onto the snow, hopefully turbo days at Lolo.
Later
Jett
Not so Rick. sorry if anyone is taking it that way. Not in the least my intentions. Run back through the post and you may see my point. I was very diligent as to try to stay on here when he was posting, even during my breaks and lunch times durring work. lazy is not even close. Anybody can seem to be a class act when they are trying to sell you something. I thought this forum was partly to let the vendors give information publicly and be first hand, not, second. Maybe i took it personally and shouldnt have, but by him avoiding me tells me exactly what i suspected..not wanting to depordize sales. Think about it for a second. Pretty easy to clear the air for him. Respond to the questions. Dont think for a second he hasnt been standing in the shadows reading every word..now that's the character test. My 75 post limits almost up, and im moving on. No hard feelings, and thanks to the guys that posted.
Moly,
Pick up the phone and call him. I know for a fact that Mark has more to do then sit on this site and spar with you. He has been so busy that I'm surprised he even posted here. Listen to what people are telling you and call him. He is an open and honest guy. He is even kind of nice.
Pick up the phone and call him. I know for a fact that Mark has more to do then sit on this site and spar with you. He has been so busy that I'm surprised he even posted here. Listen to what people are telling you and call him. He is an open and honest guy. He is even kind of nice.
To all forum guys. Thank you for your comments, both positive and not so positive. We have been very busy and I apologize for not answering all of the questions. I am happy to do so on the forum, or on the phone. We have nothing to hide and our product speaks for itself through the words of the people who have spent their hard earned cash to purchase it.
Some fasteners are 7075 Aluminum and some are Stainless Steel and our latest brake studs are made of tool steel. The brake disc is chrome molly. We are not using titanium fasteners anymore because of the cost to benefit ratio.
Please feel free to ask any question you like (here or on the phone) and if I know the answer, I will respond when I can. 406-686-4921 Mark Hoffman
Some fasteners are 7075 Aluminum and some are Stainless Steel and our latest brake studs are made of tool steel. The brake disc is chrome molly. We are not using titanium fasteners anymore because of the cost to benefit ratio.
Please feel free to ask any question you like (here or on the phone) and if I know the answer, I will respond when I can. 406-686-4921 Mark Hoffman
Thanks Mark. Im sure you are busy. My other question was the weight. What would a guy expect to lose with your system. There is no dispute especially with the guys that have it that it is of great quality, but rotating mass is a factor as well as just the weight of the whole package in general. Like i said before the c3 claims at least 4 maybe 6 lbs. On a pro with chain drive what would be the loss going from that to yours. Thanks again for taking the time.
MM... give him a call and then post the answer up here... probably the fastest way.
Most vendors (not all to be fair) do not spend much time on the forums... the ones that do are Gems for sure, but you cant expect vendors to always be here... nice when they are though.
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Most vendors (not all to be fair) do not spend much time on the forums... the ones that do are Gems for sure, but you cant expect vendors to always be here... nice when they are though.
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Break time. I am swapping cranks in 2 2013 CFI 2 engines to run Brad's (PAR) long rod kits in 2 CMX-X NA sleds that will be installed tomorrow. This afternoon we will be running up to the mountains to do some testing.
Since we don't normally do installs here, I do not have the actual numbers that you are looking for. But what really matters is does this system perform better, and the answer is BIG TIME! Hope this helps. Thanks,
Ok lets face it. If the cmx system was lighter you would be all over it with numbers. Again, not calling anyone out, or trying to start a fight, just trying to determine my best option and help others to do the same publicly without going through hear say. The Par long rod kit had absoulutely nothing to do with the belt drive, or any of my questions but thanks for taking the time to plug the info. With respect, im done...Break time. I am swapping cranks in 2 2013 CFI 2 engines to run Brad's (PAR) long rod kits in 2 CMX-X NA sleds that will be installed tomorrow. This afternoon we will be running up to the mountains to do some testing.
Since we don't normally do installs here, I do not have the actual numbers that you are looking for. But what really matters is does this system perform better, and the answer is BIG TIME! Hope this helps. Thanks,
I'll say it... Weight savings, IMO, will not be part of the CMX "draw", but I'd wager it is approx the same weight plus the weight of the tensioner...
The precision build and overall quality are the draw of the system...
The precision build and overall quality are the draw of the system...
IMO people like Moly May aren't smart enough to figure that out. Look back at the C3 post & the .61lb.... This dumba$$ is soo hung up on a pound it's not even funny. Maybe Mark doesn't want to post the weight or rotating mass of his kit BTW that's his right. The CMX drive speaks for it self as it's by far the most proven belt drive out there. I hope Mark doesn't sell his drive system to Moly May as your not SMART ENOUGH to own one. People like M M pi$$ me off because they won't get on the phone and get their own info. They just want to air it all on a public forum & expect a vendor to answer every little question that they can come up with.
Moly May is as smart as the engineers that can up with the QD... That's not saying much!!!
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Exactly how I feel. I asked him straight away the weight and he answered "It is a little heavier". I think his system is superior by far but IMO not worth the extra cash (FOR ME) since you can put the fix on your OEM shaft. Some guys will say its worth it they just may have more disposable income. Either way its a nice set up and I wont take that from him.
As for MM asking him to reply on the forum I am glad he is asking for this as we ALL can see the answer and after all thats why we are here! After all would you really want a new product vetted here with nothing more than....."its great!, Best thing ever" type of replies. I really dont think CMX is avoiding him either they are just busy.
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How can you compare weight between a c3 system and a cmx system-
C3 looks like it use the inside of the chain case, so that has to count as weight of the system, the pullies and a huge belt tensioner system.
Cmx you get rid on the chain case completely, get a new cnc machined plate that the pullies are mounted on, has to be the same weight if not lighter than the chain case. The same machined pullies and a tensioner that is a third of the size of the c3 system.
They both look like they use gates belts so that would be the same.
As far as the extra weight if any of the two shafts, the piece of mind just know they won't fall apart is worth 25 extra pounds to me.
I am by no means saying the c3 system doesn't work or isn't an upgrade from your current qd/chain case setup, but it can't be compared to the cmx system.
A wise lady (my mom) always told me you will get what you pay for in life.
Mm, to say you are done because you think Mark owes you all his information over this forum is ridiculous, I agree with yamasexual on this one. You aren't grasping the concept here. There is more to a system then .61 pounds blah blah blah.
C3 looks like it use the inside of the chain case, so that has to count as weight of the system, the pullies and a huge belt tensioner system.
Cmx you get rid on the chain case completely, get a new cnc machined plate that the pullies are mounted on, has to be the same weight if not lighter than the chain case. The same machined pullies and a tensioner that is a third of the size of the c3 system.
They both look like they use gates belts so that would be the same.
As far as the extra weight if any of the two shafts, the piece of mind just know they won't fall apart is worth 25 extra pounds to me.
I am by no means saying the c3 system doesn't work or isn't an upgrade from your current qd/chain case setup, but it can't be compared to the cmx system.
A wise lady (my mom) always told me you will get what you pay for in life.
Mm, to say you are done because you think Mark owes you all his information over this forum is ridiculous, I agree with yamasexual on this one. You aren't grasping the concept here. There is more to a system then .61 pounds blah blah blah.
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Insaneboltrounder/sjohns
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I guessing cmx just a avoided a headache. 
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