There's no reason the Montana guys can't go back, and hold their own meeting. Just getting a FS guy to show up, might be difficult.
Clearwater National Forest DEIS
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No one else going to this meeting?
If you are, you might want to bone up, and have some questions to ask.
http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/Action_Alerts/09/SAWS_Action_Alert_-_CNF_Travel_Plan_-_DEIS.htm
If you are, you might want to bone up, and have some questions to ask.
http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/Action_Alerts/09/SAWS_Action_Alert_-_CNF_Travel_Plan_-_DEIS.htm
wade
I cleared my schedule to be able to make the meeting. Do you have any questions that you want asked. if so pm me.
I will do my best to represent saws.
Westmont pretty much nailed it.
here is some pics taken over the last 4-5 years.
tim
I cleared my schedule to be able to make the meeting. Do you have any questions that you want asked. if so pm me.
I will do my best to represent saws.
Westmont pretty much nailed it.
here is some pics taken over the last 4-5 years.
tim
last nights meeting in orofino
Well I went to the meeting last night. 5 1\2 hours of driving for 2 1\2 hours of meeting. The forest service talked and explained the different alternatives.
The meeting was attended by the local chamber of commerce, local dealers, the Idaho dept of parks and lands, a representative of Senator Risch a large delegation of the Idaho state snowmobile association, local users and a saws representative. The groups where glad to see someone from saws at the meetings. Everyone there was in support of snowmobiling and the main talk of the meeting was on the great burn since there will be no closure of groomed trails in any of the viable alternative, which are b, c, and d.
Doug Goober the lead forest service worker on this deis did let us know that alt a cannot be selected. It is the base line to show what the real alternative change.
Sandra Mitchell reinforced to all of us present that alt a cannot be selected as an alternative. Doug also stated that alternative b does meet the legal needs of change and is a viable option. However he also reinforced that the forest service is not a democracy and if you right letters in support of a, you are wasting your time. Sandra and I also felt this way as so did everyone else in the room.
Please when you write letters to the forest service go with alt b. Alt a is a waste of everyone time and energy. The forest service is saying they wont even consider it. Lets be unitied for once since this is the alt that everyone at the meeting is going to push.
thanks
tim
Well I went to the meeting last night. 5 1\2 hours of driving for 2 1\2 hours of meeting. The forest service talked and explained the different alternatives.
The meeting was attended by the local chamber of commerce, local dealers, the Idaho dept of parks and lands, a representative of Senator Risch a large delegation of the Idaho state snowmobile association, local users and a saws representative. The groups where glad to see someone from saws at the meetings. Everyone there was in support of snowmobiling and the main talk of the meeting was on the great burn since there will be no closure of groomed trails in any of the viable alternative, which are b, c, and d.
Doug Goober the lead forest service worker on this deis did let us know that alt a cannot be selected. It is the base line to show what the real alternative change.
Sandra Mitchell reinforced to all of us present that alt a cannot be selected as an alternative. Doug also stated that alternative b does meet the legal needs of change and is a viable option. However he also reinforced that the forest service is not a democracy and if you right letters in support of a, you are wasting your time. Sandra and I also felt this way as so did everyone else in the room.
Please when you write letters to the forest service go with alt b. Alt a is a waste of everyone time and energy. The forest service is saying they wont even consider it. Lets be unitied for once since this is the alt that everyone at the meeting is going to push.
thanks
tim
Tim, THANK you!!! That helps a lot. I was going to pick Alt A because I don't believe they have the right to keep turning public land into wilderness or whatever, but if it hurts the cause I won't vote A.
I was at the meeting to and Tim is right Alt B is the way we should be going. Alt B is much like Alt A with the bare min changes that they are required to make. I already sent off a comment letter stating that I would only support A but I will send in another notifying them that I have changed my mind.
Tim, did they explain what "the legal needs of change" were?
There was a lot of confusion about Alternative A being selected by SAWS and Montana Snowmobile Clubs, so I ask for it in writing. Here's what the forest sevice says. I think this says, your comments will NOT be ignored.
BTW, SAWS just makes recommendatations, you are absolutely free to come to your own conclusion. If asking for Alternative B makes you more comfortable, then by all means please do so. Alt A and Alt B are almost exactly the same. Heck, I may put Alternative B on my own personal comments, but I'll ask that the forest wide closure be rolled back to November 4th, too. The important part, is you consider all the data, and write a comment letter, that's all I'm asking.
I did run across one new piece of info you may want to include in your comments. Tell the forest service that they should not finalize the Travel Plan, until the Forest Plan is complete.
Thanks, Wade
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Hello, Mr. Patrick. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.
Please feel free to forward this response to other members of the
snowmobile community.
All of the comments about the Clearwater National Forest's Travel Planning
Draft EIS, including those about Alternative A, will be considered by the
decisionmaker when making his/her decision. The Final EIS, which we
expect to publish in the spring of 2010, will include a response to the
comments that were received for the Draft EIS.
It is important to understand that commenting is not a voting process.
Your comments will be used to refine the alternatives and analysis that
were presented in the Draft EIS. If a hundred comments are received that
say "I prefer Alternative A," the process will work the same as if only
one commenter had said "I prefer alternative A." It is the comment
itself that is important, not the number of times the comment is repeated.
Comments should be as specific as possible. The most useful comments are
those that are focused on specific issues, the effects of the alternatives
presented in the DEIS, the analysis itself, and site-specific information
within the project area, to name a few examples.
Thanks again for your interest in the Clearwater National Forest's Travel
Planning process.
-- Lois Foster
Lois Foster IDT Leader/NEPA Coordinator
Clearwater National Forest
Kamiah Ranger Station
208-935-4258
BTW, SAWS just makes recommendatations, you are absolutely free to come to your own conclusion. If asking for Alternative B makes you more comfortable, then by all means please do so. Alt A and Alt B are almost exactly the same. Heck, I may put Alternative B on my own personal comments, but I'll ask that the forest wide closure be rolled back to November 4th, too. The important part, is you consider all the data, and write a comment letter, that's all I'm asking.
I did run across one new piece of info you may want to include in your comments. Tell the forest service that they should not finalize the Travel Plan, until the Forest Plan is complete.
Thanks, Wade
===============================================================
Hello, Mr. Patrick. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts.
Please feel free to forward this response to other members of the
snowmobile community.
All of the comments about the Clearwater National Forest's Travel Planning
Draft EIS, including those about Alternative A, will be considered by the
decisionmaker when making his/her decision. The Final EIS, which we
expect to publish in the spring of 2010, will include a response to the
comments that were received for the Draft EIS.
It is important to understand that commenting is not a voting process.
Your comments will be used to refine the alternatives and analysis that
were presented in the Draft EIS. If a hundred comments are received that
say "I prefer Alternative A," the process will work the same as if only
one commenter had said "I prefer alternative A." It is the comment
itself that is important, not the number of times the comment is repeated.
Comments should be as specific as possible. The most useful comments are
those that are focused on specific issues, the effects of the alternatives
presented in the DEIS, the analysis itself, and site-specific information
within the project area, to name a few examples.
Thanks again for your interest in the Clearwater National Forest's Travel
Planning process.
-- Lois Foster
Lois Foster IDT Leader/NEPA Coordinator
Clearwater National Forest
Kamiah Ranger Station
208-935-4258
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