Chinese turbo's. Who's kit uses them?

[standup06]

All I know is my 2012 Silber Turbo kit, hands down makes more power and has the best throttle response of all of the other Pro RMK turbo kits I rode with this year. Thats boost for boost.

Including kits with intercoolers.

The only other kit that would pull mine boost for boost was a twisted with a large 2876, and it took it almost a mile to pass me.

Keep up the good work silber, your setup rips.

 

[Boston Racing]

Who cares where the turbo is made? Justin puts out a great running, reliable kit. If all you can do is question the source of his parts that's pretty lame. Justin's kits are affordable, reliable and dependable.

I don't know the origin of the parts in Silber kits, I just know they flat out work.

 

[Boston Racing]

Just got some info from Justin.

Turbos are made in the Czech replublic to HIS specs. The turbos are made from German bearings, chinese castings and a bunch of other parts from who knows where. Bottom line is he switched from precision and garrett because of failure rates and they had a tendancy to deny warranty claims. I am a dealer and have had no turbo problems because of an "imported" turbo.

Justin is having a problem with getting on so I am posting this on his behalf. It may not be 100% but Im close

While folks are worried about the source of parts we will be out riding the best turbo kit out there....not to mention the best value.

Heaven forbid we all look into the sourcing of parts for our big american "made" diesel trucks....Im sure they are also made with imported components.



Has anybody had a 2012 Silber turbo fail for any reason other that a faulty install or running it out of oil?

 

[Boston Racing]

Interesting read. Allegedly from a disgruntled employee. I cant find anything stating the Garrett is made in the US with US made components. If that was the case they would proudly advertise it.

Originally Posted by mbtech
I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.

Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If you’re building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywell’s golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru’s. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.

We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please don’t spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that it’s costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.

Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I don’t care about grammar I’m concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and don’t forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away

(They still use the garret stamp on the turbos)

 

[TurboMatt]

Aren't aerochargers still made in the US? Guess we'll all have to start buying those.

 

[CANDYMAN]

OK well talked to the buddy with this kit after he rode the last two days in Revy and he sled worked unreal.
He changed the fuel regulator, fuel controller, and added a XIC Tmap Interceptor and the sled ran spot on all day.
I guess the Chinese turbo worked pretty good. He said the throttle response was amazing.

 

[theshadowrider]

Come on lets call a "spade" a "spade." Why does anybody outsource......$$$ To help the bottom line! Not trying to argue the business practice of outsourcing, just saying don't claim its because of something else like warranty, quality or service when the motivating factor is cost.

 

[EZmoney]

OK well talked to the buddy with this kit after he rode the last two days in Revy and he sled worked unreal.
He changed the fuel regulator, fuel controller, and added a XIC Tmap Interceptor and the sled ran spot on all day.
I guess the Chinese turbo worked pretty good. He said the throttle response was amazing.

Hmmm good to know.. Back when i had a yamaha i was thinking of getting a boost it fuel box seeing alot of guys had good luck. Some guys running them now with two strokes from what im reading but i have not seen on yet. I think ill get ahold of nm and order one and give it a try.. My kit works well but more tuneability would be nice

 

[jsandgren10]

Hmmm good to know.. Back when i had a yamaha i was thinking of getting a boost it fuel box seeing alot of guys had good luck. Some guys running them now with two strokes from what im reading but i have not seen on yet. I think ill get ahold of nm and order one and give it a try.. My kit works well but more tuneability would be nice

Keep me updated if you go that route on boost it. I would like to know if his controller will work with our injectors. Mine is running good but seems to load up a little on long slow trail rides. It runs fine but when you hit wot it sort of stutters till it gets cleaned out.

 

[EZmoney]

I think it will work real well,as far as i know it will work with our injectors . Neil also ties into the intake sensor as well. From what understand it made the bottom end and mid run cleaner yet.. For sure though ill post my results and thoughts. I can see alot of guys switching if it works like i hear it does.

 

[JSCC]

Just got some info from Justin.

Turbos are made in the Czech replublic to HIS specs. The turbos are made from German bearings, chinese castings and a bunch of other parts from who knows where. Bottom line is he switched from precision and garrett because of failure rates and they had a tendancy to deny warranty claims. I am a dealer and have had no turbo problems because of an "imported" turbo.

Justin is having a problem with getting on so I am posting this on his behalf. It may not be 100% but Im close

While folks are worried about the source of parts we will be out riding the best turbo kit out there....not to mention the best value.

Heaven forbid we all look into the sourcing of parts for our big american "made" diesel trucks....Im sure they are also made with imported components.



Has anybody had a 2012 Silber turbo fail for any reason other that a faulty install or running it out of oil?

My turbo will only build 10lbs of boost because all my boost gets lost through the turbo into the oil tank. There is your one failure. I also know of two other turbos that have went down that he replaced. I emailed Justin over a month ago without a response. There is also your customer service that is rated so high. I bought a kit after speaking with him personally that he would guarantee my sled would build 15lbs of boost and if I was not happy he would make it right. Kind of hard to be happy when all it builds is 10lbs and he will not get back with his customers.
If we should not be worried about his source and he will not get back with his customers, how are we to fix the cheap arse turbos?

 

[JSCC]

I think it will work real well,as far as i know it will work with our injectors . Neil also ties into the intake sensor as well. From what understand it made the bottom end and mid run cleaner yet.. For sure though ill post my results and thoughts. I can see alot of guys switching if it works like i hear it does.

I was just told that the few folks that have swapped over to the BD EBC and fuel box have had great results as well. Cleaned up the bottom end and stopped the mid range lean spot. I think they said it was $800 or so to do the swap. I heard it took them a little bit to get the fueling on but once there they no longer touch it.
Just some food for thought.

 

[Going West]

^^^ I totally agree, the dobeck style boxes are the simplest but the poorest box to trouble shoot and fine tune with.

 

[tdorval]

Have you tried calling Justin? I've never really tried emailing but he usually calls me right back if I leave a message, I've bugged the hell out of that man and he usually calls me right back willing to help. Dealers have also been a help to me, I find it weird you can't run more than 10lbs, I usually run 10-12 but know of others with this kit that are running more than that with out issue... I'll agree on not being crazy about the boxes, thats about the only thing I don't like in this kit...

 

[JSCC]

Have you tried calling Justin? I've never really tried emailing but he usually calls me right back if I leave a message, I've bugged the hell out of that man and he usually calls me right back willing to help. Dealers have also been a help to me, I find it weird you can't run more than 10lbs, I usually run 10-12 but know of others with this kit that are running more than that with out issue... I'll agree on not being crazy about the boxes, thats about the only thing I don't like in this kit...

No I havent. I used email when I bought the kit and he had no problem calling me right back when he wanted my money. I know that my setup has an issue. I thought for a while it was an install issue until after two tear downs I built a boost leak tester and found my issue. I do not blame him for the issue, I just want it fixed. If not I will put a garret on it and be done.
I was merely commenting on the thread at hand and the issue that having a second rate turbo on these kits presents. Had it been a Garret I could have had it fixed from a hundred different suppliers, or Garret themselves. With this turbo I am stuck waiting for one person to answer his customers.

 

[tdorval]

I follow. I'd definitely give him a call then. What exactly is going on then? Just curious is all.

 

[Boston Racing]

My turbo will only build 10lbs of boost because all my boost gets lost through the turbo into the oil tank. There is your one failure. I also know of two other turbos that have went down that he replaced. I emailed Justin over a month ago without a response. There is also your customer service that is rated so high. I bought a kit after speaking with him personally that he would guarantee my sled would build 15lbs of boost and if I was not happy he would make it right. Kind of hard to be happy when all it builds is 10lbs and he will not get back with his customers.
If we should not be worried about his source and he will not get back with his customers, how are we to fix the cheap arse turbos?

Call me, I PM'd you my number

 

[jsandgren10]

Sounds like an issue,I could hit 15psi all day long with no problem.

Silbers kit kicks ***, I know people that have the BD and stumbles on the bottom end when running low speed too long

 

[EZmoney]

Sounds like an issue,I could hit 15psi all day long with no problem.

Silbers kit kicks ***, I know people that have the BD and stumbles on the bottom end when running low speed too long

Ya i will agree mine pulls very hard.. Haha harder than i thought it would!

 

[joshkoltes]

My turbo will only build 10lbs of boost because all my boost gets lost through the turbo into the oil tank. There is your one failure. I also know of two other turbos that have went down that he replaced. I emailed Justin over a month ago without a response. There is also your customer service that is rated so high. I bought a kit after speaking with him personally that he would guarantee my sled would build 15lbs of boost and if I was not happy he would make it right. Kind of hard to be happy when all it builds is 10lbs and he will not get back with his customers.
If we should not be worried about his source and he will not get back with his customers, how are we to fix the cheap arse turbos?[/QUOTE]

did yours bloww off the oil tank cap? mine blew out and i can only find nine lbs, and mine backfires when pinched from a slow cruise. has a nasty bog on the bottom as well. did you have similar symtoms?