Can we change the name of fouled plug?

[ruffryder]

lol u have no idea. and "conspiracy theory" is a phrase meant for close minded unaware people, who will hear the phrase and then automatically completely ignore the matter. and most conspiracy theories now days that were denied are now proven, and no one is denying them anymore.

well, then now is your chance to enlighten me.....

 

[snowmobilesrme]

well, then now is your chance to enlighten me.....

remember Chemtrails? first they were denied by the people who were accused of doing it. well duh... if you were accused of doing something that was f'd up, you would deny it too.

lab results came back, and social networking/social media helped word spread like wildfire. that, mixed with a little common sense found them guilty.

now they're admitting it, talking about it on the news, explaining their reasonings as to why they do it,

but funny thing is, they have 3 different reasons why they're doing it.

remember FEMA concentration camps? at first, denied. "no such thing, im sick of hearin about it, they would never", etc.

because of social networking/social media, a little common sense, and some not so slick government people, it is now admitted. and talked about, and mentioned on some news stations.

if you call censorship of the people a conspiracy, you are very misinformed by some very misinformed people.

 

[ruffryder]

remember Chemtrails? first they were denied by the people who were accused of doing it. well duh... if you were accused of doing something that was f'd up, you would deny it too.

lab results came back, and social networking/social media helped word spread like wildfire. that, mixed with a little common sense found them guilty.

now they're admitting it, talking about it on the news, explaining their reasonings as to why they do it,

but funny thing is, they have 3 different reasons why they're doing it.

remember FEMA concentration camps? at first, denied. "no such thing, im sick of hearin about it, they would never", etc.

because of social networking/social media, a little common sense, and some not so slick government people, it is now admitted. and talked about, and mentioned on some news stations.

if you call censorship of the people a conspiracy, you are very misinformed by some very misinformed people.

links to sources? information?

 

[snowmobilesrme]

links to sources? information?

i will be back my friend... dont you worry. i got some stuff to handle.

wiki leaks, google, youtube, are a good place for you to start.

wikileaks was shut down by the government for a while. might be back up and running by now.

 

[tudizzle]

Step away from the puter......

 

[ruffryder]

i will be back my friend... dont you worry. i got some stuff to handle.

so? how much time do you need to show your own resources?

 

[POLZIN]

Voters run the world... we would just rather not use it appropriately and eat Oreo's instead....

How you can be so intellegent and so cluless simultaniously is remarkable.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

When some of the dip chits out there get off their arse and start from broke to become a multi billionaire, then you can tell me tax the rich, tell then shut the f up. The fact some corporations get away with it is a lot different, thats where things need restructured not a raise in taxes. One of the biggest problems is the EPA, you can't do anything without getting 12 different enviromental quality studies done at 100k+ per study. WTF. restructure and cut

The top 2% of income earners pay for 50% of taxes, the bottom 50% pay less than 2%. again WTF, when average work or no work pays off and the hard working get bent, well it wont be much of a country very long at this rate. Vote for a harshest conservative and hope it helps.

Sometime I wish I could just knock someone out and walk away still knowing I knocked more sense into them then they had before.

 

[motojunkie101]

so? how much time do you need to show your own resources?

hey it takes awhile to find an actual source. This stuff is so secret the people doing it don't even know they are doing it!

The only picture I've ever seen of a chem trail setup turned out to be a plane used for cloud seeding. There are no chem trails...its contrails, nothing more than condensed water vapor left over from hot exhaust reacting with cold humid air.

IMO the Army Specialist who released the wikileaks information should be tried for treason and sent to a firing squad.

 

[snowmobilesrme]

hey it takes awhile to find an actual source. This stuff is so secret the people doing it don't even know they are doing it!

The only picture I've ever seen of a chem trail setup turned out to be a plane used for cloud seeding. There are no chem trails...its contrails, nothing more than condensed water vapor left over from hot exhaust reacting with cold humid air.

IMO the Army Specialist who released the wikileaks information should be tried for treason and sent to a firing squad.

so tell me... how does a contrail act? what are the characteristics? tell me each and every one of them.

and i apologize, ive been busy doing stuff here and there.

before i give my resources, id like to ask what you know about contrails. not chemtrails... dont mention chemtrails... just say everything you know about contrails.

 

[motojunkie101]

so tell me... how does a contrail act? what are the characteristics? tell me each and every one of them.

Easy trigger, you're putting me on the spot like I've got a PHD in the characteristics of high altitude humidity and the effects of HOT exhaust on it. Thankfully it doesn't take a degree to have a simple understanding of what happens. Very cold water in the air at altitude gets mixed with HOT exhaust - some scientific mumbo jumbo happens- Presto! You get water vapor/ice crystals that is condensed into a vapor cloud. Initially you can see it start from behind each of the (typical) 4 engines, but air being air, and vapor being suspended, it expands until it looks like one trail behind the jet. It will expand until it is no longer condensed and thusly no longer visible.

I do understand there are other characteristics and instances where contrails can be created during high thrust(take off) or during maneuvering, but those contails are short lived and do not apply to the discussion at hand.

I'm curious about your resources though, and your theory on how/why/where/what the government is putting in the atmosphere.

 

[snowmobilesrme]

Easy trigger, you're putting me on the spot like I've got a PHD in the characteristics of high altitude humidity and the effects of HOT exhaust on it. Thankfully it doesn't take a degree to have a simple understanding of what happens. Very cold water in the air at altitude gets mixed with HOT exhaust - some scientific mumbo jumbo happens- Presto! You get water vapor/ice crystals that is condensed into a vapor cloud. Initially you can see it start from behind each of the (typical) 4 engines, but air being air, and vapor being suspended, it expands until it looks like one trail behind the jet. It will expand until it is no longer condensed and thusly no longer visible.

I do understand there are other characteristics and instances where contrails can be created during high thrust(take off) or during maneuvering, but those contails are short lived and do not apply to the discussion at hand.

I'm curious about your resources though, and your theory on how/why/where/what the government is putting in the atmosphere.

putting you on the spot? nooo.... i just asked a question. lol.

but you said yourself that contrails become not visible. this takes a couple minutes at the most. more commonly, they disappear within seconds.

but then why do other "contrails" hang around for hours? and dont go away? why do they eventually cover the whole sky? im sure you have noticed for yourself that specific characteristic of some funny lookin contrails...

the following video is AFTER the fact that any of the findings are undeniable.

its pretty intriguing actually..

 

[snowmobilesrme]

putting you on the spot? nooo.... i just asked a question. lol.

but you said yourself that contrails become not visible. this takes a couple minutes at the most. more commonly, they disappear within seconds.

but then why do other "contrails" hang around for hours? and dont go away? why do they eventually cover the whole sky? im sure you have noticed for yourself that specific characteristic of some funny lookin contrails...

the following video is AFTER the fact that any of the findings are undeniable.

its pretty intriguing actually..

the embedded video doesnt seem to be appearing on my browser. glitch? idk... :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_EAust9aqc

 

[motojunkie101]

The reason why some last hours and some last seconds? I'm not sure you noticed all the contrails that last a long time are at high altitude. This is because at cold enough temperatures the contrails are made of ice crystals. At those temperatures it is going to take a long time for them to thaw and dissipate.

I watched 90% of the video. Every plane was in high altitude, and every contrail started at the engines, so unless its injected into the exhaust.....The folks they used as voice overs had no credibility on the subject. Their obervations could have been done shortly after dropping acid, or after a 12 pack of coors light. Even if they are completely sober, they present no evidence to support their claims. As for the criss crossing, there are thousands of flights every day in the US. Combine that with living near several large airports and a humid day, and you'll have a ton of contrails in the sky. Starting and stopping contrails? Pockets of humidity or changing the altitude of the jet can do the same thing.

I'm sorry but I didn't see anything to sway my opinion yet. I need to see some science to back it all up.

 

[snowmobilesrme]

The reason why some last hours and some last seconds? I'm not sure you noticed all the contrails that last a long time are at high altitude. This is because at cold enough temperatures the contrails are made of ice crystals. At those temperatures it is going to take a long time for them to thaw and dissipate.

I watched 90% of the video. Every plane was in high altitude, and every contrail started at the engines, so unless its injected into the exhaust.....The folks they used as voice overs had no credibility on the subject. Their obervations could have been done shortly after dropping acid, or after a 12 pack of coors light. Even if they are completely sober, they present no evidence to support their claims. As for the criss crossing, there are thousands of flights every day in the US. Combine that with living near several large airports and a humid day, and you'll have a ton of contrails in the sky. Starting and stopping contrails? Pockets of humidity or changing the altitude of the jet can do the same thing.

I'm sorry but I didn't see anything to sway my opinion yet. I need to see some science to back it all up.

so not all the planes were at a high altitude. theres planes at low altitude that cause your so called "normal" contrails. i have a video on my blackberry of a plane doing it at low altitude. my blackberry doesnt have the best camera, so its pretty hard to zoom into something that is super far away, and make it appear to be close. the turning on and off the spraying and your explanation of altitude doesnt make sense, cause if you go look at that part, how can you say a plane can drop altitude, and incline in altitude repeatedly in that short amount of time? pockets of humidity that small? at that altitude? that just doesnt sit right with me.

and you say how theres flights all over every day. so if thats the case, you should be able to see those lingering trails on a daily basis. what about the days that you see no trails at all? what, no planes fly that day?

and im sure you have noticed a plane that seemed to be super high in altitude without any sort of trail behind it, yet im sure you have seen a plane in the sky that to yourself didnt seem to be nearly high enough to cause a contrail, but still had a trail behind it, but didnt think anything of it.

so why do lower altitude planes have a trail behind it, while higher planes dont?

and its the "contrails" at lower altitudes that last for hours. every high flying contrail i have seen disapates within a minute or two. after hours of going by, the tiny ice crystals would have evaporated reguardless of temperature because of the suns rays. a contrails ice crystals arent thick enough per ice crystal. and the ice crystals that are formed arent thick enough amongst eachother to stick around, or seem to stick around. contrails dont expand and eventally cover the whole sky.

and any such arguement trying to explain that chemtrails dont exist is kinda stupid and pointless. as it is clear, that it was once denied by everyone imaginable that claimed to have the smarts to be able to determine that they werent real.

but now you have the doctors that were taking care of the pilots spraying the chemicals that are coming foward, and news stations are talking about it explaining how it works, and the people behind it, have 3 different reasons as to why theyre doing it, AFTER they denied it at first. and you now even have meteorologists that use to do it, talking about it and explaining it on the news. to me thats credible people.

 

[snowmobilesrme]

so not all the planes were at a high altitude. theres planes at low altitude that cause your so called "normal" contrails. i have a video on my blackberry of a plane doing it at low altitude. my blackberry doesnt have the best camera, so its pretty hard to zoom into something that is super far away, and make it appear to be close. the turning on and off the spraying and your explanation of altitude doesnt make sense, cause if you go look at that part, how can you say a plane can drop altitude, and incline in altitude repeatedly in that short amount of time? pockets of humidity that small? at that altitude? that just doesnt sit right with me.

and you say how theres flights all over every day. so if thats the case, you should be able to see those lingering trails on a daily basis. what about the days that you see no trails at all? what, no planes fly that day?

and im sure you have noticed a plane that seemed to be super high in altitude without any sort of trail behind it, yet im sure you have seen a plane in the sky that to yourself didnt seem to be nearly high enough to cause a contrail, but still had a trail behind it, but didnt think anything of it.

so why do lower altitude planes have a trail behind it, while higher planes dont?

and its the "contrails" at lower altitudes that last for hours. every high flying contrail i have seen disapates within a minute or two. after hours of going by, the tiny ice crystals would have evaporated reguardless of temperature because of the suns rays. a contrails ice crystals arent thick enough per ice crystal. and the ice crystals that are formed arent thick enough amongst eachother to stick around, or seem to stick around. contrails dont expand and eventally cover the whole sky.

and any such arguement trying to explain that chemtrails dont exist is kinda stupid and pointless. as it is clear, that it was once denied by everyone imaginable that claimed to have the smarts to be able to determine that they werent real.

but now you have the doctors that were taking care of the pilots spraying the chemicals that are coming foward, and news stations are talking about it explaining how it works, and the people behind it, have 3 different reasons as to why theyre doing it, AFTER they denied it at first. and you now even have meteorologists that use to do it, talking about it and explaining it on the news. to me thats credible people.

and we all know, that planes fly in a straight line to conserve fuel. why are they not flying in a straight line as these chemtrails are being created?

and we all know that planes keep their distance from eachother. then why, in that video, do you see 3 planes very close together, flying in the same direction, then all 3 of them go in their own different direction? and one makes a pretty sharp turn considering the fact that they are so concerned about conserving fuel.

 

[snowmobilesrme]

and we all know, that planes fly in a straight line to conserve fuel. why are they not flying in a straight line as these chemtrails are being created?

and we all know that planes keep their distance from eachother. then why, in that video, do you see 3 planes very close together, flying in the same direction, then all 3 of them go in their own different direction? and one makes a pretty sharp turn considering the fact that they are so concerned about conserving fuel.

I'm sorry but I didn't see anything to sway my opinion yet. I need to see some science to back it all up.

if common sense isnt enough, here's just a little bito' science for you, including some lab results.

http://www.rense.com/general82/chemit.htm

as far as researching stuff... its not hard.

if you have a theory, and are trying to prove your theory to be correct, put yourself on the opposite side of your theory, and try to prove your theory to be wrong.

the side proving the chemtrail theory has backup with visuals, lab results, and references from credible people.

go ahead and google "proof chemtrails are fake"

the guy in the following link just has his interpretation of what he THINKS he knows. on his reference to the youtube video of the news brodcast, he mentions that its not "chemtrails" that the news is talking about, but chaff. well sir, chaff, has chemicals in it. some of the same chemicals found in the "chemtrail" lab research. so maybe chaff is a word/phrase given to uneducated/unaware people to calm them down immediately? ("oh, no, thats not chemtrails, its just chaff. dont worry, chaff is just particles of aluminum and other stuff to block radar, its perfectly okay"). so that arguement is way invalid. and he doesnt even mention any defense against the lab tests that were conducted, and the results they have rendured. what, is he scared? or has he not researched enough yet to find the lab results, therefore just speaking on what he thinks he knows? either/or works for me...

http://contrailscience.com/fake-hoax-chemtrail-videos/

but what is chaff? and what is it for?

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lmk/?n=chaff-jan2006

seems maybe a little similar to chemtrails dont you say? maybe the same? just mainstream media's downplay/censorship of the truth? maybe? by chance?

 

[ruffryder]

If this were true, where are all the UAW mechanics out there working on all this stuff?

 

[treemagnet03]

I am not into the tin hat crowd so I have to ask, have been in a plane? Know many pilots? Understand the complexities of air traffic control?

For me it is yes, yes, and NO. At the world's largest airports you have to take a straight path away from the airport before being allowed to turn and continue coarse. And until you completely understand physical chemistry (I never got there), understanding the complexity of how gas vaporization based on atmospheric conditions is way beyond most of us...

Just sit back, realize that even if there are things going on around us that might not be in our best interest, that is nothing new. That is called the human condition.

 

[motojunkie101]

If this were true, where are all the UAW mechanics out there working on all this stuff?

This is what I'm saying...the amount of people that would have to be involved would make it nearly impossible for a program like this to exist without some kind of information leaked out. Three people can keep a secret as long as two of them are dead....