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Boycott Arizona Poll Q13 Seattle

It's like the chicken or the egg deal for those illegals coming to actually work...
I don't think so, you remove the ability for them to work and then you stop them coming here. They come to the US for jobs. No jobs, then they aren't coming over here.
then there are those that come here with no interest to work but simply to be involved with gangs/drugs/crime and take advantage of our "soft" justice system.
yep, they are a problem, and it has nothing to do with jobs either, well not the legal ones.
 
It would be interesting to know what percentage of illegals are truly employed. I'm guessing alot of them don't have jobs....heck, 10% of US citizens can't even get work :face-icon-small-con
 
Yeah Ruffryder you have a GOOD point there. But would it not be good to make them LESS available for these unscrupulous employers to hire them? For that simple fact I would not hire MANY roofing contractors to work on my house. ( that and the fact I know how to do it myself, and have my own scissor dump) We had Verizon subcontract out a line job last summer out here and most of the underground work was done with shovels by spanish speaking workers who were not given any water. When I got home from work that afternoon I had 8 guys happy as hell when I brought 12 bottles of water out to them. It PISSED me off!! As for roofing, that song you hear in radio ads should be Sung in spanish!
Hey all, go to numbers USA sign up and there iis a Fax that can be sent for free to Seattle city council members regarding their proposed "Boycott" of Arizona that is to be voted on May 10.

So does that mean that we can all ignore any photo red light tickets in Seattle, since they are through a Scottsdale Az. company?
 
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Yeah Ruffryder you have a GOOD point there. But would it not be good to make them LESS available for these unscrupulous employers to hire them?
Yes, it would be good to make them less available. Though, what is easier? As it is right now, it seems like the employees have more to loose then the employers. So why should the employers worry or be scared?

Obviously the correct answer is to combat the problem from many sides.
 
two scenarios...


I was shopping today at a wholesale whse today, after checking out and before going out the door, there is an employee who you are supposed to give your receipt to to double check the amount of items in the basket match the number of items on the reciept... isnt this illegal search and seizure since there is zero probable cause??? I wasnt walking around the store stealing goods or looking suspicious??? And if the employee missed some items I dam sure know it isnt my fault! Yet everyone hands this said employee their receipt without any problems like they have nothing to hide... oh wait they dont! yet how come people dont tell this employee to F off!?!?!?!? and no you have no right or probable cause to do this???


How about truckers, ever notice weigh stations on the side of the road??? Did you know the big garage looking buildings are for totally random checks and inspections??? Here in cali if you drive through one and get red lighted you pull into the garage and get inspected, they look to make sure that the names match your license and CA (here in cali) numbers, reg, insurance, medical card, along with any and all documentation, its crazy to think that you have to have all this identification and paperwork on you at all times showing who you are and what your doing! You dont have to have any type of probable cause to be pulled in, just completely random!


Is this more of a "justified" and "non profiling" way of checking people???
 
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As to the store scenario, I would think that is a term of your membership, so you actually paid for the right to be treated that way.

As for trucks, is your example that they are profiling trucks? Kind of like profiling cars for speeding?

I think the issue is that these aren't examples of profiling by RACE, and that it might be more randomized or just the opposite, where everyone gets it like the store or the road side alcohol test.
 
1/3 of our prison population is illegal aliens and they're not in prison for being illegals.

1/3 of our population is illegal? Bull$hit! You are trying to tell me we have over 100 million illegal aliens here? LOL(sarcasm).

If you're going to quote me, please bother to read more carefully. According to the U.S. Dept of Justice 1/3 of our federal inmates are non-citizens with with over half being illegal aliens (17%). So on that point I am correcting myself.

Illegal aliens are half of California's prison population and nearly half of Texas'.

Pull the national guard out of Iraqistan and put them on the border and illegal immigration will dry up in 6 months. If the border states and the fed want to hash out a plan to allow for legal migrant farm workers to keep everyone in cheap lettuce that's fine but secure the border first.

And if you want to bleed vaginally about posse comitatus I'll show you where you're wrong on that too.
 
As to the store scenario, I would think that is a term of your membership, so you actually paid for the right to be treated that way.


Exactly!! This is something you agree to, just as immigrants are required by law to carry the appropriate paperword as a term of citizenship.....they agreed to be treated this way.
So, if someone is not a member of the wholesale store and just starts throwing groceries in a cart and wheels out the door, should they be allowed to do this? Or should they be stopped, questioned and arrested?
 
Exactly!! This is something you agree to, just as immigrants are required by law to carry the appropriate paperword as a term of citizenship.....they agreed to be treated this way.
So, if someone is not a member of the wholesale store and just starts throwing groceries in a cart and wheels out the door, should they be allowed to do this? Or should they be stopped, questioned and arrested?



DING DING DING!!!! this happens everyday to people but they cant grasp the connection! its all about being politically correct in todays society for most and not hurting anyones fellings.

oh heres another one... if you dont have a membership to get into this said big box store then...???

ruffy???
 
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As for trucks, is your example that they are profiling trucks? Kind of like profiling cars for speeding?
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no like I said, totally random truck/driver inspections, basically to make sure that you have your medical card, CDL, insurance, reg, log books, BOL and so on to make sure that you are leagal, and can show proof that you are leagal to operate a commercial truck.

what a concept!
 
Exactly!! This is something you agree to, just as immigrants are required by law to carry the appropriate paperword as a term of citizenship.....they agreed to be treated this way.
I am not arguing against them required to have their documents. The point is that just looking at someone and thinking they are an illegal based on their skin color is not correct and is not enough to perform a search of one's person.

As to the trucks argument, it is random, there is not profiling being done.

If the people in AZ had citizen checkpoints, I think most would say that it is ok. Note that no one is saying it is ok for them to be here and ok for them to not punished. Not at all. Some people just have a problem with giving police and authorities to search a person for a "hunch". The constitution states otherwise. I kind of like the constitution.. Don't you guys? lol
 
oh heres another one... if you dont have a membership to get into this said big box store then...???


WHat??? Do you mean that "non-members" can't just sneak in the back door, kick back in the massage chair, chow on some blueberry muffins and a case of beer...maybe slip on a fluffy robe and slippers???
It's a sad day when the CEO of the store tells the paying members this is OK with him and we should just let this continue and they will just raise our membership costs so even more non-members can partake in the festivities. :face-icon-small-dis What happens to the store when the non-members outnumber paying members?
 
WHat??? Do you mean that "non-members" can't just sneak in the back door, kick back in the massage chair, chow on some blueberry muffins and a case of beer...maybe slip on a fluffy robe and slippers???
It's a sad day when the CEO of the store tells the paying members this is OK with him and we should just let this continue and they will just raise our membership costs so even more non-members can partake in the festivities. :face-icon-small-dis What happens to the store when the non-members outnumber paying members?

The adherence to the constitution is not based on citizenship. The constitution applies to all here, even those here illegally. Based on this logic, would you say that illegal immigrants shouldn't be prosecuted for breaking OUR laws? I mean, our laws are for citizens only then, right?
 
No....I think you misundertood, or I didn't convey my thoughts very well.....they SHOULD be prosecuted, which is what this bill wants to allow Az to do and our President is against. They should be deported. Unfortunatly just skin color isn't enough to be questioned, our overly PC laws prohibit this.
 
Unfortunatly just skin color isn't enough to be questioned, our overly PC laws prohibit this.
EEEK. That law is there for a reason. I think history has shown that selecting out a group of people and putting their rights as lower then others in a society is not good for the society.

No one is stating that they SHOULDN'T be prosecuted. Just that it should take a little more then a police officer going up to someone and demanding to see identification.
 
You must be ignorant the Arizona law does not allow the police to stop and ask for papers without a primary offense, just as every other stop. And if the person detained cannot speak english that is probable cause to any reasonable person. Also Illegal aliens cannot get a drivers license in Arizona, wouldn't you agree that driving without a license is probable cause. Also the Arizona law states illegal aliens, not illegal Mexicans so where is the profiling.
Lets look at the problem in Washington, I will bet Arizona is much worse. WSP list of most wanted criminals.


Not speaking English is NOT probable cause. Speaking English is not a requirement to be a citizen. Do you know how many people I see butcher the English Language everyday? You yourself did in your own post.

If Arizona law does not allow people to be stopped for no reason to check for citizenship then why are they currently trying to amend the law and change it so that probable cause is needed?

I don't know what is a required to get a license in Arizona but I do know that a drivers license does not list your immigration/citizen status on it.
 
Its simple, If the US government would stop pandering to the illegals, (FREE health care, FREE schooling, FREE housing, Welfare benefits) they would all flock back to their home country. It doesnt matter where they are from we end up paying for them to be here.

They do get free k-12 schooling like every other kid in this country, they do not get free (LEGAL) health care, free housing or free welfare.
 
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Matt,

The only problem with that analogy is, when you apply and receive a CDL, you sign off with the notion that any police officer has the right to pull you over and check your load, licensing, permits, and inspect your vehicle. It is in plain as day writing.
Show me any writing in our laws that says someone can stop me because I have a tan, am black, red, pink, or speak freakanese!
If some f*k stopped me and ask if I was American I would tell him to stick it!
 
Oh fug it!!!!!
Local "citizen" employed for "several" years in community arrested for sexual misconduct with his girlfriend..who is 12 YEARS OLD..... HE IS 21 Year old Illegal who's "family depends on him" How FU#$ED UP is that? How long has he had this "Girlfriend" and how many in the last "several" years???
It was in todays paper and the prosecuting attny's want a rush before ICE pick him up!?!?!?!

And this one time in Tijuana I tried to call back to USA...
"press uno por Espanol..press dos por Englais....NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
report from Cochise County Az.

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Report from Cochise County, Arizona
By T.J. Woodard

Being an avid AT reader, and living on the Arizona border in Cochise County, I thought I would provide those who wish to be informed some insight into the truth about the state of the U.S.-Mexican border -- at least in this part of the state.

I moved to Cochise County after retiring from the Army in 2008 to take a position working at Fort Huachuca (pronounced "wa-choo-ka," an Apache word meaning "place of thunder" and referring to the time after the summer monsoon season). Having lived here in 1991 for eight months while attending an Army school, I soon realized that the place had changed considerably in the eighteen years of my absence.

The first thing I noticed was how many border patrol vehicles were on the roads in the city of Sierra Vista. The Border Patrol has a large station near here in the city of Naco. There are far more Border Patrol vehicles in the area than SV police cars. They come in many forms -- trucks for off-road work, trailers carrying all-terrain vehicles, pickups with capacity for carrying large numbers of people once apprehended, and even a staff car for the area chaplain. The Border Patrol presence has grown substantially, so one would think the border area was nice and safe.

Not so. Within a short time after arriving in southern Arizona while on my way to work, I noticed eight illegal immigrants on the side of the road. Fortunately, they were in the custody of capable and attentive Border Patrol agents. Unfortunately, they were less than a hundred feet from my daughter's bus stop. She gets personal service to school now, as the school district refuses to enter the gated community in which we live. There is a nice wash, a valley into which the rainwater drains during the monsoons, which provides a nice route for the illegals to follow into the city, and therefore into their locations for pickup by the vehicles that will get them farther north.

Later, after I attended a movie on a Friday night, a car passed by me in the next lane going nearly a hundred miles an hour. It took a few seconds before I saw the police behind -- way behind -- with lights and sirens, trying to catch up. Surprise, surprise -- the next morning's paper discussed a Mexican drug runner being caught by County Sheriff's Deputies. On several occasions, the Border Patrol's helicopter has flown low and slow over the neighborhood, rattling windows and shining its spotlight in our backyard. When this happens, I strap on my pistol, grab a flashlight, and look and listen. Fortunately, I haven't found anybody within a hundred yards of the house -- yet.

Working on a U.S. Army fort, one would think we were fairly secure from these threats. Just not true. Reading the Fort Huachuca newspaper one morning, I noticed an interesting part of the "community" page. It asked for volunteers to assist in cleaning up "dumps" on posts where the illegals would drop their supplies used to cross the border and change clothing. They do this in order to blend in and not look like they just spent a day or two crossing the border in the dust and heat of southern Arizona. The most frightening part of this is that Fort Huachuca is the U.S. Army Intelligence Center, where the Army trains its intelligence soldiers -- analysts, interrogators, radio intercept specialists, and counterintelligence agents -- for operations overseas. If we can't secure the fort we use to train our intelligence soldiers, how can we secure anything else?

Much has been discussed about the new law in Arizona making it unlawful to be in Arizona in violation of federal immigration statutes. However, much less has been discussed about the shooting of rancher Robert Krentz. Robert was killed on his ranch on March 28, 2010. His ranch, on which the family began grazing cattle in 1907 (Arizona became a state in 1912), is a large, 35,000-acre area in remote Cochise County. It is so remote that the original Cochise, an Apache leader, used the mountainous terrain near it to hide from the U.S. Cavalry in the early 1870s. But much less is being said about the eight illegal immigrants and their load of 280 pounds of marijuana seized the day before Krentz was killed.

So Arizona should be boycotted because its people would like to keep it safe? Somebody please explain the logic of that for me. It doesn't take a bullet from a drug runner's gun to make those of us down here near the border understand that this is drug-related violence -- and Rob's death proves it.

It also doesn't take much more reading to see that the drug dealers are a huge problem with far-reaching capabilities. On April 27, 2010, a large drug bust took place here in Cochise County. Among those arrested was Angelica Marie Borquez, the secretary for the Drug Enforcement Division of the Cochise County Attorney office. Allegedly, Ms. Borquez was tipping off the drug runners to counter drug operations conducted by the county. She was so bold that she used the phone in the County Attorney's office to make some of her calls.

This isn't a blatant effort by drug cartels to obtain control here in America?

Many have already called Arizona residents racists. They are concerned that police will profile Hispanics and disproportionally harass them. But we understand something others in Washington, D.C. and San Francisco don't seem to remember -- we border Mexico. The fact is that most illegal immigrants coming across the border here are, well, Mexicans. Those of us down here facing the danger every day really don't care what some Hollywood actor has to say about the issue. Nor do we care about what the Colombian government or the Latino music community thinks of it. We just want to stay safe.

This is not about race; it's about facts. Use a few of these facts the next time somebody wants to engage you in discussion about the border. Tell him you learned these things from somebody who can see Mexico from his front porch.

T.J. Woodard is a retired Army officer who lives less than ten miles from the Mexican border. He carries a pistol even in his own house in order to be prepared to defend his family whenever necessary.
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