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[DOO DAWG]

Still up so I thought I'd post it here

Fox 13 Poll - Boycott Arizona
« on: April 28, 2010, 11:44:06 PM »
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Take Our Poll: Boycott Arizona?

Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn is boycotting Arizona over the new immigration law.

Will you still travel to Arizona?

vote here: http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-042810-poll-mcginnarizona,0,6072151,post.poll

 

[ruffryder]

Why don't they start going after the employers of illegal immigrants? Part of me thinks all this is just pandering to the people. Same as the drug issue, the problem isn't the supply, as it will always be there. The problem is the demand. If you decrease the demand enough, there will be no supply created to meet the demand.

 

[DOO DAWG]

If you look around you'll find Obama suspended all ICE raids immediately after taking office. Kind of hard to go after employers when.....

 

[winter brew]

If you look around you'll find Obama suspended all ICE raids immediately after taking office. Kind of hard to go after employers when.....

He was afraid they would raid the White House....no papers there either. ....what a fine example he sets.

 

[milehighassassin]

Why don't they start going after the employers of illegal immigrants? Part of me thinks all this is just pandering to the people. Same as the drug issue, the problem isn't the supply, as it will always be there. The problem is the demand. If you decrease the demand enough, there will be no supply created to meet the demand.

Bingo. This bill does nothing but waste money and take away our rights.

It is a clear violation of the 4th and 14th amendments.

So what does it do? so you stop and hold an illegal, turn them over to the feds who house and feed them, hold them and then give them a free ride back across the border. You end up right where you started the next day, because they just come back.

You are chasing your tail, or bailing water out of a boat that is leaking without fixing the leak.

Putting a fence/wall up won't do much besides spend money. The real solution is to go after and enforce HUGE fines on the companies that insist on continiously hiring illegals.

 

[DOO DAWG]

If you look around you'll find Obama suspended all ICE raids immediately after taking office. Kind of hard to go after employers when.....

YEAH! THAT!!

 

[The Fourth Wolf]

Bingo. This bill does nothing but waste money and take away our rights.

It is a clear violation of the 4th and 14th amendments.

So what does it do? so you stop and hold an illegal, turn them over to the feds who house and feed them, hold them and then give them a free ride back across the border. You end up right where you started the next day, because they just come back.

You are chasing your tail, or bailing water out of a boat that is leaking without fixing the leak.

Putting a fence/wall up won't do much besides spend money. The real solution is to go after and enforce HUGE fines on the companies that insist on continiously hiring illegals.

This law allows LEO's in AZ to verify the citizenship status of those they detain/arrest for other things. 1/3 of our prison population is illegal aliens and they're not in prison for being illegals.

This is a sovereignty issue. Government has a basic responsibility to enforce our borders. Mexican citizens to not have some automatic birthright to come to the U.S. as they d a m n well please just because their country is a corrupt sh!thole.

 

[milehighassassin]

1/3 of our population is illegal? Bull$hit! You are trying to tell me we have over 100 million illegal aliens here? LOL


This law allows Law Enforcement to look at someone and say "PAPERS PLEASE!".
It violates the 4th amendment, this is the amendment that protects you from unreasonable searches and seizures. The Arizona law does not require probable cause and allows a law enforcement officer to look at someone and just ask them (require) them to prove citizenship.

This violates the 14th amendment which is the equal protection clause, guaranteeing equal rights for everyone. I can't imagine too many blue eyes, blondies are going to be stopped. If you are brown you will get stopped, but guess what, not everyone that is brown is illegal.

I have no problem if you are stopped for a traffic infraction or anything else which would be probable cause, for LE to check citizenship status if it can be done quickly. I myself have no way to prove (in person) that I am born in this country. Your driver's license or I.D. does not contain that information. I do not have a passport, and usually do not carry my birth certificate with me. Sure a full background check will provide that info but that is not really something you can do while waiting on the side of the road.

On top of that, what will it accomplish? So you detain the guy because he is illegal? You turn him over to ICE they give him a ride back to Mexico and he is back here in two days? Maybe you want to put someone in prison? Great idea! Lets house them, feed them and overcrowd our prisons even more, maybe you can bunk them with all the pot smokers that are also VERY dangerous (sarcasm).

 

[DOO DAWG]

1/3 of our population is illegal? Bull$hit! You are trying to tell me we have over 100 million illegal aliens here? LOL


This law allows Law Enforcement to look at someone and say "PAPERS PLEASE!".
It violates the 4th amendment, this is the amendment that protects you from unreasonable searches and seizures. The Arizona law does not require probable cause and allows a law enforcement officer to look at someone and just ask them (require) them to prove citizenship.

This violates the 14th amendment which is the equal protection clause, guaranteeing equal rights for everyone. I can't imagine too many blue eyes, blondies are going to be stopped. If you are brown you will get stopped, but guess what, not everyone that is brown is illegal.

I have no problem if you are stopped for a traffic infraction or anything else which would be probable cause, for LE to check citizenship status if it can be done quickly. I myself have no way to prove (in person) that I am born in this country. Your driver's license or I.D. does not contain that information. I do not have a passport, and usually do not carry my birth certificate with me. Sure a full background check will provide that info but that is not really something you can do while waiting on the side of the road.

On top of that, what will it accomplish? So you detain the guy because he is illegal? You turn him over to ICE they give him a ride back to Mexico and he is back here in two days? Maybe you want to put someone in prison? Great idea! Lets house them, feed them and overcrowd our prisons even more, maybe you can bunk them with all the pot smokers that are also VERY dangerous (sarcasm).

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Since you seem to know so much about it should we assume that you have a copy of it you could share with us? Ever been pulled over on a BS traffic stop?? What happens next? What do they ask for? What if you had a warrant? Being ILLEGAL is as good as a warrant

 

[Scott]

I'll visit AZ. LOL

 

[winter brew]

1/3 of our population is illegal? Bull$hit! You are trying to tell me we have over 100 million illegal aliens here? LOL


This law allows Law Enforcement to look at someone and say "PAPERS PLEASE!".
It violates the 4th amendment, this is the amendment that protects you from unreasonable searches and seizures. The Arizona law does not require probable cause and allows a law enforcement officer to look at someone and just ask them (require) them to prove citizenship.

This violates the 14th amendment which is the equal protection clause, guaranteeing equal rights for everyone. I can't imagine too many blue eyes, blondies are going to be stopped. If you are brown you will get stopped, but guess what, not everyone that is brown is illegal.

I have no problem if you are stopped for a traffic infraction or anything else which would be probable cause, for LE to check citizenship status if it can be done quickly. I myself have no way to prove (in person) that I am born in this country. Your driver's license or I.D. does not contain that information. I do not have a passport, and usually do not carry my birth certificate with me. Sure a full background check will provide that info but that is not really something you can do while waiting on the side of the road.

On top of that, what will it accomplish? So you detain the guy because he is illegal? You turn him over to ICE they give him a ride back to Mexico and he is back here in two days? Maybe you want to put someone in prison? Great idea! Lets house them, feed them and overcrowd our prisons even more, maybe you can bunk them with all the pot smokers that are also VERY dangerous (sarcasm).

Our constitution applies to American citizens. If you are here illegally, you should be deported....plain and simple.
Immigration law also requires LEGAL immigrants, even LEGAL temporary workers to carry their papers at all times. So, if they are here legally they have NOTHING to worry about. They have 2 months to find their papers before it goes into effect. If they are here illegally the Arizona law simply allows local police to enforce the SAME laws that have been on the books for decades and are supposed to be enforced at the Federal level....but havn't been adequatly enforced.
IMO this is no different than a cop walking into a bar and asking someone for ID to verify their age.....nothing illegal about it, if they suspect someone is in violation they can question them.
As for racial profiling....they are looking for illegal MEXICANS! Of course it will be based on their nationality, as it should be!
Will it work as intended?? Who knows, but something needs to be done, the gangs are literally taking over and alot of people are dying....too many are sucking the welfare tit and paying nothing back in which hurts the entire country. If nothing else it has brought the issue to the attention of the country so maybe a more effective plan can be put together.

 

[gatekeeper]

If ya kick them all out whos going to wash the dishes, pick the crops and drive the taxis?

 

[ruffryder]

IMO this is no different than a cop walking into a bar and asking someone for ID to verify their age.....nothing illegal about it, if they suspect someone is in violation they can question them.

That isn't a correct comparison. Maybe if you said it is no different then a cop walking into a bar and asking for all the Mexican looking people for ID to verify their age.

As for racial profiling....they are looking for illegal MEXICANS! Of course it will be based on their nationality, as it should be!

I think this line of thought is the problem. If that is true, why only Mexicans? There are many different nationalities of illegal immigrants. Or were you talking about only people with darker / brown skin?

 

[winter brew]

That isn't a correct comparison. Maybe if you said it is no different then a cop walking into a bar and asking for all the Mexican looking people for ID to verify their age.
I think this line of thought is the problem. If that is true, why only Mexicans? There are many different nationalities of illegal immigrants. Or were you talking about only people with darker / brown skin?

In a bar they would be looking for people underage.....so one could scream age discrimination which is also supposedly illegal and unconstitutional....but it happens everyday as it should.

Only mexicans because this is who is coming across the border in Az.....no illegal Swedish immigrants there I'm guessing.
I have a friend that was here from Australia on a work Visa.....when it expired she had to leave. There are legal ways of going about being here and if they don't choose to use them, they have no right to be here IMO....it is a slap in the face to those that take the time to follow the process to immigrate legally.....they are also making it tougher for the legal immigrants as now they have to worry about being questioned or discriminated against just because they have dark skin.....none of this would be necessary if they all followed the legal process.
Do we blame the law? Or do we blame the criminals?

 

[ruffryder]

Only mexicans because this is who is coming across the border in Az.....no illegal Swedish immigrants there I'm guessing.

Only 50 % of illegal immigrants are Mexican's.

 

[winter brew]

Only 50 % of illegal immigrants are Mexican's.

In Arizona?
I do agree it should apply to all illegals....but the Mexican gangs are killing people down there and I'm sure the % in Az is probably closer to 90%.
They should start by making is quicker to get legal worker status so we can have documentation of who/how many and be able to collect tax on their efforts so they can feel rectally violated like the rest of us.

 

[mattymac]

we need better screening for illeagals here PERIOD!

I am for this new law, I just heard that texas is looking to follow az as well, cali and utah are headed that way also. Utah is suprising since its not a border state, but probably worried that the illegals will flood there to possibly avoid being cought.

Does it have its flaws, yeah. You cant please everybody!!! Its something that needs to be taken more seriously since illeagals are sneaking into this country all the time!

Stop illeagals from coming in, put a 90 day max on unemployment benifits, make welfare alot harder to qualify for as well!

 

[ruffryder]

In Arizona?
I do agree it should apply to all illegals....but the Mexican gangs are killing people down there and I'm sure the % in Az is probably closer to 90%.

Because they all look like Mexicans?

They should start by making is quicker to get legal worker status so we can have documentation of who/how many and be able to collect tax on their efforts so they can feel rectally violated like the rest of us.

Agreed, this should be PART of a solution. I have talked with some professional employers, engineering firms and the like, and they can't fill all their positions, and they can't get visa's for people either, their aren't enough of them.

 

[ruffryder]

I bet if you could shoot anyone that hires an undocumented worker in the head, that illegal immigration would stop pretty quickly.

This goes hand in hand with the legalizing of MJ question. The problem is NOT the supply, it is the DEMAND. Kill the demand, and the supply will be killed as well.

 

[winter brew]

I eat alot of Mexican food and Beer......so I'm probably part of the problem.

It's amazing how much things have changed in the last 50-60 years.....look at what we did with even LEGAL and US born japanese during WWII......and it was hardly questioned. Nowdays the illegals seem to have more rights than anyone, and alot of people think it's OK for killers and drug dealers to be here, as long as we don't violate their rights.
IMO they have no citizen rights. NONE!