Sounds like you guys need a new government just like the us. I said you can't fixed stupid but I am hoping people finally wised up and we will get rid of obama. I will let you know if it is possible.
Big iron SHoot out?? GO OR NO GO?
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I'm not for hiding and letting the media win or dictate what we do as recreators, far from it! I'm opposed to energy being spent on this event when there are so many other things in the works that will completely affect how and where we ride forever! Fight the fight, but fight it where it counts! Running this event does nothing for the good of our sport, sanctioned or not...it's such a small piece of the puzzle that even if it did carry on without incident, other closures and restrictions are still going on that are far more important than an event in an already designated sledding area. I say we fight for our areas to remain open, for snowmobiling to continue for many generations, fight against regulations that tell us what we can do and how much risk we can take, fight for Keystone and caribou areas to be open in Revy, not the BIS to continue, the club needs that support and that's where they want it, they don't want the BIS. They have been begging for support against closures for months now...why not help the club attain what they are trying to instead of an event they want nothing to do with?
I bet there wouldn't be an insurance company who would touch this...and if they did the premium would be so high noone could afford it. If there's insurance, that opens the door for people to sue should 'anything' happen to them! Waivers usually don't hold up in the event of a claim.
You are so correct, we can't control what people do, where and when avalanches occur and people should be responsible for their actions...but let's fight the fight that matters for the betterment of our sport, not the betterment of the BIS.
For those who want the BIS, you could form a 'club', it's easy enough to do, and hold your own. Form the BIS Club, register it and you're off!! If getting waivers and insurance is so easy and running this event without incident so not to hurt our industry further is something you think you can do to prove that this event can be run properly to the 'libs', then go for it!!! There's nothing stopping you from doing this, it won't be run by an existing snowmobile club, so go about it your way and make it happen! Put your name behind it and get your own sponsors for it, insurance and waivers...run it as you say it should be! It's easy to sit back and say other people should take this risk, but would you consider it for yourself?
I bet there wouldn't be an insurance company who would touch this...and if they did the premium would be so high noone could afford it. If there's insurance, that opens the door for people to sue should 'anything' happen to them! Waivers usually don't hold up in the event of a claim.
You are so correct, we can't control what people do, where and when avalanches occur and people should be responsible for their actions...but let's fight the fight that matters for the betterment of our sport, not the betterment of the BIS.
For those who want the BIS, you could form a 'club', it's easy enough to do, and hold your own. Form the BIS Club, register it and you're off!! If getting waivers and insurance is so easy and running this event without incident so not to hurt our industry further is something you think you can do to prove that this event can be run properly to the 'libs', then go for it!!! There's nothing stopping you from doing this, it won't be run by an existing snowmobile club, so go about it your way and make it happen! Put your name behind it and get your own sponsors for it, insurance and waivers...run it as you say it should be! It's easy to sit back and say other people should take this risk, but would you consider it for yourself?
We have already lost and it's not coming back. Every where people say oh you better not do that any more or they will shut us down. Guess what there shutting it down any way. where does it end on a trail rude only?There taking IT away these last few years a little at a time. We as sledders do not evidently have the money to fight it and the other side does. And no matter what any one thinks it's all about the money,if you have the money you have the power with out it your just spinning your wheels. So many people on the planet all with different views and agendas. To those that think when we give something up we can fight to get it back another day, forget once it's gone it's not coming back. Enjoy what you can now and be thankful you were able to.
This statement shows they are winning. You have already altered or conformed just a little bit without you hardly realizing. They just keep it up, little by little, and before you know the've won.
I know this is what it all comes down to...\/\/\/... I think tam is on the right track, we cant just give up, but you have to focous your fight, to think you can just take on the whole green/liberal agenda is VERY ignorant IMO, They have people brainwashed to think everything with a motor is the devil, and that rules make people safer. Your not gonna fix that by having bis.. just further the damage.
Until your ready to fork over enough money to change the political/media agenda's.... then I think your playing on a different feild then those trying to shut us down.
Until your ready to fork over enough money to change the political/media agenda's.... then I think your playing on a different feild then those trying to shut us down.
This isn't 'conforming'...but doing things that actually matter in the industry and being realistic in how we can fight the government closures on our land, which is what will shut us down. Who cares whether there's a BIS or not if all the other areas are closed or we're regulated in how we use these areas. Whether or not the BIS event occurs has little effect on how the government controls our riding areas and access to gov't land. And that's how we win this, by keeping our 'areas' not by supporting a private event that has nothing to do with the clubs that are fighting for our freedom and riding areas. The little bit of positive that would come out of a 'glitch free' event isn't even a drop in the bucket to how we retain control by fighting against area closures IMO.
The BIS could only be run as it has in the past, as a non-sanctioned event. By getting insurance, waivers, approval for this event on govt land...that's conforming to 'how' they want us to use their land as well as it makes 'someone' responsible for it, instead of people responsible for themselves, which is how it should be. By running it non-sanctioned shows we do not want them to control how we recreate and that we have a right to use the land without these regulations, and that we are responsible for our own actions.
I can agree with the small part of this that says we continue with this event because we did nothing wrong. And I do agree, nothing was done wrong just a misfortunate event that 'can' happen any day to anyone and we shouldn't shrink away from it like it shouldn't have happened....that just shows 'they' are right...I get all that. But the reality is that it's not going to happen, nor does the club in area want it to happen. So why beat a dead horse, do something that matters.
Thinking that running events like this and saying "look at us, we can do this properly...we aren't going to succumb to the govt and hide from it. They're not going to dictate what we do...we don't care what the govt and media says, we're going to continue with this event cuz we have a right!!!" Good for you, your taking a stand! A stand for something that means squat in the bigger picture!
I just have one last thing to say. Everyone says the bis doesn't really mean anything to the sport. I disagree. It is easy for me to sit and talk about this stuff and not so easy in real life. I don't know how things work in Canada but anything that can get people involved in the sport is a plus in my opinion. There could be some little kid who sees a clip somewhere and says " I want to do that." What is crazy to one person might not to another. Every little bit helps. I know where you guys are coming from but it is like lightening up a sled. A little bit here and there adds up in the end. You don't get a super light sled by changing just one thing.
To suggest that this fight is not worth fighting is narrow-minded & selfish.
I will likely never attend one of these events & certainly will never participate in one, but that doesn't keep me from seeing how important this is to others.
If anyone thinks it's worth fighting for, who are any of us to say "no, concentrate your efforts where others think we have a better chance of winning"?
If someone disagrees with this event continuing, they are not expected to support it,
but don't belittle those who wish to fight for it.
I will likely never attend one of these events & certainly will never participate in one, but that doesn't keep me from seeing how important this is to others.
If anyone thinks it's worth fighting for, who are any of us to say "no, concentrate your efforts where others think we have a better chance of winning"?
If someone disagrees with this event continuing, they are not expected to support it,
but don't belittle those who wish to fight for it.
I see most that are in support if it are from south of the border. I think it is time the BIS moved down there. You guys pick whos back yard you want 3000-5000 people to show up to and I will be there. I dont see anyone from Revelstoke on here saying please come.
If you think it is so wrong, why would you show up?
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johnny be bad
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as someone from the area that has something to lose by such events. i say let it die!its amazing how many of us locals stayed away from boulder that weekend! we knew the mountain was bad for the last 3 weeks. maybe when they say, hey xtreme avi condition. maybe outta towns should listen!!!!
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Thunderguy BOOSTED
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i only ever went one time.... .and that was back in 07..... i loved it but i never went again cause my dad never went again!! 
but if its not going to go on again im going to have to go down to jackson hole...... JK I thing it was a very good event and i hope i/we cant get it happening again......... some how..... safe..... no avalanches...... etc! dose BIS have a web site??
but if its not going to go on again im going to have to go down to jackson hole...... JK I thing it was a very good event and i hope i/we cant get it happening again......... some how..... safe..... no avalanches...... etc! dose BIS have a web site??
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Correct me if I am wrong, the BIS was over for the day when the avy hit boulder? Right or wrong. IMO why should we hang the BIS for peoples bad judgement on that day. NOW on the other hand, with the conditions the way they had been for the couple of wks. before, it should have been canceled so the BIS would not get a black eye over something like this.
IMO the BIS should have the event as a charity for the people lost on that day. (As stated before) But do it right, put some rules in place. Take a safer approach to the event. Let the whether and the snow conditions dictate the boundries of the event. But IMO don't let the protesters of this event win, by not contiuning with it. Learn from our mistakes, and make it right, for the people lost that day, and for the people that would enjoy it next time.
I don't think the BIS should be made into something it is not, with big corp sponsors, and that whole dog and pony show.
Just my two penny's
IMO the BIS should have the event as a charity for the people lost on that day. (As stated before) But do it right, put some rules in place. Take a safer approach to the event. Let the whether and the snow conditions dictate the boundries of the event. But IMO don't let the protesters of this event win, by not contiuning with it. Learn from our mistakes, and make it right, for the people lost that day, and for the people that would enjoy it next time.
I don't think the BIS should be made into something it is not, with big corp sponsors, and that whole dog and pony show.
Just my two penny's
If the people from that area choose to have nothing to do with it, that's their decision & I support that.
However, if there are some who want to put it on, what is gained by actively trying to prevent it?
Like the saying goes........"Lead, follow or get out of the way!"
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johnny be bad
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one of the biggest problems is? most ppl book holidays around trips to places like revy. and when the mountain turns bad, like it did last season, the ppl say? well i have the time booked and the rooms to. oh it will be fine. ive cant rebook now. simple fact is, revy is not a beginner mountain. and should be treated with respect or it can and will eat your azz for lunch when it gets bad up there!
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Jorli
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The enviro-tards conveniently forget about Craig Kelly
I've attended several land use meetings here in BC, its nothing but a room full of f-tards talking crap about something they have never tried and know absolutely nothing about. The problem is that they are very well organized and they attend in mass to voice their disapproval of snowmobiling. Naturally, us lazy-*** snowmobilers are probably sitting on our couches drinking a bud and thinking that someone else will be there to do what we should be doing ourselves. Shame on us!!!!!! Get off your lazy butts and help keep our sport alive!
I've heard a lot of *****ing from the Mike Wiegele Heli Skiing camp, It might be worth stamping our memories with some stats about his operation. Since Mike started his guided heliski tours, his operation has had 13 deaths, while CMH has had 26 deaths, 20+ of those have resulted from avalanches and 9 caused helicopter crashes. Keep in mind these are GUIDED backcountry tours. I don't think their stats are proportionately better than ours.
We all know, including Mike Wiegele, that the backcountry can be a dangerous place to play.......FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!
An event that stands out in my mind is the death of snowboard legend, Craig Kelly. Craig was killed in an avalanche along with others in his group while taking an ACMG certification course. Its typically the MEC/ACMG crowd that demonizes snowmobiling, well this has got to hurt their holyer-than-thow egos. Even the so-called "experts" make poor decisions, interesting how that fact was quickly buried by the media.
I personally don't think we should give one inch to these a-holes that are trying to shut us out of the backcountry, rather than let the media ***** slap us around, we should do some research, get armed with the facts and throw it back in their faces every chances we can and expose the hypocrites, that is the only way that we will keep the backcountry open for everyone to enjoy.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1118751/index.htm
I've attended several land use meetings here in BC, its nothing but a room full of f-tards talking crap about something they have never tried and know absolutely nothing about. The problem is that they are very well organized and they attend in mass to voice their disapproval of snowmobiling. Naturally, us lazy-*** snowmobilers are probably sitting on our couches drinking a bud and thinking that someone else will be there to do what we should be doing ourselves. Shame on us!!!!!! Get off your lazy butts and help keep our sport alive!
I've heard a lot of *****ing from the Mike Wiegele Heli Skiing camp, It might be worth stamping our memories with some stats about his operation. Since Mike started his guided heliski tours, his operation has had 13 deaths, while CMH has had 26 deaths, 20+ of those have resulted from avalanches and 9 caused helicopter crashes. Keep in mind these are GUIDED backcountry tours. I don't think their stats are proportionately better than ours.
We all know, including Mike Wiegele, that the backcountry can be a dangerous place to play.......FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!
An event that stands out in my mind is the death of snowboard legend, Craig Kelly. Craig was killed in an avalanche along with others in his group while taking an ACMG certification course. Its typically the MEC/ACMG crowd that demonizes snowmobiling, well this has got to hurt their holyer-than-thow egos. Even the so-called "experts" make poor decisions, interesting how that fact was quickly buried by the media.
I personally don't think we should give one inch to these a-holes that are trying to shut us out of the backcountry, rather than let the media ***** slap us around, we should do some research, get armed with the facts and throw it back in their faces every chances we can and expose the hypocrites, that is the only way that we will keep the backcountry open for everyone to enjoy.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1118751/index.htm
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Thunderguy BOOSTED
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WoW....... i fully agree with you!!! THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST POSTS YET!! Ill read it again tomorrow morning cause i have had one to many glasses of wine tonight
but from what i did read its 100% perfect and ALL OF US SHOULD PUT IT INTO ACTION ASAP!!!
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This is bang on, we should create a dedicated thread to stats that can used in land management meetings that educate people about the truth of backcountry use by all users. Just make certain all stats are referenced.
