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SO, is the big iron shoot out a go or no go this year?????
Big iron SHoot out?? GO OR NO GO?
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Time to evolve as sledders or we will create our own demise. 
yeppers.. my exact thought..
I feel that unless the event was able to occur with not a SINGLE bad thing/something close to an incident happening, it would still be bad publicity. There is just to much negative surrounding our sport.. we dont need to flock together and show it off. I feel like considering the total lack of support outside the sledding comunity, its best to just lay low and enjoy it.. On any given day, other then the truck on the side of the road.. nobody other then my riding buddies know where I am.. to anyone else, its just a truck parked in a pull off on the highway.
I feel that unless the event was able to occur with not a SINGLE bad thing/something close to an incident happening, it would still be bad publicity. There is just to much negative surrounding our sport.. we dont need to flock together and show it off. I feel like considering the total lack of support outside the sledding comunity, its best to just lay low and enjoy it.. On any given day, other then the truck on the side of the road.. nobody other then my riding buddies know where I am.. to anyone else, its just a truck parked in a pull off on the highway.
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so what about the yammi fest??? or are we laying really low?
yamafest is more of a demo thing.. I know lots of huge stuff happens, but its not like its name invokes craziness, if you want to know, pm climbmax (randy swenson) he would know these things.
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ok ok! yeah he was just on facebook but he signed off again!!
So basically the bunny huggers are winning if you go by this statement. You guys stay home. I am going to go sledding. They should hold it again but everyone should remember what happened and remember that it can happen again. Should look into seeing if charges could be set off before the event or something to make it safer. I know it is not a sanctioned event but do something for the community or some cause along with the event that will make good publicity. I know you are dealing with liberal media so it would be tough but statements like this are why we are losing the battle. I don't know what the answer is but doing nothing or hiding sure isn't the answer.
Just for the sake of conversation.....what other types of "extreme" sporting events are there that could be considered similar to our sledding events? Where there is risk of injury or death etc.... How are these events held? How are they viewed? Are these events on the rise or are they dwindling?
Things like extreme skiing, surfing, skydiving come to mind...maybe even bike/auto racing...I'm sure there are others.
What can we learn from these other events to be able to have something similar to BIS?
Things like extreme skiing, surfing, skydiving come to mind...maybe even bike/auto racing...I'm sure there are others.
What can we learn from these other events to be able to have something similar to BIS?
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Maybe it could be moved south of the border to Montana or ??? See if your media/govt/residents/granola eaters, etc accept it? It is not worth putting sledding areas and sledders freedoms at risk so some cracked out clown can put on his dog and pony show. The Big Iron Shootout needs to stay a thing of the past, I agree it could be successful if was reborn with a different image and organizer. There were many fatalities last year, the British Columbia govt was very pissed off, if something like this happens again there will be serious consequences. I am not a resident of BC but out of respect for the snowmobile club and residents that welcome us to play in their backyard, I wont be participating. I hope my children will be able to experience backcountry snowmobiling like I have. I like the low key events like Yamafest, etc that have nothing to do with drag racing or a chute climbing image.
I think if someone stepped up and organized some kind of Charity weekend it would be very successful. My $0.02
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I think many of those are sanctioned. Surfing you need to clear the break for only the athletes, etc. Bike racing at least dirt bike of any sort even if it's on public land the organizer carries huge insurance (our Mc club has to carry around a 1 million policy for a weekend trail ride, not sure for our race on private lands) and you sign your life away to compete.
Be interested to hear how Red Bull pulls off a lot of their deals. Who knows maybe that's what it would take, a huge corprate sponsor like Monster or Red Bull to make it work again.
I doubt any corperate deal would touch it.. just WAY to much risk involved IMO... not just the danger of hurting yourself, but the slide danger just puts everyone in/involved at risk. And I think the beauty of the whole event wast the sorta unsanctioned factor, just a bunch of people getting together to show people what they have.. no rules, no regs, just show up and do it up....
and I think I could better make the point of my original post like this.
bunny humpers, liberal media, etc etc, THEY DONT LIKE SLEDDING. No matter what happens, they will turn it against us, we could freakin cure cancer and they would find something bad to say about it. No matter what we do, they will spin it to make us look bad and try to shut us down. Thats there game. IMO, you could try to have an event that went perfect, but all it takes is ONE rogue idiot, or just some fluke happening, someone gets hurt, or anything bad happens, BOOM, huge bad publicity, and a not worth risking it. The nature of an event like BIS has always been, no real organization, and I dont see trying to organize it working that well. There is to much freedom to cause trouble in the backcountry, and again, it doesnt take but the slightest thing to make it look bad, its not like we have people going into stands to watch, they all basically congregate on there own, and can compete somewhat sporadically. Its not like, oh no, your not on the list, you dont get to climb a chute today, anyone can show up and take a stab.
I hate to sound negative, I just see some things mentioned above as unrealistic goals and I hate to see the sledding community black-eying itslef worse then it already is.
and I think I could better make the point of my original post like this.
bunny humpers, liberal media, etc etc, THEY DONT LIKE SLEDDING. No matter what happens, they will turn it against us, we could freakin cure cancer and they would find something bad to say about it. No matter what we do, they will spin it to make us look bad and try to shut us down. Thats there game. IMO, you could try to have an event that went perfect, but all it takes is ONE rogue idiot, or just some fluke happening, someone gets hurt, or anything bad happens, BOOM, huge bad publicity, and a not worth risking it. The nature of an event like BIS has always been, no real organization, and I dont see trying to organize it working that well. There is to much freedom to cause trouble in the backcountry, and again, it doesnt take but the slightest thing to make it look bad, its not like we have people going into stands to watch, they all basically congregate on there own, and can compete somewhat sporadically. Its not like, oh no, your not on the list, you dont get to climb a chute today, anyone can show up and take a stab.
I hate to sound negative, I just see some things mentioned above as unrealistic goals and I hate to see the sledding community black-eying itslef worse then it already is.
even with a sponsor, what would keep them the sponsor form letting anyone try that shows up.
You wanna climb then ride over to a tent, sign the waiver and go pull the chute. By having a sponsor, they would in effect have a permit from the FS or whoever giving them control for a day over an area. You don't wanna sign, then go climb in a different area. Really no different then a hare scramble of public land. You show up and wanna ride you gotta pay and sign, you don't well too bad here's the paper from the FS giving us and our competitors access.
You wanna climb then ride over to a tent, sign the waiver and go pull the chute. By having a sponsor, they would in effect have a permit from the FS or whoever giving them control for a day over an area. You don't wanna sign, then go climb in a different area. Really no different then a hare scramble of public land. You show up and wanna ride you gotta pay and sign, you don't well too bad here's the paper from the FS giving us and our competitors access.
Perhaps fighting to live another day can apply to the so many other aspects of sledding that need fought for...not keeping the BIS alive. Why anyone would want to particpate in this event even if it was held again and disrespect those who were part of it is beyond me and you probably weren't at the slide. We have friends who were caught in it, others who saved people, and many friends were injured in it. One thing common with all of them is that it took them a long time to get back on the mountain and some (one,the most diehard sledder you can find) are considering not going back...ever! Give your head a shake, or get it out of the sand and look at the bigger picture. Standing tall and carrying on with an event like this to show that we can run one without an incident/fatality??...you better be 100% sure NOTHING goes wrong, which is impossible....and you can guarantee Revelstoke Snowmobile Club will not support an event like this for a awhile! Sponsors would be nuts to even talk about it for a few years, the BIS as it was has to die and perhaps be re-born but it will take some time, if ever. Our energy as a sledding community is far better spent elsewhere IMO.
Now if this event could be organised to take place at the Revelstoke Mountain Resort,this is the ski hill in Revy it could be a event like the Jackson Hillclimb.
It could happen at any of the ski hills from Golden west to Whistler after their season shuts down,but having a event on crown land will eventually ruin or shut down backcountry riding as we now know it.
It would be a safe event on private land and would keep goverment and greenies out of it.
It could happen at any of the ski hills from Golden west to Whistler after their season shuts down,but having a event on crown land will eventually ruin or shut down backcountry riding as we now know it.
It would be a safe event on private land and would keep goverment and greenies out of it.
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THAT WOULD BE A VERY VERY GOOD IDEA!!!! Might be worth a shot..... but we might have to rename it.... ? jk
You can't fix stupid. There will always be idiot with anything you do. Sometimes, people just get caught in the moment and forget what they know. Liberals think you can fix stupid by passing more rules and regulations to take care of everyone because they aren't responsible for themselves. The biggest problem was everyone sitting too close. peoples sleds blocked in. Nobody thought it could happen. It wasn't the avalanche. There are always going to be avalanches. There are always going to be people die. Skiers get killed, every year, from avalanches too. I wish it never had to happen. The difference is the liberal media hates motorized recreation. We are losing are sport.Not because of an avalanche. WE are losing it because we as recreaters don't do anything about it. More or less like the hide are heads and hope they don't take it. They won't get it done, never happen to me theory. It is happening. I would like to see the big iron continue. Might have to make it a sanctioned event. which would involve insurance. Everyone is worried about the club. The club should get together and figure out a way to make this work. What kind of club doesn't want to promote a snowmobiling event. It can be made safer.
I am probably going to get flamed for this because I see a lot of thanks to the ones who want to hide but I don't care. People who hide or don't do anything are the cause not the cure. That is why we are losing are sport. Not the avalanche in revelstoke.
I am probably going to get flamed for this because I see a lot of thanks to the ones who want to hide but I don't care. People who hide or don't do anything are the cause not the cure. That is why we are losing are sport. Not the avalanche in revelstoke.
A lot skiers quit skiing when they lose the powder and this would give the ski hill operators a chance to make a ton of money instead of shutting down.
Insurance would still be in place and no chance of avalanche.
Its a win,win situation...
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Exactly, we would still have our event, the ski-hills would make ALOT of money ( well you know) and like you said.... no risk of AVALANCHES!!!!
This is crown land,the goverment is never going to let it happen.The only way it can happen is to be a unsanctioned event.
As far as the snowmobile club, they are constantly fighting to keep this area open from Cariboo closure.
The greenies are always trying to close this area down.
The club is fighting to keep these areas open for thousands and thousands of backcountry sledders not a few hundred that want to have a event like this.
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