Best AR-15?

[Chubbydog]

I was down at the local gun store last night, and one of the sales guys was telling me on a real good day before Christmas, they do about $28,000 in sales. He said last Wednesday after the election they did $62,000. He said they had 50,000 rounds of .223, and it was gone before noon. They usually have 2 walls full of AR-15's, and they only had a few left. They sold all the wall mounted ones, and all the ones they had in stock. He said they can't get them in fast enough to meet peoples demand.

I bought the Bushmaster A4Carbine about 6 years ago, and haven't had a problem with it. I think it depends alot on the amo you buy. My buddy who bought a DPMS, and used Wolf amo had his jam all the time. I put about 2,000 rounds through mine, and never had a jam.

 

[revrider1]

I shoot DPMS. 6.5x20 sniper, tactical sling, bipod, all camo.

 

[Supplicate]

all you need to know!!!!!!!!!
www.ar15.com

Getting AR advice on bARFcom is like getting relationship advice on SW. It just aint worth it, nor is it realistic

 

[$nowMeansBroke]

Getting AR advice on bARFcom is like getting relationship advice on SW. It just aint worth it, nor is it realistic

It's about like being here, you have to wade through the bullsh*t but there are some very knowledgeable people there and a ton of good info in the technical forums.

 

[Supplicate]

It's about like being here, you have to wade through the bullsh*t but there are some very knowledgeable people there and a ton of good info in the technical forums.

True, but in the case of AR's there are a lot better forums out there with less airsofters.

 

[Snow Fox]

True, but in the case of AR's there are a lot better forums out there with less airsofters.

Some people would probably say that about this forum as well when it comes to Snowmobil advice. Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one.

 

[Supplicate]

Some people would probably say that about this forum as well when it comes to Snowmobil advice. Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one.

Every website has ebbs and flows of info. I'm just saying there are better sites out there for pure tech talk on the AR then bARFcom.

 

[Boondockin800]

When I bought my DPMS they told me NOT to fire overseas ammo through it. Apparently the DPMS's chamber has a tighter tolerance and it doesn't handle cheap ammo unfortunately. A guy from work had the same thing happen to him. Lately I've been shooting the American Eagle ammo which is as cheap as USA made ammo gets, but is still loaded by Federal so I trust it.

I was down at the local gun store last night, and one of the sales guys was telling me on a real good day before Christmas, they do about $28,000 in sales. He said last Wednesday after the election they did $62,000. He said they had 50,000 rounds of .223, and it was gone before noon. They usually have 2 walls full of AR-15's, and they only had a few left. They sold all the wall mounted ones, and all the ones they had in stock. He said they can't get them in fast enough to meet peoples demand.

I bought the Bushmaster A4Carbine about 6 years ago, and haven't had a problem with it. I think it depends alot on the amo you buy. My buddy who bought a DPMS, and used Wolf amo had his jam all the time. I put about 2,000 rounds through mine, and never had a jam.

 

[Fosgate]

Basically it is well known in the AR world to never fire Wolf Ammunition through your AR. Wolf .223 ammo has a coating on it that hardens like plastic in your AR and can ruin it cause it's such a pain to chisle out it's usually easier to buy new parts than to try and clean it out of the chamber and bore. The AK can take it because the fit is much looser (Tolerance) than the AR which makes the AR more accurate but more prone to jams.

 

[Freak]

Basically it is well known in the AR world to never fire Wolf Ammunition through your AR. Wolf .223 ammo has a coating on it that hardens like plastic in your AR and can ruin it cause it's such a pain to chisle out it's usually easier to buy new parts than to try and clean it out of the chamber and bore. The AK can take it because the fit is much looser (Tolerance) than the AR which makes the AR more accurate but more prone to jams.

I think this was true of the old wolf lacquer coated, but now wolf is polymer coated and is actually on the approved list with Bushmaster at least.

 

[Fosgate]

I think this was true of the old wolf lacquer coated, but now wolf is polymer coated and is actually on the approved list with Bushmaster at least.

Yup, I still won't use Wolf in my AR though. I shoot Utramax (even though they've been known to load a hot round every now and then, I get 55g FMJ through a friend on a Police Dept at $211 for a case of 1000rds), Black Hills ammo is the way to go if at all possible. I'd load my own but it really isn't cost effective for me to go out and buy a Dillon speed loading press or to load one at a time in my RCBS Rock Chucker.

 

[Freak]

Yup, I still won't use Wolf in my AR though. I shoot Utramax (even though they've been known to load a hot round every now and then, I get 55g FMJ through a friend on a Police Dept at $211 for a case of 1000rds), Black Hills ammo is the way to go if at all possible. I'd load my own but it really isn't cost effective for me to go out and buy a Dillon speed loading press or to load one at a time in my RCBS Rock Chucker.

dang get me a few cases of those please

 

[Fosgate]

Would if I could. Usually he can only get 3 cases every 6mo. and I have dibbs on one of them. But if I don't have a need I'll be sure to post here. Where you from?

 

[Supplicate]

I think this was true of the old wolf lacquer coated, but now wolf is polymer coated and is actually on the approved list with Bushmaster at least.

It isn't the coating that matters, its the case. Wolf uses steel cases, steel cases hold heat longer then brass cases which means they are still expanded into the micro structure of your chamber when the bolt is on the extract portion of its travel which inevitably leads to ejection issues. Brass can do the expansion and contraction one hell of a lot faster then steel.

 

[CCRider]

I have a Colt A-2 H-Bar full size and a DPMS A-2 Carbine shorty model.Both have been excellent weapons.Both shoot nice tight groups with proper ammo selection and cleaning. DPMS offers several opitions caliber wise.

 

[rynokron]

Where are you guys getting your ammo? ammoman.com looked like it had some good prices, but were out of stock on alot of stuff. Lots of Wolf ammo in stock though. lol. I'm looking for some "cheap" .223 brass case stuff for plinking.

 

[snow_knight]

my three votes..

#1 build one yourself.. .. pretty easy to do
#2 les beaur custom
#3 stag arms

 

[$nowMeansBroke]

It isn't the coating that matters, its the case. Wolf uses steel cases, steel cases hold heat longer then brass cases which means they are still expanded into the micro structure of your chamber when the bolt is on the extract portion of its travel which inevitably leads to ejection issues. Brass can do the expansion and contraction one hell of a lot faster then steel.

I've run well over a thousand rounds of Wolf 55gr. FMJ through my 16" Del-Ton upper, and never had any sort of problem besides one or two dud rounds. From what I've read and seen, the problem with the steel cases is that they don't expand as much as brass cases do. That means that they don't seal to the chamber completely and allow gas and carbon to flow back into the chamber. The dirty chamber is what will cause cases to stick, especially if you switch from steel to brass without cleaning the chamber out. But for $3 a box cheaper than anything else except my reloads, I'll run a chamber brush in there a couple of times.

The polymer coating on the Wolf won't melt, hold a torch to it.

 

[MtnDoo]

.223 Remington (AR15 HBII) vs 9MM (M4)...

As I understand it - 9mm is for closer range, more stopping power, and .223 is standard 100yd coverage?

Are there other differentiators?

Thx!

MD.

 

[Supplicate]

I've run well over a thousand rounds of Wolf 55gr. FMJ through my 16" Del-Ton upper, and never had any sort of problem besides one or two dud rounds.

woo. A thousand rounds really isn't that big of a deal. I don't run Wolf through my AR's because I listen to the advice of people that run a few thousand rounds a month through their AR's.

From what I've read and seen, the problem with the steel cases is that they don't expand as much as brass cases do. That means that they don't seal to the chamber completely and allow gas and carbon to flow back into the chamber.

That depends on what kind of a chamber you are talking about. Was it cut SAAMI minimum or maximum spec? Is it a Wylde chamber rather then a NATO chamber? Is it even in SAAMI spec?

Saying that it doesn't expand enough to seal the chamber is too broad of an example, you need more criteria to make it plausible.

The dirty chamber is what will cause cases to stick, especially if you switch from steel to brass without cleaning the chamber out.

A dirty chamber is one cause of it for sure, but by no means is it the only cause. To think that is the only cause is a case study in naivety.

But for $3 a box cheaper than anything else except my reloads, I'll run a chamber brush in there a couple of times.

I would rather spend a little extra money and not have to worry about the extra maintenance. Hell, I know guys who polish their chambers to alleviate the problem I mentioned above just so they can run steel cased ammo exclusively. But they still wind up with stuck cases.

Anyone that shoots long enough with a high enough round count will experience a stuck case sooner or later.

The polymer coating on the Wolf won't melt, hold a torch to it.

The thing that irks me is coating the cases violates the most basic principle of K.I.S.S.



Don't get me wrong, I love running wolf through the guns that were built to run it such as the AK and SKS variants but I don't run it through my AR's.

A good quote is: Shoot commie ammo through commie guns, and American ammo through American guns.