battle of the 8s.skidoo spanks the competition

[NoSecondChances]

Well it won't go up avy chutes and thank god for that. But it will go sidways up into areas that have never been touched by a machine. More of the MTN becomes a play ground. Not just those clear areas.

oh god not another one..... We boondock in the trees all day, and while not as tight as maybe what you can ride on a KTM with track, the difference will be less than marginal under different snow conditions. Besides that, I can go ride straight up if I want.

I wouldn't say that just being able to ride in the trees opens the mountain up, if anything the gain in terrain is offset by the loss of areas where you can't ride (i.e. straight up), so the net difference is riding in different terrain, not a gain of greater diversity and or gain of physical area. How much terrain are you losing by not being able to climb out of one bowl and into the next?

If you think that it will take you where no sled has been before (or can go), well.....I won't be the one to burst your bubble.

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[adrenalinejky]

oh god not another one..... We boondock in the trees all day, and while not as tight as maybe what you can ride on a KTM with track, the difference will be less than marginal under different snow conditions. Besides that, I can go ride straight up if I want.

I wouldn't say that just being able to ride in the trees opens the mountain up, if anything the gain in terrain is offset by the loss of areas where you can't ride (i.e. straight up), so the net difference is riding in different terrain, not a gain of greater diversity and or gain of physical area. How much terrain are you losing by not being able to climb out of one bowl and into the next?

If you think that it will take you where no sled has been before (or can go), well.....I won't be the one to burst your bubble.

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Granted really good riders can ride in the trees on sleds. I have witnessed it. But those are not in the norm. If you take and average snowmobiler and a average bike rider. The places you can go on the bike with confidence are amazing. I'm not dissing sleds or the riders that ride them. I have riddden both and would put myself as and above average rider. The group of sledder I ride with are above average also. They and I had our doubts about what a bike with a track would do. It was apperant that after about a 1/2 hour of trial and error, It would go into some crazy wacked out tight areas without the fear of not being able to turn around. After a couple of days Of testing what it would and wouldn't do, it was appearnt it was a tree machine. It will climb out of bowls and most hills. But long pulls straight up hills are not its strong point. I would love to ride with some guys and gals that can ride in the trees, With confidence. Just remember when your side hilling and I'm weaving in and out of trees with little to no effort, don't come crying to me that its unfair. And I won't cry when your shooting up avy chutes and I'm sitting at the bottem shaking my head. Its all fun till some one dies. I have ridden both to have a opinion, have you?

 

[2001400ex]

I like all these "mine is better than yours" and "this sled WILL outclimb this sled"

I have not that knowledgable about sleds, but I do know it all depends on setup. Last March my 2001 800ZX (only a can) took my buddies 2007 Summit 800 (can, reeds, big wheel). It was flat on a trail, basically we held close then about 50 mph I started to pull him til about 70 and we ran out of room with me about a sled lenght ahead. Does that mean a 2001 is faster or will outclimb a 2007 Rev? Uh, no. He needs to reclutch his bad and mine only has about 1,100 miles and is in pristine condition.

Then you say, well stock vs stock is fair. Yeah, not so much. There are a ton of little tweaks you can make while your sled is stock to change how well it rides. A person who knows how to tweak their sled will have a better sled than a gimp like me. haha (I just got lucky and bought a killer sled).

 

[NoSecondChances]

I won't cry when your shooting up avy chutes and I'm sitting at the bottem shaking my head. Its all fun till some one dies. I have ridden both to have a opinion, have you?

Shake your head all you want - I don't ride avy chutes, I'm talking about just riding up a hill to get into the next area. We watched a guy on a snowbike kit try and climb this hill (see pic below) one day in about 2 feet of powder for 30 mins - he couldn't get make it. This area leads to another area with some nice bowls. Sorry no pics of the day the snowbike was there.

Don't get me wrong, I think they're cool. But I often see guys buy something and then start claiming that "riding style ____" is the best and no one can touch me on my "whatever" 'cause its the best at "____".

Sorry, but I just don't buy it. Sure a snowbike might boondock great, sure a turbo yammy might climb hills great, sure an XP might be the best trail sled out there. End of the day, most sledders are not "riding style specific", we like to do a little of everything and have a vehicle that does most things really well.

Can you out "boondock" me (bike vs sled)? Probably. Can a turbo yammy wax me on the big hills? Sure. Does my sled handle like an XP on the trail? Hell no.

Is my sled a good compromise for the type of riding I do? Yes. It boondocks well, it climbs well, and for the limited trail riding I do on the way to the hills, it gets me up and down safely. So I could really care less about the "ultimate boondocker" snowbike and how it will kick my @ss in the tight trees, because the versatility of my sled allows me to go other places that your snowbike won't. I will gladly sacrifice a "one trick pony" for one type of riding, to be able to ride in many areas, with a versatile mix of terrain.

I'm talking from experience. I have a hillclimb bike - it does one thing very well but it only does one thing. Do I go out and say "this bike is the best type of bike out there and your stock CR will not touch my hilllclimber"? No - the reason being, I know that many riders like to ride other terrain like trails/tracks/enduro/dunes/trials, etc, and there is no way my 11 foot motorcycle is going to turn in the tight trees like an enduro bike and there is no way I'm going to clear that double jump on the track like a CR. Can they climb as high on a steep hill? no, but they can go riding in the dunes one day and then go to the track the next, when I'm limited to riding only a certain type of terrain.

To each their own - but let us each have our own. Until I ride with someone, I never assume anything about how they ride - sometimes people surprise you. Some days you're the teacher, some days you're the student.

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[powder pounder]

Apples to oranges. I ride a pg m8 and a kx450 2moto kit. I sell both aswell and am sick of people arguing about what is better. I love both and they are very different. I will go sleding this winter and will have a blast and will look at some tight tree area and think I wish I had my bike. On the other side I will be on my bike and be having a blast and think I wish I could go into that powder bowl but know I will not get out with my snowbike. The snow bike is perfect for the avid dirtbiker that wants to have a blast out in the snow with there bike. In the perfect world you could have both like me. Ha.

 

[high time]

It would be fun to try one.

It's all fun. It's just that it seems that you and your buddies should ride the same type of equipment to get the most out of any ride.

Owen

 

[Turtlehead]

. Mine's Bigger

 

[MEDIUMPIMPN]

Wow

I just read this thread and i feel the same as i did after watching monty python and the holy grail, its like i am extremely intoxicated and some one just bit ch slapped me and farted in my face and all i can do is stare blankely completely dumbfounded

 

[Turtlehead]

I just read this thread and i feel the same as i did after watching monty python and the holy grail, its like i am extremely intoxicated and some one just bit ch slapped me and farted in my face and all i can do is stare blankely completely dumbfounded

LOL !!I agree!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

 

[brahm]

meh I have a cat, and a doo. They are both fun sleds I really like messing around on my short track mcat, but when my rev is working correctly I'd rather be riding it, even though it doesn't tip as easy it feels more nimble, last season I was having all sorts of problems and I was out climbed by mcat 136 on my 07 Rev.. fixed a few things and I can do things on my rev that I wouldn't try on my cat. Just goes to show that a couple little things can utterly destroy the performance of a sled they all work great with proper upkeep ect. I've also switched back and forth with a few buddies who have m8s an 07 and an 06 I believe I defiantly found tipping them over initially was a lot easier, but I had a harder time maintaining that balance it was very easy to tip them "to far over" while my rev it takes a bit heavier hand to tip it but once it's over it's easier for me to control my powturns threw the trees and around obstacles.

 

[sledboy127]

how about everyone who is *****ing shuts the fawk up and rides what they got, i'm sick of hereing stories about my sled beat your sled. Might as while argue who's dick is bigger.

Just ride what you like and don't complain. don't *****, and don't whine.

 

[thegeneral]

70% Rider 30% sled

If all things were equal

an above average rider could probably get on any one of the 800's and smoke an average rider on any one of the four 800's

I ride with small group of guys and we are very competitive with one another, and could care less what everyone else on the hill is riding
We just happen to all ride XP's

oddly enough we are often the only group in the area lol

 

[89sandman]

I just read this thread and i feel the same as i did after watching monty python and the holy grail, its like i am extremely intoxicated and some one just bit ch slapped me and farted in my face and all i can do is stare blankely completely dumbfounded

bring me the holy handgrenade! run away, run away. would that be a african or english swallow???????????

 

[Teth-Air]

Didn't know an XP could make a steep pull without stopping to change a belt. Ya your right , I'm a PO'd former XP owner.

No offense but you must not be very handy on the wrenches if you let a little tuning get the better of you.

 

[hypnotoad]

bring me the holy handgrenade! run away, run away. would that be a african or english swallow???????????

such a great movie, that makes me want to watch it. And i think i shall.

 

[wweverett]

If all things were equal

an above average rider could probably get on any one of the 800's and smoke an average rider on any one of the four 800's

I ride with small group of guys and we are very competitive with one another, and could care less what everyone else on the hill is riding
We just happen to all ride XP's

oddly enough we are often the only group in the area lol

That says it all, rider ability. So just ride what ya got if you cant keep up mod it. If that does not help then its the riders skill and either dig deep or pick a new hobby.

 

[jpxp154]

i agree with these guys all the way.

 

[icr]

Might as while argue who's dick is bigger.

. Mine's Bigger

Now that that's cleared up, let's go back to comparing apples to oranges. Personally I like the shiny-ness of an apple, but the citrus-ness or an orange, which sled manufacturer do you think will combine this into one sled first?

 

[tranquillicer]

No offense but you must not be very handy on the wrenches if you let a little tuning get the better of you.

Well I.ve been around the block a few times(I use to pull wrenches for a living) and there was a little more than wrenches involved in the clutching issues with these sleds and I didn't buy one to wrench on it. That's the only problem I had with them.

 

[M8Chris]

I'm post #140 so I'm better than you guys!