BTW...one of the Lakewood officers got one round into him...center punched him right in the gut at his stomach...he ended up stuffing the bullet hole with cotton balls and duct-taping over it to control the bleeding while his equally douche-bag friends and family lied for him, drove him around, hid him, made false 911 calls to throw the PD off his trail. unreal...
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BTW...one of the Lakewood officers got one round into him...center punched him right in the gut at his stomach...he ended up stuffing the bullet hole with cotton balls and duct-taping over it to control the bleeding while his equally douche-bag friends and family lied for him, drove him around, hid him, made false 911 calls to throw the PD off his trail. unreal...
I was going to address this to EricW, as sort of a reply to his post, but decided it's worthy of a public post.
You know, I get a giggle out of those shirts and stickers that say "I carry a gun 'cuz a cop is too heavy" and "when seconds count, the police are minutes away". I don't read them as derogatory, and I'll explain.
The police do a job most of us would not like to do. In so many ways, it's thankless. (I'll take this opportunity to thank GoodtoGo, RichyRich and Palmerc specifically for your service, and any others in general that have not identified themselves as cops.) But, those humorous quotes that end up on t-shirts and bumpers have an underlying concept: The police can't be everywhere all the time. Frankly, we probably don't want that condition, because that would mean our society has likely decayed into a police state.
I fully support my local law enforcement folks, but I don't think our country's founding fathers intended us to rely upon them for everything. First and foremost, my family's safety is put on my shoulders. I actually believe it's a responsibility given to me by God: I am the head of my household, and I am to be a servant leader. (I'm not trying to cram my faith down others' throats, so please don't take it that way) It's easy to say and understand it's my job to teach my kids not to run into the street w/o looking, not to talk to strangers, that sort of stuff. But I also believe that extends to being prepared to fight (if necessary) for their safety. I hope it never comes to that, but you'd better believe I take my responsibility seriously.
I can't help but think that if others adopted that attitude, we'd have a more polite society, (and not out of fear, but out of respect) and we'd certainly have a safer one - and we'd be able to enjoy that increased safety, while maintaining more freedoms. Keep in mind that you can't count on freedom and peace at the same time, its almost always an either-or kinda deal, unless we each use that freedom to take responsibility for our own safety. And, to be clear, I'm talking safety, not justice. This concept is separate from a functioning justice system, and should not be confused with vigilante practices. Defense, not vengeance.
But, all that said, strapping a hog-leg to your hip doesn't make you Wyatt Earp, just like a mohawk doesn't make you Chuck Liddell, and a cookbook doesn't make you Emeril Lagasse. You must educate yourself, and practice. Part of that includes deciding beforehand to what lengths you are willing to go to defend yourself, your family, and even a stranger; and these levels may be different.
best wishes to you all,
PE
You know, I get a giggle out of those shirts and stickers that say "I carry a gun 'cuz a cop is too heavy" and "when seconds count, the police are minutes away". I don't read them as derogatory, and I'll explain.
The police do a job most of us would not like to do. In so many ways, it's thankless. (I'll take this opportunity to thank GoodtoGo, RichyRich and Palmerc specifically for your service, and any others in general that have not identified themselves as cops.) But, those humorous quotes that end up on t-shirts and bumpers have an underlying concept: The police can't be everywhere all the time. Frankly, we probably don't want that condition, because that would mean our society has likely decayed into a police state.
I fully support my local law enforcement folks, but I don't think our country's founding fathers intended us to rely upon them for everything. First and foremost, my family's safety is put on my shoulders. I actually believe it's a responsibility given to me by God: I am the head of my household, and I am to be a servant leader. (I'm not trying to cram my faith down others' throats, so please don't take it that way) It's easy to say and understand it's my job to teach my kids not to run into the street w/o looking, not to talk to strangers, that sort of stuff. But I also believe that extends to being prepared to fight (if necessary) for their safety. I hope it never comes to that, but you'd better believe I take my responsibility seriously.
I can't help but think that if others adopted that attitude, we'd have a more polite society, (and not out of fear, but out of respect) and we'd certainly have a safer one - and we'd be able to enjoy that increased safety, while maintaining more freedoms. Keep in mind that you can't count on freedom and peace at the same time, its almost always an either-or kinda deal, unless we each use that freedom to take responsibility for our own safety. And, to be clear, I'm talking safety, not justice. This concept is separate from a functioning justice system, and should not be confused with vigilante practices. Defense, not vengeance.
But, all that said, strapping a hog-leg to your hip doesn't make you Wyatt Earp, just like a mohawk doesn't make you Chuck Liddell, and a cookbook doesn't make you Emeril Lagasse. You must educate yourself, and practice. Part of that includes deciding beforehand to what lengths you are willing to go to defend yourself, your family, and even a stranger; and these levels may be different.
best wishes to you all,
PE
Excellent post as usual from 4Z and great replies from people too.
Glad the SPD officer came across this guy before he moved on and shot anyone else.
Glad the SPD officer came across this guy before he moved on and shot anyone else.
OK - Enough is enough. Several here have made an assumption these poor Lakewood Officers were sitting with their backs to the door and that only "Philly and NYC cops know better".
Those making this assumption couldn't be more WRONG. I have several close friends that work for LakeWood; much of what happened is not public information yet.
This little tip has been taught at all police academies since at least the early 1970's. Most Officers do it 24/7, even when going out to dinner with their families.
Ones that want to critque this should have their facts straight. You have no idea of the impact on this Police Dept.
Sorry for the rant, just setting the record straight......
Those making this assumption couldn't be more WRONG. I have several close friends that work for LakeWood; much of what happened is not public information yet.
This little tip has been taught at all police academies since at least the early 1970's. Most Officers do it 24/7, even when going out to dinner with their families.
Ones that want to critque this should have their facts straight. You have no idea of the impact on this Police Dept.
Sorry for the rant, just setting the record straight......
FOR EVERYONE---
Additionally, for those who haven't heard or don't know, Papa John's Pizza is donating 100% of their profits from all sales at all stores on both tuesday and wednesday to the families of the 4 Lakewood PD officers. So if you love pizza, and even if you don't -- support this business doing a very cool thing for these families. have pizza for lunch or dinner or both on Tuesday and Wednesday this week.
thanks for steppin' up Papa John's. I know I'm gonna order some. Thanks all...cool way to help the families, and it's delicious!!!
Additionally, for those who haven't heard or don't know, Papa John's Pizza is donating 100% of their profits from all sales at all stores on both tuesday and wednesday to the families of the 4 Lakewood PD officers. So if you love pizza, and even if you don't -- support this business doing a very cool thing for these families. have pizza for lunch or dinner or both on Tuesday and Wednesday this week.
thanks for steppin' up Papa John's. I know I'm gonna order some. Thanks all...cool way to help the families, and it's delicious!!!
The violence and possible retaliation of being a cop come with the job. If you're wearing your uniform you should sit with your back to the wall facing the door.[/QUOTE]
Your right my job can be violent and I do face the risk of retaliation everytime I park the patrol car outside my house or everytime I see a felon in the store when I am with my family. It is scary to have a person convited of violent felonies approach me in public, I have been lucky that they want to tell me about how well they are doing now. I accept that risk because you have no idea how good it makes you feel to see the relief in the eyes of a child when you haul their abuser to jail. That kid can sleep at least for one night knowing they won't be abused. That is why I am in law enforcement.
The cops in Lakewood had their backs to the wall. People still can get the drop on you though, it happened in Lakewood. It takes the average person 1.5 seconds to react to a threat. 3/4 of a second to perceive a threat and 3/4 of a second to react to a threat. Now take into account that they were sitting down with a table in front of you. It will take you at least 2 seconds from the time you see the gun to be ready to fire back. With guns these days you can easily fire 5 rounds in 2 seconds. These officers had no chance, they were doing everything they could to be safe.
A nightmare still brought on by a CHILD RAPIST occured, I would say anyone who rapes children are crazy.
It is sad to see that people have such little regard for human life that they wont think twice about ending 4 lives cops or not.
Your right my job can be violent and I do face the risk of retaliation everytime I park the patrol car outside my house or everytime I see a felon in the store when I am with my family. It is scary to have a person convited of violent felonies approach me in public, I have been lucky that they want to tell me about how well they are doing now. I accept that risk because you have no idea how good it makes you feel to see the relief in the eyes of a child when you haul their abuser to jail. That kid can sleep at least for one night knowing they won't be abused. That is why I am in law enforcement.
The cops in Lakewood had their backs to the wall. People still can get the drop on you though, it happened in Lakewood. It takes the average person 1.5 seconds to react to a threat. 3/4 of a second to perceive a threat and 3/4 of a second to react to a threat. Now take into account that they were sitting down with a table in front of you. It will take you at least 2 seconds from the time you see the gun to be ready to fire back. With guns these days you can easily fire 5 rounds in 2 seconds. These officers had no chance, they were doing everything they could to be safe.
A nightmare still brought on by a CHILD RAPIST occured, I would say anyone who rapes children are crazy.
It is sad to see that people have such little regard for human life that they wont think twice about ending 4 lives cops or not.
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