Bagged cop killer
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Banned
Tap Tap............... Boom.
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fassteddie
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this one was done rite!
He left 4 w/o their spouses. 9 children w/o their parent.
He saved the State of WA. millions by avoiding 20 yrs. of legal battles and keeping a child rapist/cold blooded murderer at the Walla Walla Hilton....
He saved the State of WA. millions by avoiding 20 yrs. of legal battles and keeping a child rapist/cold blooded murderer at the Walla Walla Hilton....
I would of preferred a little torture and a slower death. Good thing i'm not a cop, because I would of been a dirty one. This State needs to frikken wake up and this country for that matter........
Bigskins
Bigskins
I told my wife when this started that he would be killed. They tried to kill the other one last month in Seattle.
I want to know why they kill or try to kill the people that kill or attack cops and not for the other scum bags that do it to regular citizens that aren't cops....why don't they put out the effort for any of the killers that make it away from the crime scenes of regular citizens? why would we as citizens be held accountable for killing someone that killed someone in our family?
I think he got what he deserved, but I also have a bitter taste about the "special" nature of the last 2 cop events. I don't know what it is...maybe a gang mentality that no one can do anything about.....
I agree, I think I would have started by blowing his knees apart and let him revel in the pain for a while.
So very sad. I'm glad they shot him!!
Feed the Lion's
I wish the best to all the familys involved in this tragic time.
I wish the best to all the familys involved in this tragic time.
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I understand he was wounded on Sunday...hopefully it was painful to the end.
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EricW
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I completely agree that having this criminal off the streets and out of the system forever is a good thing. I would like to see us focus a little passion and discussion on "What was he doing out in the first place", which is a bad thing. I have watched all news channels to see what the conditions were that led to his commuted sentence in Arkansas from then Gov. Mike Huckabee. I am a conservative and I like what I know/see about Mike in his on air work. The O'Rielly Factor seemed to be the only show to pin Mike down on details. Mike stated that this criminal was given what he/they figured was an excessive sentence of 100+ years at age 16. Mike told of many unanimous recommendations from parole peeps to the Judges to reduce his sentence which eventually made him eligible for parole.
What Mike didn't talk about was what were the original charges that netted a 16 year old a 100+ year sentence? If it was stealing a six pack then maybe Mike did the right thing given the circumstances, if it was violent crime or worse, he should be held accountable as well. I have to wonder if even at age 16 were the warning signs of a career criminal that would not be re-habbed in prison and suitable for public life? O'Rielly gave Huckabee a pass on not pinning him down on the reduced prison term circumstances in my opinion. He is not known for doing this for others that I have seen. It was also stated that Clemmons broke his Arkansas parole. Why was he not taken back there and his original sentence reinstated?
Then of course we have the rape and assault charges that he got while in Washington. How did 2 Judges see their way to a $15,000 bail for a criminal of this caliber with such a known record?
This is the stuff we need to form up and lash out against.
I can relate to Yammadog's concerns about police going the extra mile for their brother/sisters compared to civilians. I have been a Mayor in charge of a police dept. I have hired police chiefs. I have served on the Civil Service Commission for police hires at all levels. Here is what my experience tells me. For many decades now we "the Civilian Public" have stood by idle while judges, jury's and trial lawyers have devastated the careers and lives of many fine officers. Cops have been on the receiving end of the "One Call That's All" type personal injury lawyers for way too long. We the people have allowed this to happen. How many of us have ever written a letter or cited a specific case of a bad prosecutor or a judge at election time? How many have pressured a city council member or county commissioner when we see a popular officer being thrown under the bus of public perception for political reasons.
Cops live with this kind of thing every day. By asking them to stretch their necks and careers out for us, they would have to know we would do it for them. Like their fellow officers would. That’s the difference.
I agree they are paid to protect and serve all in their jurisdiction, but that said, the ones they can count on for sure not to sue them, fire them, or in worst cases shoot at them, is their fellow officers. That has to create a loyalty that is stronger and in effect gets more attention from them.
In my small town when I was at the helm, officers and the chief knew that I and the City had their backs if they took down a scum bag or looked into a car without a warrant. They knew we would not abandon them or jeopardize their careers for doing the job that we asked of them just because it might get a little politically stinky from time to time. If each one of us through elections and public out cry installed this type of confidence and history in our communities, you would see cops operating and getting results at a far greater level, like they do for "one of their own".
The question is what can we do to become more "one of their own"? I think it starts with each one of us taking a part in our community and being proactive. This will build the atmosphere and the trust that is needed for cops to do the job they love and that they are trained to do rather than focusing on law suits.
The people of Washington rising up against the Judges and the circumstances that allowed this murderer/rapist to walk on $15,000 bail would be a good start to that end. We should also rally behind those who will no doubt be working hard to ease they pain for the families of these fallen officers. I/we have rallied and supported victims/families of avalanche and riding injuries, this should be a no brainer.
Thoughts and prayers to the families of
Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39
Officer Ronald Owens, 37
Officer Tina Griswold, 40
Officer Greg Richards, 42
May these brave American Police Officers Rest in Peace.
EW
What Mike didn't talk about was what were the original charges that netted a 16 year old a 100+ year sentence? If it was stealing a six pack then maybe Mike did the right thing given the circumstances, if it was violent crime or worse, he should be held accountable as well. I have to wonder if even at age 16 were the warning signs of a career criminal that would not be re-habbed in prison and suitable for public life? O'Rielly gave Huckabee a pass on not pinning him down on the reduced prison term circumstances in my opinion. He is not known for doing this for others that I have seen. It was also stated that Clemmons broke his Arkansas parole. Why was he not taken back there and his original sentence reinstated?
Then of course we have the rape and assault charges that he got while in Washington. How did 2 Judges see their way to a $15,000 bail for a criminal of this caliber with such a known record?
This is the stuff we need to form up and lash out against.
I can relate to Yammadog's concerns about police going the extra mile for their brother/sisters compared to civilians. I have been a Mayor in charge of a police dept. I have hired police chiefs. I have served on the Civil Service Commission for police hires at all levels. Here is what my experience tells me. For many decades now we "the Civilian Public" have stood by idle while judges, jury's and trial lawyers have devastated the careers and lives of many fine officers. Cops have been on the receiving end of the "One Call That's All" type personal injury lawyers for way too long. We the people have allowed this to happen. How many of us have ever written a letter or cited a specific case of a bad prosecutor or a judge at election time? How many have pressured a city council member or county commissioner when we see a popular officer being thrown under the bus of public perception for political reasons.
Cops live with this kind of thing every day. By asking them to stretch their necks and careers out for us, they would have to know we would do it for them. Like their fellow officers would. That’s the difference.
I agree they are paid to protect and serve all in their jurisdiction, but that said, the ones they can count on for sure not to sue them, fire them, or in worst cases shoot at them, is their fellow officers. That has to create a loyalty that is stronger and in effect gets more attention from them.
In my small town when I was at the helm, officers and the chief knew that I and the City had their backs if they took down a scum bag or looked into a car without a warrant. They knew we would not abandon them or jeopardize their careers for doing the job that we asked of them just because it might get a little politically stinky from time to time. If each one of us through elections and public out cry installed this type of confidence and history in our communities, you would see cops operating and getting results at a far greater level, like they do for "one of their own".
The question is what can we do to become more "one of their own"? I think it starts with each one of us taking a part in our community and being proactive. This will build the atmosphere and the trust that is needed for cops to do the job they love and that they are trained to do rather than focusing on law suits.
The people of Washington rising up against the Judges and the circumstances that allowed this murderer/rapist to walk on $15,000 bail would be a good start to that end. We should also rally behind those who will no doubt be working hard to ease they pain for the families of these fallen officers. I/we have rallied and supported victims/families of avalanche and riding injuries, this should be a no brainer.
Thoughts and prayers to the families of
Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39
Officer Ronald Owens, 37
Officer Tina Griswold, 40
Officer Greg Richards, 42
May these brave American Police Officers Rest in Peace.
EW
Excellent post EW.
Thanks EricW (and EricBB) - I would have liked to work for a Mayor like you. I'm on the Kititas Co. Civil Service Commission. Can you PM me the county/city you are with? Thanks...
Thanks EW.
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EricW
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City of Kettle Falls, NE of Spokane. "Home of 1,35? Friendly People and one Grouch". I gave it up in 03 or 04. I really loved serving, but got a chance to live near Lake Roosevelt so moved out of town. I have not missed people cornering me in the local grill to ask why the plows put snow in their driveways just as my first bite of prime rib enters my mouth.
For those still wondering, it's because there is no where else to put it. Having the streets open to traffic and emergency services seems a priority for what ever reason. lol.
I really do feel all jokes aside that the strength of a community and it's willingness to get involved and serve has a direct impact not just on policing, but all levels of local government. There are many great examples in cities and counties in the State. What baffles me is why the ones that aren't great examples don't load up their elected/appointed officials with a batch of yellow pads and ink pens and head out for a day or two of note taking in the communities and jurisdictions that are successful. Not every community or department has to invent the wheel here, just grab some free info from the ones that work the way you want yours to.
If you look at communities that are seen as sucessful in one aspect (say policing), they are usually successful in their schools, sports, streets, counties, and usually have awesome breakfast places where $.50 will get you a cup of coffee and some great information if your ears are open about 7am.
If a community is willing to stand up for and in support of its local services, they usually will get their wish and a great quality of life. Don't think for a minute that the cream of the crop in civil servants don't know where these places are as well and thats why they continue to get good hires and lateral transfers rather than being the continual stepping stone for new trainees that then leave their local jurisdictions for $300 a month more a few miles down the road. I've seen this dynaic a lot. Ya get what ya pay for folks.
Alright, rant over, "lets be careful out there". (can't remember the shift Sgt. from Hill Street Blues). I'm old. EW
EW, the real question is are you one of the nice people, or are you the grouch?
First,
My utmost condolences to the families of the fallen police officers.
Second,
EricW: thank you for taking the time with your posts. If people are willing to take it to heart, it can help them understand why cops/fire/military think and act the way they do.
Third,
Thank you to the SPD for acting decisively, and not allowing others to be hurt during the process of apprehending this person.
Fourth,
I hope I'm not out of line to offer another point of view on this.
The feeling around the City yesterday was kinda erie. We (fire) can adjust our radios to hear the cops' transmissions, and we kept an ear on them all day. I know we were all on edge.
At work we view each other as family. We live together, we spend holidays together, when we sleep it's in the same rooms, we eat at the same tables - every day. When we're not at work, we frequently hang out together, because we share the same warped schedule. We view the police as family as well.
Good or bad, we're the ones who show up when called, and we support the police for any medical assistance their events may require. Sometimes, this means working to 'save' an individual who was taken into custody for killing someone. It's kinda weird to work as hard as you can to save someone you really don't think deserves to live anymore. But that's my job.
I strongly agree with EricW, in every aspect of what he wrote. I'd like to put some emphasis on a concept: We as a community (local, state, and federal) need to hold our judicial system accountable for their decisions. Several (not just one) poor decisions were made throughout this idiot's criminal/penal process that led to him being out in the public. What's in the past is just that, past. But, we can tell our governmental officials that we are dissatisfied, and that we expect changes in their behaviors that will stop this from happening again.
In efforts to make money under the guise of criminals' civil liberties, the law-abiding public's freedoms have been reduced. The "one-call, that's all" criminal defense lawyers have made a large amount of money using technicalities and loop-holes to put evil folks out on the street. Then, on top of that, those folks that think the guns are what is evil (news flash, a mechanical device does not possess a will to do good or evil, only the user does) want to reduce citizens' ability to protect themselves.
I want to be careful how to present my next question. I don't want to 'armchair quarterback' a very sad situation, but the question is worth presenting: How would the situation have been different if 5 other folks (civilians) in that coffee shop were armed, and TRAINED on how to use their weapon effectively?
No amount of debating will bring the fallen officers back. All we can do is make sure we learn from this, and as citizens do our best to make sure this doesn't happen again.
I too am glad this person will never again harm another member of my family, and I believe justice has been served.
PE
My utmost condolences to the families of the fallen police officers.
Second,
EricW: thank you for taking the time with your posts. If people are willing to take it to heart, it can help them understand why cops/fire/military think and act the way they do.
Third,
Thank you to the SPD for acting decisively, and not allowing others to be hurt during the process of apprehending this person.
Fourth,
I hope I'm not out of line to offer another point of view on this.
The feeling around the City yesterday was kinda erie. We (fire) can adjust our radios to hear the cops' transmissions, and we kept an ear on them all day. I know we were all on edge.
At work we view each other as family. We live together, we spend holidays together, when we sleep it's in the same rooms, we eat at the same tables - every day. When we're not at work, we frequently hang out together, because we share the same warped schedule. We view the police as family as well.
Good or bad, we're the ones who show up when called, and we support the police for any medical assistance their events may require. Sometimes, this means working to 'save' an individual who was taken into custody for killing someone. It's kinda weird to work as hard as you can to save someone you really don't think deserves to live anymore. But that's my job.
I strongly agree with EricW, in every aspect of what he wrote. I'd like to put some emphasis on a concept: We as a community (local, state, and federal) need to hold our judicial system accountable for their decisions. Several (not just one) poor decisions were made throughout this idiot's criminal/penal process that led to him being out in the public. What's in the past is just that, past. But, we can tell our governmental officials that we are dissatisfied, and that we expect changes in their behaviors that will stop this from happening again.
In efforts to make money under the guise of criminals' civil liberties, the law-abiding public's freedoms have been reduced. The "one-call, that's all" criminal defense lawyers have made a large amount of money using technicalities and loop-holes to put evil folks out on the street. Then, on top of that, those folks that think the guns are what is evil (news flash, a mechanical device does not possess a will to do good or evil, only the user does) want to reduce citizens' ability to protect themselves.
I want to be careful how to present my next question. I don't want to 'armchair quarterback' a very sad situation, but the question is worth presenting: How would the situation have been different if 5 other folks (civilians) in that coffee shop were armed, and TRAINED on how to use their weapon effectively?
No amount of debating will bring the fallen officers back. All we can do is make sure we learn from this, and as citizens do our best to make sure this doesn't happen again.
I too am glad this person will never again harm another member of my family, and I believe justice has been served.
PE
WHEN is murder an asassination and WHAT is the difference??
Diamond, good question. I have always just thought of them differently, an assassination being more of a public version of a planned killing (murder). What do you think?
PE
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