Ascender lift spindle options and opinions

[wasatchcomm]

ok so the consensus is
riot spindles
TKI or Riot upper a arms

 

[Chewy22]

ok so the consensus is
riot spindles
TKI or Riot upper a arms

I would go with the TKI upper a arms. I'm not sure what the caster angle is on the riot uppers.

 

[IDspud]

If you don’t know the caster and are unfamiliar with them how do you base that recommendation?

 

[Chewy22]

If you don’t know the caster and are unfamiliar with them how do you base that recommendation?

Feedback and friends experience with the full TKI kit - wasn't aware I needed a certification to given an opinion!!!!

 

[IDspud]

No certificates required, just curious why you discount an arm as you say you know nothing about it.

I’ve got no skin in this at all.

 

[kanedog]

I’ve got no potato 4skin in this at all.

Explain

 

[IDspud]

Ripped it off in a French fry cutter.

 

[wasatchcomm]

any of you guys ride in the wyoming range or near it? I would really like to meet up and see what this is all about and maybe even see it in action compared to my stock set up, maybe its not for me, it would be expensive upgrade , and id like to see it in action before pulling the trigger. no worries if no one is in the area. I also bought 2 2018 cats 165,153, both seem to ride as good to me, but I haven't had a chance to get them on any crazy tight terrain, but all 3 are so much better than the 2014 I used to have

 

[boondocker97]

Ski stance on the Riot sleds are 41.5-43.5 adjustable. That upper arm would be too wide to run on the mountain sleds.

 

[summ8rmk]

Trail sleds are still 17° caster, unless they changed and didn't specify or i missed the article.
That is a great angle for trail sleds and easy steering, not so great for the sidehilling.

I would like to try ~22°.


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[Krause09]

Iceage new upper aarm puts it right at 21*
Also with the spindle tilted more forward it raised the front 3/8”

 

[sno*jet]

^do the ski tips point down when the front is in the air with those ice age arms?
I see could more of a benefit when running the long nosed stock skis, pulls them more under the sled.

 

[spoon]

Put TKI A arms I got from Sno*jet on with stock spindle on my 18 tonight and tried riding in my field. With stock ski rubber it pushed ski tips down so hard that any uneven terrain it grabbed and wanted to rip handlebars away to either side. Taking the Riot spindles off my other sled tomorrow night to install on this one and should be good but tipping the caster too far ahead on spindles not made for it may make for sketchy handling unless modifying the ski rubbers. When I put the Riots on in place of my 16 spindles I had to remove material from rear of ski rubber as skis pointed up too far. Putting 16 spindles back on that one and geometry of both should be better.

 

[sno*jet]

^oh hell yeah brother, i fully thought you intended to get riot spindles with those, that is where the magic happens apparently.

 

[Pinchecharlie]

Ice age sure are pretty!! Home town guys too. So is the main complaint about them they have to much caster for most? Seeing as they are milled could you ask for a certain caster I wonder? I have a 22 hc that I’d like to mess with for the sake of learning. I can’t ride all that great but in the spirit of hotroding like to spend money lol

 

[spoon]

^oh hell yeah brother, i fully thought you intended to get riot spindles with those, that is where the magic happens apparently.

Oh yeah, the riots are going on before I ride again, I was also doing some tuning and wanted to do a rip, nearly chucked me over bars twice at 30mph so stripping ones off the other sled tonight.

 

[Sage Crusher]

any of you guys ride in the wyoming range or near it? I would really like to meet up and see what this is all about and maybe even see it in action compared to my stock set up, maybe its not for me, it would be expensive upgrade , and id like to see it in action before pulling the trigger. no worries if no one is in the area. I also bought 2 2018 cats 165,153, both seem to ride as good to me, but I haven't had a chance to get them on any crazy tight terrain, but all 3 are so much better than the 2014 I used to have

I ride the Wyoming Range weekly ! Live 60 miles from it

 

[MrIQR]

Iceage new upper aarm puts it right at 21*
Also with the spindle tilted more forward it raised the front 3/8”

Was the reduced steering effort noticeable? These are on my list now that I have elevate spindles and more ski pressure.

 

[sno*jet]

dont see how you can raise the front and reduce ski pressure. i think what the arms do is make the skis stay flatter when turning side to side.

 

[spoon]

dont see how you can raise the front and reduce ski pressure. i think what the arms do is make the skis stay flatter when turning side to side.

Adjusting skid to match the lift is only way to reduce ski pressure if that is the goal. I found the geometry change with the TKI arms and Riot spindles made the sled more trail friendly like the 12-15s for steering effort. Still easy to initiate a sidehill like the 16+ geometry. Good compromise, haven't noticed any drawbacks yet other than me learning how to keep from overcompensating for the Alpha skid and how easy it lays over.