Ascender lift spindle options and opinions
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We have several alphas and a couple twin rail ascender chassis we take out together. Love the Alphas and rarely see the twin rails outshine them.
Lots of fun functional variables.
Lots of fun functional variables.
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even with the skid “dropped” but at the same time the back of my track is 1.5”-1.75” off the ground when the sled is on level ground.
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Post pics of your suspension and the suspension mount holes. I kinda dont believe you. You must save your reputation and show the 1.5” haha
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Post pics of your suspension and the suspension mount holes. I kinda dont believe you. You must save your reputation and show the 1.5” haha
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With material prices continuing to go up I think it's going to be tough for companies to offer any big discounts. Maybe a little bit at haydays time.
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I can get some pics. It’s pretty common that the back of the rails on these are 1”-2” off the ground. This skid is absolutely worthless and the chassis panels out bad too. For a beginner rider or one who only rides good snow it’d be fine but for me it’s sucks. I have to ride slow and constantly monitor/correct the washout, where as with a twin rail I can go hard to edge to edge and not worry about it washing.
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Was trying to post a video but not a option, will try to link it later, shows it washing. But here’s a practice course from tonight, something I could ride aggressive on my axys but have to back way off and basically manage how badly the track washes while trying not to panel and loose traction. If this chassis was out of the snow another 2” and had a two rails to transition between it would be unstoppable. But with the alpha I have to ride much slower and sometimes wrong foot forward to manage it whereas on my axys I’d be feet “on the pegs” and rail right up the whole way. Id guess on a course like this I’m 1 to 3 seconds slower on the alpha because of its handling traits.
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Yes on technical downhill side hill descents it will panel on firm snow, especially when you need to do a wrong foot forward pivot u-turn back up hill.
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Post pics of your suspension and the suspension mount holes. I kinda dont believe you. You must save your reputation and show the 1.5” haha
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Here ya go, it was 1.75” before dropping and now 1.25”. Dropping it was a improvement for me but it still panels bad, the more I ride it the more I’m leaning towards the ice age elevate for a 2” lift in front. I’m concerned about increasing ski pressure but at the same time it will get more weight on the skid rather then it being so focused towards the front of the machine. Planning on riding a couple more weeks, might grab a set now and try to get some baseline settings for next year.
sounds like you want a twin rail elevate haha. Forget the alpha rail
If you're worried about ski pressure, swap the skis for grippers
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Thank you for posting pics. We are trying to get to same thing! I was thinking to move the rear suspension up one hole. What do you think it will do to handling? Looking for the elusive light skis on an ascender!
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Front of the skid is dropped also. Some of us need the chassis out of the snow so it can perform on edge...
But if you flatten the rear on hard snow you eliminate the cantilever created by having the rear off the ground.
I understand why you’re raising the chassis, but trying to flatten your rear measurement is eliminating most of your transfer.
A long flat track wants to go straight and won’t let front lift.
A track with gap at the rear allows you to transfer weight back and lift skis easier, creates a fulcrum for lifting and turning.
Very relevant on hard surfaces, cushioned by deeper, softer surfaces.
I understand why you’re raising the chassis, but trying to flatten your rear measurement is eliminating most of your transfer.
A long flat track wants to go straight and won’t let front lift.
A track with gap at the rear allows you to transfer weight back and lift skis easier, creates a fulcrum for lifting and turning.
Very relevant on hard surfaces, cushioned by deeper, softer surfaces.
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Running the highest hole in the rear and dropped front will get you more weight transfer and it will be super playful but can be prone to trenching but manageable. Could likely find a sweet spot with preload/psi on the skid shocks. Ran some mtn iqr’s like that. Good set up for bow ties.
I want something that can be ridden aggressively on edge, the alpha skid ain’t it so for sure going twin.
The more I ride it the more I’m leaning towards the elevate spindles for panel clearance alone, go big or go home right? Manage ski pressure with skid settings and shock preload so opening a whole can of worms basically.
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Valid points. It’s not really hard snow in the springl. Should still get weight transfer with shock preload/psi/valving. My axys lays flat and runs circles on this thing on technical descents and climbs where you’re between edges the whole time. I could always runs the skid in the middle rear hole if it’s not transferring enough?
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