Are 4-Strokes Really Closing the Gap?

[Reeb]

Ya 15000 plus 2k for a turbo puts you at 17k and 1k for install puts you at 18k. I didn't shop around on prices and I am sure there was a better deal to be found.

At the end of the day to get into a Turbo Viper was going to cost a lot more money then a Polaris.

When Yamaha comes out with a sled that has roughly the same HP and whieght gut as the other manufactures two strokes I will be on board.

If you want to be fair and compare apples to apples you have to throw a big bore onto the Polaris. That way it's knocking on 180hp too. Only it won't have warranty, and likely not last the year.

I know of a Cat/Yamaha dealer that rode Yamaha 4s until he bought the dealership. He's had a hand in building some of the craziest machines we've ever seen(Rated R, Irmens Apex's etc, his own Nytro's) He was on a M8 since 2010 but after going over every possible combination of mods to each sled, he figured out he'd be ahead of the game by riding a Yamaha for next year. Reliability doesn't mean much as he sells his demo's every year but it means something to his customers who buy his demos. Resale will be substantially more even tho he'll have comparable money into either sled to get them the way he wants them. That was the selling factor for me in the discussion. After big bore and turbo M8's for the past 5 years he's back on a Yamaha. Pricepoint, power, reliability, and resale value squashes the 2s option this year. It really is just that simple.

 

[sidehil]

Got nothing but a piece of **** Yamaha on order!!!!!!

 

[christopher]

Yes you have Christopher - my brother who is used to 230+ mph cars said our 1100T Big Chute had too much power for him...after he almost killed us both. Ask Amber about that one. I guarantee she will grin from ear to ear when you even mention it.

Asking her right now!


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[geo]

Are the 4 srkts catching up?

% of sales will show that next year.

If you became friends with a new neighbor this summer,,, and after couple of barby's he-she decides to take up sledding and come out with you a few times,,, and asks your recommendation on a new 2015 sled,,,.
Would you recommend the Viper stock, boosted, or one of the other 3?

 

[Reeb]

Are the 4 srkts catching up?

% of sales will show that next year.

If you became friends with a new neighbor this summer,,, and after couple of barby's he-she decides to take up sledding and come out with you a few times,,, and asks your recommendation on a new 2015 sled,,,.
Would you recommend the Viper stock, boosted, or one of the other 3?

That's easy George. Sell them one of my 'quality' used sleds and go out and buy the new Viper myself. Done deal

 

[christopher]

Are the 4 srkts catching up?

% of sales will show that next year.

If you became friends with a new neighbor this summer,,, and after couple of barby's he-she decides to take up sledding and come out with you a few times,,, and asks your recommendation on a new 2015 sled,,,.
Would you recommend the Viper stock, boosted, or one of the other 3?

Would honestly depend on the neighbor.
Full sized adult male, wouldn't have any hesitation putting him on a new Viper. Would probably suggest NOT getting the turbo on day 1, but could very well install it with low boost before the first season was over with.

 

[rmscustom]

The biggest reasoning I see time and time again in the heavy weight forum is that if you cant handle a 4s your not strong enough to... What happens when you put one of these strong guys on a light weight chassis? The way I see it the viper boosted or not would be the 2nd to the last choice to put a noob on.

Refer to my last post on this thread before you ask if I have rode one.

Don't forget that I was invited here from a PM from Christopher to watch a bogus video before you flame me for what am I doing here.

 

[christopher]

No flames going your way.
I am the first person to say that I don't think a turbo viper for a never-ever 125lb woman is necessarily the best first sled.


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[Drifter]

If you want to be fair and compare apples to apples you have to throw a big bore onto the Polaris. That way it's knocking on 180hp too. Only it won't have warranty, and likely not last the year.

I know of a Cat/Yamaha dealer that rode Yamaha 4s until he bought the dealership. He's had a hand in building some of the craziest machines we've ever seen(Rated R, Irmens Apex's etc, his own Nytro's) He was on a M8 since 2010 but after going over every possible combination of mods to each sled, he figured out he'd be ahead of the game by riding a Yamaha for next year. Reliability doesn't mean much as he sells his demo's every year but it means something to his customers who buy his demos. Resale will be substantially more even tho he'll have comparable money into either sled to get them the way he wants them. That was the selling factor for me in the discussion. After big bore and turbo M8's for the past 5 years he's back on a Yamaha. Pricepoint, power, reliability, and resale value squashes the 2s option this year. It really is just that simple.

Its even simpler then that I had more fun riding my 2-stroke then I did the demo viper I tried...

At the end of the day I dont give two ****s about the guy that buys my sled when I am done with it. Your friend has a business to look out for all I have to do is put a smile on my face.

 

[Reeb]

Luckily I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You're the one in a Yamaha thread my friend.
And you missed the first part, where he has ridden M8's for the past 5 years at the expense of his high HP, heavier Yamaha's. And now he was won over by the heavy equivalent of what he is currently riding.

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[christopher]

5 months till the new sled arrives


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[stingray719]

The biggest reasoning I see time and time again in the heavy weight forum is that if you cant handle a 4s your not strong enough to... What happens when you put one of these strong guys on a light weight chassis? The way I see it the viper boosted or not would be the 2nd to the last choice to put a noob on.

Refer to my last post on this thread before you ask if I have rode one.

Don't forget that I was invited here from a PM from Christopher to watch a bogus video before you flame me for what am I doing here.

Yamahas are not for everybody, some cannot handle them although the girlfriend is going to get a kick out of this post as she rides our Viper converted to an MTX. I don't think she would agree to teach you but I bet Amber Holt would.

 

[turbo800]

Anybody know what's all included in the factory turbo option?

I would think bumping from 130HP to 180HP, clutching would be included...

 

[christopher]

Anybody know what's all included in the factory turbo option?

I would think bumping from 130HP to 180HP, clutching would be included...

Will see if I can get MPI to jump in here and answer that directly for you.

 

[Jaynelson]

Yamahas are not for everybody, some cannot handle them although the girlfriend is going to get a kick out of this post as she rides our Viper converted to an MTX. I don't think she would agree to teach you but I bet Amber Holt would.

The whole "can't handle it" thing is a joke. Most of us can "handle" a Yamaha, or a Doo XP, or a Bearcat....but many choose not to, because they can do MORE of the stuff they like on a lighter-footed sled.

 

[christopher]

The whole "can't handle it" thing is a joke. Most of us can "handle" a Yamaha, or a Doo XP, or a Bearcat....but many choose not to, because they can do MORE of the stuff they like on a lighter-footed sled.

Not really.
I have two teenagers who are physically NOT large enough nor strong enough to "Handle" my Nytros yet.

There is a mechanical size/weight issue that comes into play.

 

[Reeb]

The whole "can't handle it" thing is a joke. Most of us can "handle" a Yamaha, or a Doo XP, or a Bearcat....but many choose not to, because they can do MORE of the stuff they like on a lighter-footed sled.

The things I can do on a leaf spring Tundra would BLOW YOUR MIND!
Doesn't mean a under powered lightweight sled is what I want to ride day in and day out.

 

[Matt@MPI]

Anybody know what's all included in the factory turbo option?

I would think bumping from 130HP to 180HP, clutching would be included...

Clutching is not included. It would be impossible to clutch every sled perfect or your altitude, riding style, and boost level. The stock weights are very adjustable. Each kit will include a recommended set-up for different altitudes. It can be as simple as changing a few rivets and maybe a helix. We've tried a lot of different set-up this year and what I learned is there is many ways to skin a cat. What I liked someone else didn't like and so on. I think its best left to the local dealer and his local knowledge of you and were you ride. If you don't have a dealer with that find one or start with our recommendations. Clutching doesn't need to be complicated. I'm more then willing to help out with clutching I find it enjoyable.

 

[Jaynelson]

You guys are both disagreeing with me in completely contradictory fashions lol.

The things I can do on a leaf spring Tundra would BLOW YOUR MIND!
Doesn't mean a under powered lightweight sled is what I want to ride day in and day out.

I've actually ridden a newer (no leafs) Tundra for a full day and am pretty handy with one! lol....as far as bending turns and sidehilling, they're actually really good once you cope with the goofy bars. At one point I had my buddy on the back hanging on to the seat strap for dear life doing over-the-head pow turns down this slope....must have been quite the sight with two 200lb dudes on board lol. Like you say tho....not my overall MVP pick.

Not really.
I have two teenagers who are physically NOT large enough nor strong enough to "Handle" my Nytros yet.

There is a mechanical size/weight issue that comes into play.

Fair enough. Given that we are talking about full sized people....there is a difference between "can't handle" and choosing a better tool for the job. I can "handle" cutting my lawn with scissors...I own scissors, am physically strong enough, have enough OCD, etc. BUT I choose not to. Now, that "job" in this case really depends how you want to ride. I had a 146 XP as a 2nd sled this year and preferred it to my Pro for riding the trails in/out. If that and bombing around open areas was my preferred style of riding, I would have no idea why people say they don't handle well.

The whole "can't handle it" thing is just to sound like a tough guy. A good ride will ride anything to a decent level. That level just happens to get more impressive as the equipment gets better, and/or when he/she picks the best equipment for their style.

 

[Reeb]

Haha. I'm no disagreeing. I'm having fun. And i got no dog in this fight. I just ride the sled I want to according to conditions.

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