Anyone watching this on Fox? Government cuts off CA farmers water.

[Snorider]

Lol won't flame ya on it, its not worth the effort.

But just a thought, the majority of the wood comes from the south on tree farms. (over 60% if I remember right) where trees really don't grow naturally, but with the water supplied the conditions are great for making the trees develop fast. so should they shut those down too?

just curious on your opinion there too x.

 

[Mooseknuckle]

The Klamath River deal ended up pitting the eviro's (save the fish) between the indians and coastal fisherman (save the fish-salmon) and the farmers (save our crops-we need the water)...tough deal all the way around.
If I remember correctly.....I don't remember the outcome....lol

http://www.klamathbasincrisis.org/settlement/articles09/klamathfarmershopeCFBF061009.htm

Headed up there tomorrow to check in combines, ought to be interesting to hear some of the growers comment on the situation in the Central Valley. Had machines down there also; traveling through makes me a little sick as a farmer to see dead trees and sections of land that crops have withered away on. Many of the people are mad, but they take it as best the can. Kind of like mid western farmers with tornados and hail.

 

[xrated]

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you're trying to stir the pot, so I won't get riled up over this. Let me ask you this though: What do you do for a living?

Only partly stirring...I don't hide the fact that I think farming and publicly subsidized water are less then "perfect". As for work, I am a Radiologic Technologist, aka x-ray tech.

 

[xrated]

Lol won't flame ya on it, its not worth the effort.

But just a thought, the majority of the wood comes from the south on tree farms. (over 60% if I remember right) where trees really don't grow naturally, but with the water supplied the conditions are great for making the trees develop fast. so should they shut those down too?

just curious on your opinion there too x.

Why grow something where it won't grow on it's own...eventually you will run into troubles.

I'm not against guys making money or living...but farming in a desert is like Detroit staying with making trucks that get 12 mpgs.

 

[Zachcreek]

well they make great fertilizer if you don't have anyone to smoke them for ya. I hear pickled tastes good too.

and the color version

Did'nt know you were colored

 

[ruffryder]

Why grow something where it won't grow on it's own...eventually you will run into troubles.

I'm not against guys making money or living...but farming in a desert is like Detroit staying with making trucks that get 12 mpgs.

good points ......

 

[xrated]

back to the southern tree farms...well I guess you could say if it weren't for them and the ease with which they can grow pulp and building lumber a guy could still make a living as a small time logger. Now you can't hardly pay the bills logging unless you are a big outfit running multiple fella bunchers, trucks and saws. Not many guys working now who just run a saw, skidder and one log truck.

For what it's worth my old man used to have a 1-2 guy outfit with one skidder and one pulp truck.

Just like you could say the big company farms using subsidized water have killed the family farm...

 

[milehighassassin]

I haven't seen anything on this but agriculture doesn't get 100% of their water rights if the water is not there. In drought or low water seasons you get a certain percentage, and if the river is running dry they won't run it empty. Nothing wrong with that, it sucks but that is how water is.

Remember when McCain wanted to rework the Colorado River water agreement so that California and Arizona got more water? That would have effed Colorado and the Upper Basin out of almost all of their water. Right now it is a 50/50 split.

California needs to learn to use less water, they might have to start draining some of their swimming pools and stop building golf courses.

 

[xrated]

That was a huge issue when the Colorado got divided up. My Grandpa worked for the Justice Department in the Lands section and headed up the group that did all the work. Wish he was around to ask about it, all I know is it required many summers out west for him. Might have to dig through all his old letters and papers dealing with it next time I'm at my Grandmas house.

 

[Trinity Taz]

Just received the fall issue of Range magazine that has an article in it about this issue.
Magazines take two-three months to put together and Fox is just now airing the alarm? If they are this slow, were in trouble 'cause they're one of the supposed "conservative watchdogs" on top of their game.

 

[00buck]

With out irrigation this country can't produce enough grain also it's not just the deserts that irrigate alot of Midwest states run pivots as well

 

[xrated]

With out irrigation this country can't produce enough grain also it's not just the deserts that irrigate alot of Midwest states run pivots as well

true they do...but Iowa and southern MN are still more moist then Cali.

 

[revpilot]

flame suit is on....first read Cadillac Desert. Overview, Cali was and should be a damn desert, not a farming area. That state in the south has been bolstered and changed by irrigation, damming and sucking aquifers up. It was the Feds that started the water deals out there(that are not friendly to us tax payers) and helped create the "farming" mecca that is Cali. Why feel sorry for people farming in what in it's natural state is not good farm land?

You might want to look at a map, California is where the Colorado river ends up. It's also where all the topsoil piled up that washed out of the Grand Canyon. Water, soil, long growing season and ideal climate is why California provides 60 to 99% of almost every fruit and vegetable grown in the US,see: http://www.wga.com/public/active/siteBuilder/showPage.php?id=350

I think California is a fouled up place because of the people, but geographically it's incredible, you can ride in 10' of fresh pow in the Sierras in the morning and be surfing the waves of the Pacific ocean in the afternoon.

 

[xrated]

You might want to look at a map, California is where the Colorado river ends up. It's also where all the topsoil piled up that washed out of the Grand Canyon. Water, soil, long growing season and ideal climate is why California provides 60 to 99% of almost every fruit and vegetable grown in the US,see: http://www.wga.com/public/active/siteBuilder/showPage.php?id=350

I think California is a fouled up place because of the people, but geographically it's incredible, you can ride in 10' of fresh pow in the Sierras in the morning and be surfing the waves of the Pacific ocean in the afternoon.

but what was southern cali and much of the central inland state....and it looks like the Colorado ends in some pretty dry climate.

Where is all the water for So Cal coming from? I don't argue the climate, growing season, etc. And I do wish I could sled and surf in the same day.

 

[2001rmk700]

there were billboards for the klamath basin water deal and the sucker fish...



"whats for dinner?"


Then there was a pic something about like this...

pretty funny driving down the road.

i didnt know the carp are endangered lol i go out all the time bow fishing for them lol

 

[Snowseeker]

It's not just Cali, Kansas is trying to shut down 1.2 million acres of Nebraska that are irrigated in the Republican river basin. Water is the Gold of the 21st century.

 

[xrated]

It's not just Cali, Kansas is trying to shut down 1.2 million acres of Nebraska that are irrigated in the Republican river basin. Water is the Gold of the 21st century.

sure is.

Someday states will either war with each other...or a whole lot of golf courses, artifical resevoirs(lakes like powell) etc will be going bye bye. Just hope it doesn't get to the point where MN takes away my green lawn I finally have.

 

[Ollie]

California needs to learn to use less water, they might have to start draining some of their swimming pools and stop building golf courses.

ding!
That is what just kills me.
THey tell the farmers that since there is a drought they don't get any water, but lord forbid we stop watering golf courses and make people drain their personal pools. Wouldn't want to make people suffer.
THey might starve, but they won't suffer the lack of golf or swimming.

 

[ruffryder]

ding!
That is what just kills me.
THey tell the farmers that since there is a drought they don't get any water, but lord forbid we stop watering golf courses and make people drain their personal pools. Wouldn't want to make people suffer.
THey might starve, but they won't suffer the lack of golf or swimming.

Didn't they drain pools in the 80's? I thought that was why people started skating them.. cause they were all empty.

 

[Zachcreek]

Also Arizona, there are more pools fountains and water features than anywhere I have ever been. Golf courses through the desert etc. If Nevada, California and Az stopped wasting water like they do, maybe we wouldnt have to get our produce from down south. Keep our farmers and ranchers in business. To me they should be the priority.