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Calif Enviros shut down farming for smelt. Milk and produce from China?

Awww crap, my link to the Paul Rodriguez Breitbart video in my original post doesn't work anymore!

I did find this though from the same source.

"Rodriguez is in the middle of a steep learning curve regarding the vast political power of the environmental lobby. Soon enough he’ll discover their main motivation: control - the fatal conceit that all elitists feel towards the masses who, they think, need their intelligent direction and guidance.

The California Latino Water Coalition seeks to pressure lawmakers for more water as unemployment rates in some California rural communities have topped 40%. Easing the rules of the Endangered Species Act to allow more water to reach Central Valley farms is the lynchpin."

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/c...rodriguez-the-fish-lives-and-the-farmers-die/
 
It is a very delicate act balancing the needs of people versus animals. I am not saying i support any side, but i do get both sides. With out enough water flushing the smelt down the river to the ocean there won't be a return fish run, which can have a negative effect on the economy. With out water for the farmers there will be a negative effect on the economy. Which is better all depends on your view of things. I don't understand why there can't be a balance so we can have both.
 
Hannity had comedian Paul Rodriguez on again. Even with appeals to Obama, starting out at the bottom of the food chain and working up, STILL NO response and farms are drying out and dying for the stupid minnow.

These guys should try what Oregon did and just start up the water themselves.

Paul voted for Obama and regrets it. :D
 
pretty funny that Paul voted for Obama and donated money after money to enviros and now realizes that they were both against him all along.. IDIOT. Cost of doing business Paulie Boy. Good to see the rich don't always get their way.
 
Tim types sense.

Yes the farms are having to cut back, etc due to less water.

Say you give the farmers all the water they want and say F the smelt...well then you F the game fish and F the comercial and sport fishing industries down river.

Who's to say the farmers should get all the water....who are they gonna sell to if the fisherman get F'ed?
 
To add to this, now we find out California spent 7.4 MILLION dollars on a monkey cage for three monkeys from China (monkeys to be loaned for 10 years), $4500 of that for a feng shui expert.

Now the Chinese said they won't lend us the monkeys.

(dditionally, they just "ran out" of money for DNA testing for rapists.)

Am I dreaming?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525900,00.html

Damn, Id live in that cage for them. Get feed 3 times a day.
 
As a Irrigation Engineer in the central valley (CA), without getting too in depth, the enviromental impact of the smealt is an invalid arrugument because the law only applies to native fish of that region. The smelt is not a native fish and should not be included in the suit and ruiling. By the way, ask the greenies in SF where the get their water from, and ask them about the enviromental impact about the NEW tunnel system from Yosemite to the Bay Area - They need more water!!! And we can't improve on any of our current water storage systems because of the enviromental impacts? sorry for mis-spelling
 
Tim types sense.

Yes the farms are having to cut back, etc due to less water.

Say you give the farmers all the water they want and say F the smelt...well then you F the game fish and F the comercial and sport fishing industries down river.

Who's to say the farmers should get all the water....who are they gonna sell to if the fisherman get F'ed?


Except this isn't about cutting back. Entire orchards and farms are dying and unable to produce food.

Also, a smelt is 2 inches long and you can't eat it. :D (you can't assume politicians and Greenies are as rational as you and I)

"On the March 28 World News Saturday, ABC gave rare attention to the plight of drought-stricken farmers in California who have been denied access to a major water supply by a judge citing the Endangered Species Act to protect a type of fish. During a story recounting the unusual level of problems facing these farmers – a recession coinciding with drought – correspondent Lisa Fletcher informed viewers: "And for the first time ever, farmers may be completely cut off from one of their sources of water. Farmers don't have access to this water that runs right through the center of their farmland. It is being allocated to the delta smelt, a little fish protected by the Endangered Species Act. Conservationists say the smelt are dying in the irrigation pumps, so a judge ruled they must be shut off for much of the growing season."
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-w...water-california-farmers-save-endangered-fish
 
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I did some digging on this the last couple of days. I called the two conservative congressmen on Hannity's show the other day. One of the staffers said Jim DeMint had an amendment yesterday regarding the Dpt of the Interior's funding and ability to shut the water off, but it was shot down yesterday in the Senate.

I spoke with the Ag Specialist at Congressman Radonovich's office. I asked her about the Department of the Interior's press release about the water situation because my gut told me it was full of spin. She said I was right and emailed me the rebuttal to it. When I asked how we could help and how we could prevent this from happening in our states, she explained that this is all about the Endangered Species Acts (ESAs). The Dept of the Interior and Dept of Commerce are involved. Salazar and Locke are both BO appointments in charge of Interior and Commerce respectively. So guess where they stand?

This all ties in with what Beck has been reporting on Enviros trying to flood the system with ESAs, which will also skyrocket beef prices (and close down our sledding areas). Our Stockgrowers as well as those in other states are dealing with this crap to save our meat industries.

www.watereducation.org is a great site for more info, as is Pacific Legal Foundation who is helping them legally.
 
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Letter from Gov. Schwarzenegger with some interesting info about what the federal gvt is doing with the water situation. When he talks about the Central Valley Project (CVP), that's the Federal water system that was put in in 1933 as a water storage and management project.

September 1, 2009

The Honorable Ken Salazar
Secretary of the Interior
1849 C Street, NW
Washington, DC 20240

The Honorable Gary Locke
Secretary of Commerce
1401 Constitution Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20230

Dear Secretary Salazar and Secretary Locke,

California’s water crisis continues to grow. Three years of drought continue at serious cost to our farms, our people and our economy. As reservoirs remain low and water deliveries unreliable, those costs increase daily.

Water deliveries by the State Water Project and federal Central Valley Project to the two-thirds of California’s population south of the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta are just 40 percent and 10 percent of normal, respectively. Sixty-four water agencies throughout the state have implemented mandatory rationing to respond to shortages and, on the agricultural front alone, we estimate that these reduced deliveries will result in a Central Valley farm revenue loss of as much as $710 million and cost 35,000 jobs.

This cannot and must not go on. For the past four years, my administration has been working on solutions to California’s water supply and the environmental crisis in the Delta. However, I am concerned that the catastrophic impacts of the current crisis on our economy and environment could take decades to reverse and significantly hamper any long-term solutions.

The recent biological opinions issued by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) and the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) to protect threatened fish species in the Delta include overlapping and conflicting actions and restrictions that provide little or no fisheries benefit but do come at a high cost to the economy. The opinions cover both the state and federal water projects but were developed separately, by separate agencies. Ironically, these opinions work against each other, especially in wet years, which may lead to species conflict and devastating water shortages in following dry years.

It is clear that we are trapped in an outdated and rigid bureaucratic process that dictates fish protection actions one species at a time rather than evaluating the entire ecosystem and addressing its many stressors. State and federal water pumps clearly impact the Delta, but regulating as though they are the only influences ignores the complexity of the situation and creates new problems while failing to solve others.

On May 7 of this year, my Director of Water Resources, Lester Snow, wrote to the USFWS requesting re-consultation on Delta smelt and the operations of the state and federal water projects. On August 10, Director Snow sent a similar letter to the NMFS asking for re-consultation on salmon and green sturgeon. These letters remain unanswered. If the federal government believes that re-consultation is the wrong path, then we need to know how to proceed, and we need to know now. We have entered an endless cycle of consultation that is guaranteed to reduce water supplies and water supply reliability, but is not guaranteed to recover or even reduce damage to endangered species. This cyclic regulatory process is not working for people, and it has not worked for fish.

The Delta’s water supply is of state and national significance, and the so-called “reasonable and prudent alternatives” included in the two biological opinions impose significant water supply and economic impacts without demonstrating assured benefits for the environment.

Thirty-eight million Californians stand waiting for your formal response.



Sincerely,


Arnold Schwarzenegger
 
Also, a smelt is 2 inches long and you can't eat it. (you can't assume politicians and Greenies are as rational as you and I)-fluff clearly you haven't been to northern MN, I also hear they have smelt frys out east. Supposed to be kinda tasty when you fry them up.
 
Also, a smelt is 2 inches long and you can't eat it. (you can't assume politicians and Greenies are as rational as you and I)-fluff clearly you haven't been to northern MN, I also hear they have smelt frys out east. Supposed to be kinda tasty when you fry them up.

As i said before.
If the little fish is SO important, grow it in tanks and release it down stream from the farmers pumps.

As for the "sport fisherman".
I just can't work up the desire to really care.
If they can't sport fish, oh well.
I am way more worried about feeding our nation than if "tony" gets to hang a big fish on the wall.

The commercial fisherman arn't really impacted since the amount of smelt coming out of the area in question isn't even a blip on the food chain radar.
 
Also, a smelt is 2 inches long and you can't eat it. (you can't assume politicians and Greenies are as rational as you and I)-fluff clearly you haven't been to northern MN, I also hear they have smelt frys out east. Supposed to be kinda tasty when you fry them up.

MMMMMM! (can they gut a 2" smelt?). Do you eat them with the heads on? :D

Funny thing is the government planted a bunch of Bass. The Bass are eating the smelt. Rut Roh!
 
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