Anyone need a job in Washington St???

[skidooer1]

This is a Valid point, unfortunetly one I won't buy into. When we had our busy years, you could quit your job make More money down the street. Now the down the street company's are out of Business, and the guys come back looking for work. I've never had so much pride as now, even though were not as busy as we used to be, were still standing.

I payed a Guy right at 100k a year, he was 24 years old always *****ed it wasn't enough, he decided to go out on his own and make the big bucks. He stole a few of my accounts along the way, now he's asking me for his job back two years later. I think not!!!!

I refuse to pay higher wages just to get good guys. IMHO if your not willing to work your way up through the ranks to the big Money, your not a good guy anyway!!!

Enough of my rant, I have plenty of Gray hair to prove, I didn't always make the right decisions, but one's I felt comfortable with.

this is kinda hard to believe...24 and making a 100,000 a year....that seems about impossible

 

[phatty]

Somebody said this on the first page... "We are smart and realize hey if I can get paid for just putting in my time and only give 60 or 70% then why give 100%? Great attitude here, bad thing is this is now the norm.

Seems like a problem to me... it's an epidemic brought on by parents who won't require anything of their kids and give them everything. If their parents took on some responsibility, maybe the kids would.

Thats only part of the problem. Destruction of discipline and personal responsibility from the top down. A parent can no longer spank a child for fear of an abuse case. Teachers cant crack down on trouble makers so the rest of the class can learn. So many problems, so few solutions, and those time tested ones are limited now by laws.

I have a brother (20) that just moved to puyallup for the summer to install security systems. Well he decided on day that he didnt want to work and wanted to get drunk instead. They fired him. he called me looking for help, i told him that he needed to WORK and WORK hard. He said its no fun and i like to drink for fun. Then i said your going to get nowhere in this life till you learn that you have to work, and fun comes after you work. So i gave him some money to move back home to idaho cause he didnt have enough cash to buy gas to get there, and the little pecker drives down to southern california and is just hanging at the beach, im waiting for the phone call this week asking for more money... fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me...

It is my opinion that too much has been handed to this young generation. They expect everything, and they expect it now. But i suppose that instead of writing online biatching about it, we should be online discussing ways we can get involved and solve the problem... but hey we cant even band together to save riding areas, let alone save our kids...

 

[ruffryder]

Good posts and an interesting topic.

I am curious though. It seems like the mentality of providing a better life for your children then you have is what is causing part of the problem. That way of living if passed from father to child and so on seems to have destructive results in the end. Once the family reaches a certain point of living standards, the benefit to the child from the fathers thinking gets reduced and eventually turns to harm?

I think this might be an issue as the majority of jobs turn from blue collar to white collar and with a majority of people living in cities/suburbia as compared to farmers/country folk. Hits? Misses? Seems our lives need to struggle and that it is good for us. Something along the lines of "the sweet isn't as sweet without the sour".

 

[TS Drag Racer]

I'll give everyone a classic example of what's going on in our country today. My Neighbor has a couple of kids ONE of them is 26yrs old still living at home. Last November he decides his boss pissed him off for the last time and he decides to quit his job. Beginning of March I'm chatting with his dad and tell him, I'd be more than happy to put his son to work. He tells me he'd let his son know about my generous offer, well here we are middle of May and the lazy sh!t still isn't back to work, he's still spongeing of Mommy and Daddy laying around the house all day. If this is my kid, I tell him get your @ss to work and if you don't like what your doing in your new job, you can quit the day you have a better one lined out, until then get your @ss of my couch! Anymore parents just want to keep spoon feeding their kids and can't figure out why they grow up to be worthess.............

 

[dangerfield]

When we hire guys in there late teens to early 20s 9 times out of 10 they are worthless.

When we hire people over 25 9 times out of 10 they are worthless.

No one knows how or wants to work hard or learn anything these days.

I wouldn't say they are all worthless, I have 2 sons, 1, 19 that is a 3rd year millwright, and the other 23, just recieved his journeyman's ticket in instrumentation:

 

[AKSNOWRIDER]

this is kinda hard to believe...24 and making a 100,000 a year....that seems about impossible

why? In 1984 I was 23 and cleared 50000 a year..in 1992 the last year I wrenched for a shop. I grossed 120000 in 9 months..always flatrate and always a hard worker....

 

[ruffryder]

I wonder if part of the problem is the larger divide between the rich and the poor. I know that when dealing with people of much higher financial status, sometimes it can be demotivating realizing that you probably won't get there in your life, yet that seems to be everyones main goal... to get rich and live the good life. Granted there are a lot of people out there that bust *** and work hard and deserve what they have. But there are also many people out there that didn't. Riding in Johnnies Porshe that his dad bought him brings the realization that you won't be in that life... so why bother.

For those that say it is the parents that are the problem. I am curious as to why they are like that and what in there raising caused this.

 

[tlb]

why cant i find good help

not trying to bash anyone here but here is my opinion , i have been at the same company for 15 years . i bust my a@$ ,and i am there everyday regardless of being sick etc , in turn i make a damn good wage and my boss takes care of me with whatever i need , he sends me on 2-3 pd vacations a year that i do not have to claim as my vacation days . i do not take advantage of him he does not take advantage of me . he is gone several months a year and knows everything is a ok while he is gone , period !!
I hear day in and day out from employers like yourselves that they can not find good help and you offer great wages and bennefitts . your problem is you all are the same in the fact that you think you are doing us a favor when in turn a good employee is actually doing you the favor . on your way to the top im sure you were not willing to work for **** wages either and thats why you started your own buisiness or better yet thats when your buisiness was handed to you . you all need to realize you would not be where you are at without good people in place . the bennefit you would recieve if you would step up and pay a wage that a person could make a living on would come back 10 fold in your favor . when you all realize that a good employees wage is not an expense but rather an investment in your company then you find great employees .

im sure i will get slammed by all the self called " top notch buisness owners " out there
just remember a few of you already know this and that is why you kick the **** out of the competition !! kudos to the great employers , just my 2 cents

 

[justadude]

There is truth to what you say!

not trying to bash anyone here but here is my opinion , i have been at the same company for 15 years . i bust my a@$ ,and i am there everyday regardless of being sick etc , in turn i make a damn good wage and my boss takes care of me with whatever i need , he sends me on 2-3 pd vacations a year that i do not have to claim as my vacation days . i do not take advantage of him he does not take advantage of me . he is gone several months a year and knows everything is a ok while he is gone , period !!
I hear day in and day out from employers like yourselves that they can not find good help and you offer great wages and bennefitts . your problem is you all are the same in the fact that you think you are doing us a favor when in turn a good employee is actually doing you the favor . on your way to the top im sure you were not willing to work for **** wages either and thats why you started your own buisiness or better yet thats when your buisiness was handed to you . you all need to realize you would not be where you are at without good people in place . the bennefit you would recieve if you would step up and pay a wage that a person could make a living on would come back 10 fold in your favor . when you all realize that a good employees wage is not an expense but rather an investment in your company then you find great employees .

im sure i will get slammed by all the self called " top notch buisness owners " out there
just remember a few of you already know this and that is why you kick the **** out of the competition !! kudos to the great employers , just my 2 cents

 

[vdo1948]

Lot of good points that I agree with on this thread. However, being an old guy and having worked at the same place for 34 years, I think one thing that is an issue now that wasn't 30 years ago is the military. When I was a kid (Vietnam era) nearly everyone went into the military. They learned about discipline and hard work. Many learned a trade in the military. 30 years ago probably more than half my good employees came with a military background. We no longer have that training ground that allows people to grow up a little. The only thing these days that comes close, IMO, is farm and ranch kids. Most of them know and understand hard work and are not afraid of it.
My $.02