Anyone need a job in Washington St???

[Gilly]

heres a good one that fits right in this thread.
this guy that works at the same place I do shows up late last week the first 3 days.(he has a on time prob)boss tells him if he shows up late tommorrow he will send him home for 2 days. the next day he is 6 min. late,boss tells him to take the rest of the week off.
his responce to that is..you don't pay me enough to be on time
he makes 20 buck an hour as a steel stud framer,and thats not enough to be on time.
maybe I am wrong but I allways thought that if you get payed anything it was enough to be on time.
needless to say,this guy is looking for a job.should I send him your way dooski?

 

[Flying Snow]

yea i already quit my job after 3 weeks... 10 isnt enought for me im only 18 and living at home so i need 30 to make it.. hahahahahahahahah no im still working gotchya though.. The one guy i work with doesn't know how to work a level... he got a wall 3 inches off level, the other guys told me he does it alot AND HES our forman. I'm tring not to learn anything from him, just the other forman thats been doing it for 23 years.

 

[swampwater]

Seems anymore not many want to work for a living. Not sure how other states are for hiring, but it seems to get harder and harder to find quality people. I know where I'm at, all there seems to be are lazy pieces of sh!t, I'm thinking our welfare system has a huge part in this. In all my years of being in business, I've never scene it this bad. Never dreamed my biggest problem would be finding help, it seems getting the jobs is now the easy part. So if anyone on here actually has a drivers license, motivated, lives in Wa. St and is interested in a job remodeling houses PM me. I'm looking for younger guys that want to learn a trade..................

Have you tried driving your truck to the Lowes or Home Depot in the early morning?Swampy

 

[TS Drag Racer]

heres a good one that fits right in this thread.
this guy that works at the same place I do shows up late last week the first 3 days.(he has a on time prob)boss tells him if he shows up late tommorrow he will send him home for 2 days. the next day he is 6 min. late,boss tells him to take the rest of the week off.
his responce to that is..you don't pay me enough to be on time
he makes 20 buck an hour as a steel stud framer,and thats not enough to be on time.
maybe I am wrong but I allways thought that if you get payed anything it was enough to be on time.
needless to say,this guy is looking for a job.should I send him your way dooski?

Thanks for the generous offer, but I'll pass...........

 

[sky7051]

Dooski, I'd love to take ya up on the offer (lord knows I'd enjoy getting out of my non-windowed cave for work) but I'll be workin this job till the day I die. I'm one of only a couple (three) people who do my job at the company. One is in his 60's and the other has already told the owners he's done and walking away in five years so I feel I'm in a good position (or at least that's the gamble I've chosen to take). But yeah coming from a construction, military, firefighting background its rough working a job that's completely inside (no windows in a basement). Good luck finding workers, a good bet may be to try talking to the local recruiters see if they know anyone getting out and moving back, its always a rough transition, and majority are good hard workers and used to learning quick and working hard.

 

[papafinger1]

I have been pouring concrete for 13 yrs. 10 of which have been as a union laborer and now a finisher. Our wage is fantastic but I cannot stand watching how poor the labor has become... I remember starting out working our butts off. The checks are big so earn em... Now you can chew out everyone around you and it doesn't matter new employees have their hand out and are only going to work as hard as they have too.
I have been seasonal for 13 yrs now I want to find a job to work yr around but may be seemingly impossible because the union doesn't recognize hard work. It recognizes yrs vested and committment to them. Put the never will be's and the has been's on the bench so I can make a honest living bustin my butt to put food on the table for my family and a few miles on the sled each yr...

 

[Beels]

My brother is in the concrete finishing business as well. Small company, ran by his best friend from high school. The way they do it and keep people is paying by the job. They mainly do garage & basement floors and driveways for 2 large homebuilders in the Edmonton area. The jobs are all pretty much the same and they get as much work as they can get done. The more jobs each crew gets done, the more they get paid. Simple as that. All the guys on their crews are under 30, almost all from Saskatchewan originally and bust their butts. They tried the hourly thing, but found all they got were lazy transients that were much like the guys everyone has been talking about in this thread. They had this one native dude in his 40's that wasn't a bad worker if you could keep him off the sauce. They had to go pick him up every day, and after he got paid, he'd go on a 3 day bender and not show up.

Anyway, the guys on the crews love it because the hours are real flexible based on delivery of concrete. You might put in 16hrs for a couple days, then have a couple off if they get caught up or it rains. The other thing is they don't make them work weekends unless the whole crew wants to. You can't expect people to work like madmen, frothing at the mouth for 6 days a week and keep their motivation.

Where I'm at in Saskatchewan, the biggest problem with attracting labor is the potash mines around here. Good paying union jobs, where after you get off probation, you'd have to get caught stealing the head foreman's wallet or taking a dump on the front steps to get fired. It's real slack work and their hiring like mad. Hard for local business to compete with that. Both the mines that are close, opened in the late 60's / early 70's, so all the guys that started there when they opened are all retiring now, plus they are expanding production because the price is through the roof. It's all smaller communities around here, so it's good for the service businesses and the value of our houses, but bad if you're trying to keep people around.

 

[Bubba700]

My brother is in the concrete finishing business as well. Small company, ran by his best friend from high school. The way they do it and keep people is paying by the job. They mainly do garage & basement floors and driveways for 2 large homebuilders in the Edmonton area. The jobs are all pretty much the same and they get as much work as they can get done. The more jobs each crew gets done, the more they get paid. Simple as that. All the guys on their crews are under 30, almost all from Saskatchewan originally and bust their butts. They tried the hourly thing, but found all they got were lazy transients that were much like the guys everyone has been talking about in this thread. They had this one native dude in his 40's that wasn't a bad worker if you could keep him off the sauce. They had to go pick him up every day, and after he got paid, he'd go on a 3 day bender and not show up.

Anyway, the guys on the crews love it because the hours are real flexible based on delivery of concrete. You might put in 16hrs for a couple days, then have a couple off if they get caught up or it rains. The other thing is they don't make them work weekends unless the whole crew wants to. You can't expect people to work like madmen, frothing at the mouth for 6 days a week and keep their motivation.

Where I'm at in Saskatchewan, the biggest problem with attracting labor is the potash mines around here. Good paying union jobs, where after you get off probation, you'd have to get caught stealing the head foreman's wallet or taking a dump on the front steps to get fired. It's real slack work and their hiring like mad. Hard for local business to compete with that. Both the mines that are close, opened in the late 60's / early 70's, so all the guys that started there when they opened are all retiring now, plus they are expanding production because the price is through the roof. It's all smaller communities around here, so it's good for the service businesses and the value of our houses, but bad if you're trying to keep people around.

Going piece rate is the ticket to finding good people and keeping them around.

 

[nitromaniac]

While I can not comment on the construction labor market, I see this all the time with my generation (late teens to early 20's)

I taught university courses for 2 years and would have students who wouldn't show up, wouldn't tell me they needed to miss class, etc. and then expect to get a great grade. They only wanted the grades to satisfy their athletic scholarship or mom and dad, but wouldn't put the effort forward to do it. Now not everyone was like this, but quite a few expected to not put any effort in and get everything handed to them. This was further compounded by the fact some kids got mommy and daddy to buy them a brand new 40k vehicle just for graduating high school.

I never understood it cause my parents both worked their tails off to support our family, made me understand the value of money and work, and I have to say it was an enlightening experience. I spent 6 years in school working towards a goal, have worked as hard as I can at my current job and I know it will eventually pay off, just not right now.

Unfortunately, with the upcoming retraction of baby boomers from the labor market in the next 5-10 years, the potential exists for this to get even worse.

 

[Wacky Wally]

i know a guy that pays excellent wages to start and trains young people and they are 99% good workers because they are making good money.maybe something you owners should try?

This is a Valid point, unfortunetly one I won't buy into. When we had our busy years, you could quit your job make More money down the street. Now the down the street company's are out of Business, and the guys come back looking for work. I've never had so much pride as now, even though were not as busy as we used to be, were still standing.

I payed a Guy right at 100k a year, he was 24 years old always *****ed it wasn't enough, he decided to go out on his own and make the big bucks. He stole a few of my accounts along the way, now he's asking me for his job back two years later. I think not!!!!

I refuse to pay higher wages just to get good guys. IMHO if your not willing to work your way up through the ranks to the big Money, your not a good guy anyway!!!

Enough of my rant, I have plenty of Gray hair to prove, I didn't always make the right decisions, but one's I felt comfortable with.

 

[ruffryder]

Everyday I deal with my kids, I wonder what I can do to teach them good work ethic so they don't end up like many of the people we have to deal with...like politicians and engineers...

Put them to work, now! Seriously, I guess look at how you learned... I have been working ever since I could use a hoe. That is how I learned the value of a dollar.

 

[yammadog]

Put them to work, now! Seriously, I guess look at how you learned... I have been working ever since I could use a hoe. That is how I learned the value of a dollar.

and how much are hoe's in the midwest? do they have all their teeth? Do they cost more if they do? Got any pictures of your sister?

 

[ruffryder]

and how much are hoe's in the midwest? do they have all their teeth? Do they cost more if they do? Got any pictures of your sister?

They cost $1.5 an hour back then

 

[yammadog]

They cost $1.5 an hour back then

that's only an answer to one question...how about picts of your sister?

 

[CoyoteGirl]

I had a long response typed up... but it can be boiled down to 2 things.

-You get what you pay for and respectively you should get what you pay for.

-And from my perspective, it is just as dang hard to find a GOOD employer..... uhhhhhhhhhhhhg. lol

 

[ruffryder]

And from my perspective, it is just as dang hard to find a GOOD employer..... uhhhhhhhhhhhhg. lol

Ya, I interviewed potential bosses when I was looking for a job. By chance does your definition of good employer mean 4 day weekends?

 

[yammadog]

By chance does your definition of good employer mean 4 day weekends?

Yes it does!!!! but only during the winter...it would cost me too much in beer all summer also....

 

[GODEEP]

If you guys need to find good workers, goto a local MX track on the weekend and hand out your card. Lots of younger fit guys that are usually good headed and hard workers as they have to pay the high costs of racing. Most of my guys race!

 

[DOO DAWG]

Seems anymore not many want to work for a living. Not sure how other states are for hiring, but it seems to get harder and harder to find quality people. I know where I'm at, all there seems to be are lazy pieces of sh!t,




Let's not forget Dooski that we live in "The Nanny State on Steroids".
This state has more BS laws to "protect" us from the cradle to the grave (while infringing on our rights) All the while they have totally neglected the infrasructure, puting us all at risk while we must drive to work on the roads of the 1950's. The state tree should be a traffic light standard!

 

[24footjet]

Somebody said this on the first page... "We are smart and realize hey if I can get paid for just putting in my time and only give 60 or 70% then why give 100%? Great attitude here, bad thing is this is now the norm.

Seems like a problem to me... it's an epidemic brought on by parents who won't require anything of their kids and give them everything. If their parents took on some responsiblity, maybe the kids would.