Anyone for Obama?

[powdersledder]

You Obama supporters should be stoked to know that your man has finally sponsored a bill in the Senate. It is called the "Global Poverty Act" (S-2433.) In essence, the bill seeks to tax the entire Gross National Product of the United States, and then give this money to the Third World. In addition to the $300 billion we already give in foreign aid, this bill could add $845,000,000,000 to the taxpayer money that is sent to foreign despots and warlords. I'm definitely going to support Obama since he is finally taking a stand on something. I really think that anyone who wants to allow the UN to tax U.S. citizens and give this money to third world dictators is worthy of my vote. I REALLY want to give $1,145,000,000,000 of US taxpayer money to the rest of the world, because they are SO grateful for the hundreds of billions we've already given them.

THREE CHEERS FOR BARACK!! ANY PLAN TO TAX THE AMERICAN WORKER FOR $845,000,000,000 MORE, IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THREE CHEERS FOR HOPE, AND THREE CHEERS FOR CHANGE! OBAMA '08

I prefer thw way Robin Williams thinks....

Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says "I love New York" in Arabic.

You gotta love Robin Williams......Even if he's nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan. What we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.

Robin Williams' plan...(Hard to argue with this logic!)

"I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan."

1) "The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those "good 'ole' boys", we will never "interfere" again.

2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines . They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.

3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave . We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are. They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.

4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

5) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.

6) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for awhile .

7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to
the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.

9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH..learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?

"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses." She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'you want a piece of me?' "

 

[POLZIN]

somebody called me some bad names for quoting what obama said in my last post.LOL.fricken psycos out there.you didnt want to hear some facts you stupid POS?.

Its probably the same POS that called me a racist. I am absolutly sure this is some misinformed,self centered ,liberal, faggot, much like the girl in the "father daughter talk "thread from a week ago its just this type of self important, pretentious azzwad that hides behind the screen and snickers getting some kind of perverse pleasure out of being a total ***ging coward.

I have a good idea who this person is. Just take a read through this thread and others in this section and see who is consistently the most wacked, lib, idiot thats probably your man!

 

[ruffryder]

I prefer thw way Robin Williams thinks....

Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says "I love New York" in Arabic.

You gotta love Robin Williams......Even if he's nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan. What we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.

Robin Williams' plan...(Hard to argue with this logic!)

"I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan."

1) "The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those "good 'ole' boys", we will never "interfere" again.

2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines . They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.

3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave . We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are. They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.

4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

5) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.

6) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for awhile .

7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to
the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.

9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH..learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?

"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses." She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'you want a piece of me?' "

sorry dude
snoped
It is a good article though. But a little over the top without being funny for the guy.

 

[milehighassassin]

You Obama supporters should be stoked to know that your man has finally sponsored a bill in the Senate. It is called the "Global Poverty Act" (S-2433.) In essence, the bill seeks to tax the entire Gross National Product of the United States, and then give this money to the Third World. In addition to the $300 billion we already give in foreign aid, this bill could add $845,000,000,000 to the taxpayer money that is sent to foreign despots and warlords. I'm definitely going to support Obama since he is finally taking a stand on something. I really think that anyone who wants to allow the UN to tax U.S. citizens and give this money to third world dictators is worthy of my vote. I REALLY want to give $1,145,000,000,000 of US taxpayer money to the rest of the world, because they are SO grateful for the hundreds of billions we've already given them.

THREE CHEERS FOR BARACK!! ANY PLAN TO TAX THE AMERICAN WORKER FOR $845,000,000,000 MORE, IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THREE CHEERS FOR HOPE, AND THREE CHEERS FOR CHANGE! OBAMA '08

I prefer thw way Robin Williams thinks....

Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says "I love New York" in Arabic.

You gotta love Robin Williams......Even if he's nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan. What we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.

Robin Williams' plan...(Hard to argue with this logic!)

I'm not sure where you got that quote, for it was not in this thread, but that plany would send $845 billion over 13 (count them) years, and is equal to less than 1% of our GDP (I think it is something like .7%)


That is really not that much money. There are Republicans and Democrats supporting this bill.

 

[Mainer]

after reading that i say vote robin williams!!!
thats one hell of a plan. i like it alot.

 

[Meatman]

So unless I have seen it with my own eyes, it must not have happened.

I never saw the holocaust. I never seen Japan Bomb Pearl Harbor, I only saw September 11, 2001 in New York City on TV. Does that mean none of those have happened?

Your logic is horrible at best.


The Bush Administration never used ethnic cleansing as a reason to go to war against Iraq.

If we were trying to stop ethnic cleansing we would have never provided him with gas to gas the Northern Kurds in the 80's. We would also be involved in a lot more conflicts in Africa, and South America. That argument is bull$.hit.


Gang neighborhoods are not anything like some places in the Middle East. You don't see roadside bombs, or kids strapped with c4.


Last, what are you trying to prove exactly?

What have you seen with your own eyes? The news that get's changed to favor a certain political agenda? They emphasize failure, that's what they want. Did you catch the news clips about the hospitals we built? the schools we adopted? Every time I was invited to house for dinner because they couldn't find a way to thank us enough for helping them? How about the 2 terrorist training sites that not only were found by us but were taking over by their own army that we have helped train? Did you by any chance see hours and hours of footage of people shaking the hands, bowing, and offering whatever they could to us showing their support for us? Naaaa didn't think so.

So you're telling me that there was no talk aobut Sodamn Insane ethnically cleansing the Kurds? And that's not the only reason we did it. There is proof that they had WMDs hidden in Iraq, between the testing that was done and finding trace amounts of radioactive materials and chemical residue. Was there an exit strategy? No, that is one thing I had a problem with.

And about the gang neighbor hoods, I forgot you come from the block and know all of this. There are more gang related murders in the inner cities than there will ever be in iraq and afghanistan...and yes my fellow american I have first hand experience.

I am not trying to pick a fight or stir the pot. I am pointing out short comings in your arguments and opinions. If you feel that I'm wrong more power to you, that's not my problem I am just trying to inform you and hope to change your ingnorrant one sided point of view

-meat

 

[jsledder]

I'm not sure where you got that quote, for it was not in this thread, but that plany would send $845 billion over 13 (count them) years, and is equal to less than 1% of our GDP (I think it is something like .7%)


That is really not that much money. There are Republicans and Democrats supporting this bill.

So the US is in such good financial condition that sending over $65 Billion a year is justifiable? I don't see any one else sending money or food or anything else over to help with the tornado's or flood's in our country, that gets about 10 minutes of news coverage and then back to Myanmar or where the next natural disaster happens. If we have money like that to throw around then let's put it in the road/bridges fund and drop the gas tax all together????

 

[milehighassassin]

So the US is in such good financial condition that sending over $65 Billion a year is justifiable? I don't see any one else sending money or food or anything else over to help with the tornado's or flood's in our country, that gets about 10 minutes of news coverage and then back to Myanmar or where the next natural disaster happens. If we have money like that to throw around then let's put it in the road/bridges fund and drop the gas tax all together????

When based off of % of GDP sent as Foreign Aid, the U.S. Ranks at the bottom of the scale.

 

[milehighassassin]

What have you seen with your own eyes? The news that get's changed to favor a certain political agenda? They emphasize failure, that's what they want. Did you catch the news clips about the hospitals we built? the schools we adopted? Every time I was invited to house for dinner because they couldn't find a way to thank us enough for helping them? How about the 2 terrorist training sites that not only were found by us but were taking over by their own army that we have helped train? Did you by any chance see hours and hours of footage of people shaking the hands, bowing, and offering whatever they could to us showing their support for us? Naaaa didn't think so.
-meat

I've never seen a million dollars with my own eyes, does that mean it doesn't exist?
I don't just get my news from Fox, or CNN, I get it from more than one, even two or three sources. There has been progress made, but at what cost? We are going to be in debt for 2 more decades because of the war. How many American Soldier's lives is it worth?

Al Quada was NOT in Iraq until after we invaded. Saddam Hussein never tolerated that. He hated them as much as we did.

So you're telling me that there was no talk aobut Sodamn Insane ethnically cleansing the Kurds? And that's not the only reason we did it. There is proof that they had WMDs hidden in Iraq, between the testing that was done and finding trace amounts of radioactive materials and chemical residue. Was there an exit strategy? No, that is one thing I had a problem with.
-meat

I never said he didn't ethnic cleanse. I said he did it with our help. We provided him with the gas and anthrax that he used to do the cleansing. This was in the early 80's.

There were no major WMD found in Iraq. Soil tests did not show anything. I can't believe you are actually trying to argue this. Yes, we believed there were WMD, we did give them some in the 80's but these have been long gone. They were not capable of building them. There was a program but it was a failing program, they never got close to building chemical weapons on a mass scale (to do harm).

And about the gang neighbor hoods, I forgot you come from the block and know all of this. There are more gang related murders in the inner cities than there will ever be in iraq and afghanistan...and yes my fellow american I have first hand experience.
-meat

I don't come from the block but I have done a lot of crime research. Your claim has no fact to it. It is simply untrue...
Here I will help you out, go take a look at crime within the United States.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm
Show me how many inner city murder's there have been and I will show you how many deaths have taken place in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I am not trying to pick a fight or stir the pot. I am pointing out short comings in your arguments and opinions. If you feel that I'm wrong more power to you, that's not my problem I am just trying to inform you and hope to change your ingnorrant one sided point of view

-meat

Ignorant or Different? I've looked into both sides, have you? I actually voted for Bush, twice. I do think that out of our options at the time he was the best choice. Has he made mistakes, hell yeah, hindsight is 20/20 right?

Again, get the hell out of Iraq. Continue fighting the battle in Afghanistan.

Read what Kevin Tillman says about the war and his brother's death:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/

 

[ruffryder]

When based off of % of GDP sent as Foreign Aid, the U.S. Ranks at the bottom of the scale.

Did you see it?

 

[ruffryder]

I don't come from the block but I have done a lot of crime research. Your claim has no fact to it. It is simply untrue...
Here I will help you out, go take a look at crime within the United States.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm
Show me how many inner city murder's there have been and I will show you how many deaths have taken place in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I find it difficult when the comparison is made about the amount of civilian deaths here in the US and the Armed Forces deaths in the Middle East. From the stats that I have seen the civilian deaths in the Middle East are much much larger than the Armed Forces deaths. I guess American deaths are the only ones that matter.

Not using the above quote to prove the contrary, just to keep myself on point.

 

[Meatman]

dont even get me started about tillman I know exactly what happend, how it happened and why it happened

 

[milehighassassin]

I find it difficult when the comparison is made about the amount of civilian deaths here in the US and the Armed Forces deaths in the Middle East. From the stats that I have seen the civilian deaths in the Middle East are much much larger than the Armed Forces deaths. I guess American deaths are the only ones that matter.

I wasn't basing my claim off of just military deaths. I honestly think military deaths in the Middle East would still be higher than gang (civilian or gang) deaths in the United States.

When you figure civilian deaths, the number is not even close. I would say pushing 100,000.

 

[Meatman]

the tillman thing, dont open a can of worms like that because you 'read something on the internet' I watched his little skit in front of congress awhile back. Most of what he said was true but he left out some pretty key parts. Unfortunately for you I can't even tell you half of what went on that day and the weeks that followed. not even one quarter of that mess has been declassified. As for everything else im not going to argue with you about whos right and whos wrong.

 

[cmantle1]

To Meatman.....

heres my question. in a post above, you say the inner city murders and crime are much higher than those overseas. So, why then, arent we doing more about that?!? rather than spending a endless amount on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11

 

[BigTruck]

To answer the original question......



NO!

 

[Meatman]

you know c I've asked myself the same thing, its not in the political agenda, everyone is playin the war card. Why aren't we focused on ways to bring fuel prices down? why aren't we more concerned about our social security and our own well being? I can't answer that question. I would love nothing more than to see our government take care of the problems that affect us stateside.

In 7 years we've lost 4508 soldiers, not all are combat related. These numbers reflect afghanistan's and iraq's. while that is a high number it is nothing compared to the kinds of numbers seen stateside.

and for milehigh here are a couple links for you to check out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1901108/posts
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/files/HE.pdf
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918

kinda crazy they found no signs of WMDs huh? what did you say earlier..just because you havent seen 2 mil doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

 

[ruffryder]

kinda crazy they found no signs of WMDs huh? what did you say earlier..just because you havent seen 2 mil doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

From your links it states that WMD's have been found (though it seems the definition of WMD's is not consistent)

I am curious as to if the above is true, why hasn't our government come out and stated it?

 

[jsledder]

Rep = "stop eating paint chips, you are clearly getting dumber"

Is that anything like stupider?????

Please reveal yourself so I can respond.

Back to the topic.... OBAMA sucks!!! (he!!, they all do as far as that goes, it's time to get a westerner in the big seat)

 

[milehighassassin]

you know c I've asked myself the same thing, its not in the political agenda, everyone is playin the war card. Why aren't we focused on ways to bring fuel prices down? why aren't we more concerned about our social security and our own well being? I can't answer that question. I would love nothing more than to see our government take care of the problems that affect us stateside.

In 7 years we've lost 4508 soldiers, not all are combat related. These numbers reflect afghanistan's and iraq's. while that is a high number it is nothing compared to the kinds of numbers seen stateside.

and for milehigh here are a couple links for you to check out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1901108/posts
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/files/HE.pdf
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918

kinda crazy they found no signs of WMDs huh? what did you say earlier..just because you havent seen 2 mil doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

1st link.. Another forum, not a valid, simply a bunch of opinions.
2nd link: which you stole from that forum is a BLOG, meaning ONE person's opinion. IT is also an advertisement for a book. He is making money off of this. He doesn't cite any information or references. Everything is a claim.

3rd link: WOW they found 1 (ONE, count them again... 1) cartridge filled with mustard gas. That is amazing, I'm glad we invaded this country lost soldiers, killed almost 100,000 civilians and piss the entire middle east off for that ONE cartridge. Notice there are not any other news stories covering this. Try to find one from BBC.

4th link. Seems the most valid of them all but it is an initial report. There is no follow up listed. What happened? Did it not turn out to be what they thought.



About Pat Tillman, don't open up that can of worms? De-classified. IT hasn't been declassified because there is substantial evidence that suggest he was killed (murdered, on purpose) by another soldier.

It is classic military cover-up.
You say you know exactly what happened? How? Did you see it?


You missed the point, the point is that, many soldier feel the same way him and his brother do, but they are not allowed (court marshal) to speak about it until they have left the military. We went from invading a country to go after the Taliban and Al Quada because of September 11, to invading Iraq because they supported terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.

Iraq is a joke. WE never should have stopped our operations in Afghanistan. Iraq didn't have any real weapons, they were not a threat to the United States. They were not even a real threat to the Middle East. Iran is more of a threat, and their threat is minimal.