Any real world HP numbers for the HO engine?

[Danny Dangles]

I think you should do yourself a favor and boost your pro

Will you buy me a turbo. Lol. What boost lbs and kit are you running? I'm willing to travel to ride new places. When you boost your sled let me know and then you can show me up.[/QUOTE]

lol maybe you could sell one of the pros and have enough for a turbo? Was only running 7-8lbs on the hm kit, so that would be 190ish hp. why wait for boost? bring it to revy!

Im sitting on the fence of whether to rebuild the 12' or boost the 14', will see how cheap i get a bulkhead/tunnel for. Had it all figured out until that damn axys came out!

 

[GoBigParts]

Everyone is saying that the flat land miles on the 800 ho are basically meaningless. I know mountain miles do not equal trail miles, and unfortunately I wasn't paying attention to the sled game enough when the pros came out, but what were the original reports from the flatlanders with the pro 800 motors? Were they getting the same miles as the new HO with as few of failures as we have seen out of the HO? It's not apples to apples but the fact that we have seen several guys with over 1500 miles and ZERO (that I've seen, other than one case which appeared to be something getting sucked through the motor) failures is not meaningless. At least in my mind

I don't know if trail miles are meaning less. I live in the midwest and used to ride trail all the time. We would run these things at high RPM for miles and miles on end. Or hold them pinned across the lake racing your buddy. Boondocking the trees I am not to the pin near as much and when I am on the trail now I go much slower. Sure when your climbing or down turns in the very deep yeah you need to have it to the pin but we used to do that for 200-300 miles a day on the trail.

 

[Iceman56]

Ok,.....
I ride a supercharged 163 Axys custom chassis, and it makes my stock yami "PIG" super boring to ride..
Ummmm....
What's yer point?... Your comparing boosted vs stock.
I don't get it.

Wait what? You have a supercharged Axys? Please do tell us more, did Carls build it?

 

[Iceman56]

I don't know if trail miles are meaning less. I live in the midwest and used to ride trail all the time. We would run these things at high RPM for miles and miles on end. Or hold them pinned across the lake racing your buddy. Boondocking the trees I am not to the pin near as much and when I am on the trail now I go much slower. Sure when your climbing or down turns in the very deep yeah you need to have it to the pin but we used to do that for 200-300 miles a day on the trail.

I don't know, on a stock sled in much snow at all I might as well just duck tape the throttle to the bars... But then again I do run into a lot of stuff

 

[GoBigParts]

I don't know, on a stock sled in much snow at all I might as well just duck tape the throttle to the bars... But then again I do run into a lot of stuff

Not discounting that people ride tough terrain and need the throttle pinned a lot especially in the mountains. I am just stating many trail riders in the midwest get on these super hwys and tape them to the bar for miles on end. While boondocking we spend some time going slow looking for the next honey hole or next spot to turn in and hit.

 

[Reg2view]

Not discounting that people ride tough terrain and need the throttle pinned a lot especially in the mountains. I am just stating many trail riders in the midwest get on these super hwys and tape them to the bar for miles on end. While boondocking we spend some time going slow looking for the next honey hole or next spot to turn in and hit.

Lots of factors, load (much higher in heavy snow with a heavy track, as you know), cooling (25 mph pinned with a hood full of snow, no airflow, and VERY different cooling systems), VES operation (cylinder pressure impacted, this is much more of a culprit for high exhaust temps than given credit for, and combined with tight port timing and the CFI-4, created the 08/09 800 time bombs - big improvement moving to the HO), altitude and program (different maps), different fuel (lower octane), stop/putt and pin it, etc. They can get pushed hard on those super hwys, but they get pushed differently.

 

[GoBigParts]

Very difrerent but either way if pushed hard at all a design flaw to motor should show up.

 

[Remmy]

Sharp has a valid point. I also came from a turbo Apex to a Pro 163 and now I'm back on a Turbo Viper. Nothing handles better than the Pro imo. With that said, the handling of the Viper is getting much closer to the Pro and the power difference is like comparing doing a line of cocaine to falling asleep on the couch.

I also contemplated turboing the Pro but didn't due to reliability concerns.

Disclaimer; I don't use drugs. Couldn't even if I wanted to because of work

 

[geo]

A friend of mine has a lightened up 1100 `03 Cat. Goes like heck. Still doesn't make me want to ride it.

The AXYS will have more HP than the ol' Pro. It'll run cleaner and crisper. It'll rev faster. It'll be more dependable.
The HP thing will still be trashed about but instead of 10's of HP it will be about 1/10ths of HP.

If you think it's a big deal for the way you ride, pick the best dyno sheet you can find, make a copy, put it close to your heart and pull it out in the cabin so you can "prove" it when it really counts.

 

[Solarguy]

Good thread with a variety of opinions. I am an older 58 guy, i have ridden boosted yams and pros. For technical Mnt riding there is no comparison IMO for
for me. I can ride a stock pro in technical terrain that I would not dare ride a yam in, this includes the new viper.
I am fortunate to ride with a NW Montana guy older than me who chooses to ride a stock pro and puts his sled where younger guys on boosted sleds can't.
For 90% of us who love deep powder technical riding, the yams don't work. I agree there are those that make them work in tight technical riding, I certainly can't. Thank god for the "human condition", we enjoy different opinions, challenges and have fun arguing over who is right.
One thing is for sure, I do respect the Yam rider who hangs with the two stroke
guys in steep technical terrain.

 

[Sharp]

Everything depends on snow conditions for mountain riding. It can also change day to day. Every time I go out to ride I try to get better and better. I don't stay home if the conditions are not ideal, I still ride because you can learn a lot from snow conditions. From the deep powder to hero snow. I notice when I ride in deep snow that take every bit of power from your sled the more power you have the farther you can go. When I'm in these condition coming down a hill in trees and turning back up in the middle of the hill in the trees the more power your sled has the tighter you can turn. Several times I've been when I don't have the power, I'll have to side hill longer to pick up track speed and than turn up. When I have the power I have more options and lines I can pick. This makes the impossible possible. There's no doubt that track speed is your friend and the quicker you can get it the better.

 

[geo]

No doubt 270 ponies will spool up some trackspeed but you may be able to pull the same line with a VK 540 and it's 20" wide long track clicked into low range. Only thing similar between the two is they are both Yamahas.

Both have some advantages on the Axys. Both have some disadvantages. Why we're comparing them on a thread about a NA 800 twin 2 stroke's HP is beyond me though.

 

[GoBigParts]

I test rode a stock viper last season. I was expecting more from the 3 cylinder four stroke. It just felt less powerful all around. They must work great boosted but then the price goes way up as well.

 

[Bacon]

A friend of mine has a lightened up 1100 `03 Cat. Goes like heck. Still doesn't make me want to ride it.

The AXYS will have more HP than the ol' Pro. It'll run cleaner and crisper. It'll rev faster. It'll be more dependable.
The HP thing will still be trashed about but instead of 10's of HP it will be about 1/10ths of HP.

If you think it's a big deal for the way you ride, pick the best dyno sheet you can find, make a copy, put it close to your heart and pull it out in the cabin so you can "prove" it when it really counts.

How can you say the motor will be more dependable. They are only out on the short tracks. Who knows what they will do. I would love to try the new Poo, but they don't exactly have a stellar record with introducing new 800 motors.

 

[Jaynelson]

Other than some catastrophic 2005 900RMK type failure, the reliability question will likely go unanswered for many years.

If you fancy a new RMK....other than trying it, what are you going to do realistically? Wait 3 years and piece together an opinion based on the forums? That's basically all you could do....it's not like they put out reliability studies with real numbers ala the auto industry.

Sleds (of any brand) simply aren't dialed enough in the reliability department to say that buying a Cat or Doo will necessarily be any more reliable. In our group, the Cats have been the least reliable by far, even tho via the forum people might think otherwise. The Doo SEEMS to be more reliable based on these forums, but no one has any numbers. Are they 5% less likely to have an issue? 20%? 50%? No one knows....and we won't know. If you ask what was the most reliable sled in 2001 you still won't get a clear answer.

What we DO know, is that none of them are approaching Lexus reliability levels anytime soon, so the chance of getting a dud from any of the 3 is definitely still there. And the chances of the end user messing up a finicky machine with more hp per liter than a NASCAR....via crashing it or tinkering with it....are higher yet again. So the chances of picking another brand purely for reliability, and still having issues....are still there.

I'm not saying that to make excuses for Pol....it's their bed to sleep in if things don't work out. Just saying that if you want to try this new sled, letting that hold you back when there really is no "sure bet," seems kinda pointless to me. I bought a new Pro in 2011 without even seeing one and had 0 reliability issues for 4 years. And there was definitely some enjoyment in having an all-new model. Maybe lucky, or maybe the failure rates are just nowhere near what some people think....again, there's really no way to know, as there are no numbers.

 

[geo]

How can you say the motor will be more dependable. They are only out on the short tracks. Who knows what they will do. I would love to try the new Poo, but they don't exactly have a stellar record with introducing new 800 motors.

Cause since I`ve been interested in Poo`s they have been improving every year.

Only thing I have to go on. And what I see in my own and in my small world.

How about you?

 

[rmscustom]

Look I know this is the Polaris site. I have three Pro 2014 so I do comment on it. I also have two Nytro turbos and a 2015 Viper 270 hp mcx turbo. I don't worry about engine brake in with my Yamaha's as much as my Polaris'. My viper was turbo from day 1. 15lbs at sea level and up to 19lbs around 8000+, pump fuel with head shim and i don't worry about the engine like i do my Pro's. Brake it no more than 5 lbs of boost on first tank of gas. Each sled has its pro and cons. It would be sweet if Polaris' were reliable with turbos. I don't think they are so i don't turbo mine. When ride my viper it has some much more power that its ALMOST not fun to ride the polaris'. I know this is hard to believe for most polaris riders but it's true. Power is your friend. Also, they are not just for climbing long steep chutes. It handles awesome in the tree and tight boondocking. Your selling yourself short by not giving them an honest chance. 145 hp or 168 hp is what I've read with the polaris. These numbers drop the higher you go and in deep powder track speed is your best friend. I look at hills much different with my new sled. People I ride with are impressed by this sled. Cheers.

Gotta ask... What engine problems have YOU had with your 3 2014 Pros???

 

[rmscustom]

Look I know this is the Polaris site. I have three Pro 2014 so I do comment on it. I also have two Nytro turbos and a 2015 Viper 270 hp mcx turbo. I don't worry about engine brake in with my Yamaha's as much as my Polaris'. My viper was turbo from day 1. 15lbs at sea level and up to 19lbs around 8000+, pump fuel with head shim and i don't worry about the engine like i do my Pro's. Brake it no more than 5 lbs of boost on first tank of gas. Each sled has its pro and cons. It would be sweet if Polaris' were reliable with turbos. I don't think they are so i don't turbo mine. When ride my viper it has some much more power that its ALMOST not fun to ride the polaris'. I know this is hard to believe for most polaris riders but it's true. Power is your friend. Also, they are not just for climbing long steep chutes. It handles awesome in the tree and tight boondocking. Your selling yourself short by not giving them an honest chance. 145 hp or 168 hp is what I've read with the polaris. These numbers drop the higher you go and in deep powder track speed is your best friend. I look at hills much different with my new sled. People I ride with are impressed by this sled. Cheers.

One of the best riders I ride with has a bla bla bla high hp Yamaha, Its sits in his garage and he rides a stock pro. I think it's still in there, last I knew he couldn't give away a $25k build.

Last year a guy I rode with had a full custom build 4s cat. Light everything, 300hp evo, x3 and K mod suspension. I spent 3 days digging that thing out of in the tree tight boondocking. The last time he got it stuck I jumped on my girls bone stock 600 pro and went right through his bomb hole after we turned him around, "elevatored" back down past him, turned around mid slope and did it again. That was the last time he rode it... Guess what he's on now.

There is NO replacement for light weight. You can argue the fact that your high HP heavy Yamacat makes up for it but the best riders in the world have a hard time using full throttle 10% of the time. Even on the under powered Pro. How is your 270hp making up for the weight the other 90%?

 

[Sharp]

How is your 270hp making up for the weight the other 90%?[/QUOTE]


Great. No problem with me. Down in Chile Skinner said these sleds are heavy when stuck. You've answered everyone question. Lets all buy Pro because everything else suck.

 

[rmscustom]

How is your 270hp making up for the weight the other 90%?

Great. No problem with me. Down in Chile Skinner said these sleds are heavy when stuck. You've answered everyone question. Lets all buy Pro because everything else suck.[/QUOTE]

Dude if your spending 90% of your time stuck you got other issues than what sled your ridding. jk