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MNSLEDNECK56308
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^^^ Yes its for all 08 and 09 800's
800 Recall
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deepdiver
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I am a bit confused here...It will be a good thing to post copies of any Polaris leters or documents to eliminate the guess work.
Typically for any warranty to be voided or in better terms a warranty repair not covered......the manufacture must be able to show proof that the aftermarket part caused the failure. To arbitrairly force a consumer to a certain vendor or to eliminite or cause harm to another business by controling compitation falls into serious legal issues. I would like to see this one in writing! Reference page 122 of the 08 model year owners manual. It clearly states at the bottom of the page warranty excludes failures resulting from " use of aftermarket components resulting in failure" They cant just throw out a "carte Blance" blanket statement that any can will void your complete warranty. They must be more specific whan it comes to legal issues.
Now hypothetically if this were the case; the old 08 100lb suitcase exhaust cans have welds that break, causing the baffels to clog into the output port of the can causing a serious bogged down condition!
Is it a different part number they call for??..and if so Polaris should have to eat that one.
this is what the bulletin says
"RMK SILENCER AVAILABILITY
The only Polaris-authorized aftermarket exhaust component/modification is the Starting Line Products (SLP) Silencer
offered by Pure Polaris and SLP.
o Polaris PN 2876340 or 2877184 SLP Part Number 09-288 or 09-289
NOTE: If the snowmobile is equipped with the PURE Polaris or SLP silencer, you do not need to replace it with the new
800 Service Silencer, PN 1262142-489.
The service silencer, PN 1262142-RMK, is not included with this Service Bulletin. Polaris develops, tests, and
calibrates RMK snowmobiles for use in high-elevation. Polaris has tested the engine update kit with the stock silencerand the SLP Silencer (part numbers listed above) and found it to work according to specifications in a high elevation
environment. However, Polaris understands that some RMK customers operate their snowmobiles at low elevations
and/or have not installed an aftermarket silencer. While Polaris will not be replacing the original silencer with the
service silencer on any 800 RMK snowmobile under warranty, or with this Service Bulletin, PURE Polaris has
substantially reduced the retail cost of the service silencer for a limited time. Customers who primarily operate their
800 RMK snowmobiles at low elevations may wish to purchase the optional service silencer. Please discuss the
primary riding location and current silencer configuration with your customer when they call to schedule their service
appointment. The part number for the RMK Service silencer is 1262142-RMK, and can be ordered at a discount for a
limited time only. Please Note: The promotional price for the service silencer is temporary and will end on June 1,
2010.
NOTE: Polaris does not conduct engine testing with aftermarket modifications or engine performance products other than
the before-mentioned SLP silencer. If any aftermarket modifications or engine performance products are installed on the
snowmobile, Polaris recommends removing the components/modifications and re-configuring the snowmobile back to the
stock configuration. If the consumer insists on re-installing their non-SLP silencer, please explain the potential
ramifications of runability problems, potential for engine failure, and voided engine warranty"
as for the new can they want low elevation rmk's to run ..it is based off a 2010 800 can that has a different mnt bracket to fit the 08 and 09 sleds..
Hey Ski, is this filter as fine and finer as the stock fuel filter and bigger to allow more volume and particulate collection. I seen many of your post and am very aware of the termoil you gone threw and i agree that $90 is pretty steep for a $25 filter. Thanks
Yep, that's why I made a trip to the auto parts store. @ $25 later I have a filter that has about 4 times the filter area and much much cheaper to replace down the road. Purolator #F64728
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aebsledder
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Confused as well
So, is Polaris assuming that silencers other than theirs or SLP's have caused or will cause the issues that everyone has experienced? I am by no means an expert snowmobile mechanic, but that seems a little thin to me. I am confused by the part that instructs the dealer to inform the customer of the possible runability issues by not using a specified silencer. Personally, my sled ran great last year (other than chaincase issues) as did the 3 other 08 and 09 800 cfi owners that I ride with. I am still on the fence on whether or not to get it done right away, but I guess if I do I will put the stock can back on. I just feel sorry for a few of the poor bastards that may be told their sled won't or isn't going to run right because of their can.
So, is Polaris assuming that silencers other than theirs or SLP's have caused or will cause the issues that everyone has experienced? I am by no means an expert snowmobile mechanic, but that seems a little thin to me. I am confused by the part that instructs the dealer to inform the customer of the possible runability issues by not using a specified silencer. Personally, my sled ran great last year (other than chaincase issues) as did the 3 other 08 and 09 800 cfi owners that I ride with. I am still on the fence on whether or not to get it done right away, but I guess if I do I will put the stock can back on. I just feel sorry for a few of the poor bastards that may be told their sled won't or isn't going to run right because of their can.
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xc6rider
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How about the guys that buy a used sled with an aftermarket can!? They'll have to buy a stock one at high dollar before taking the sled in for recall.
I'll have to remember this when I find the sled for me!!
worst case and you find a good deal on a sled...polaris is selling the right can(the recommended one) for 125.00..so once you reach a price on the sled..tell them the deal maker is a 125.00 discount....
NFC, I just figured that they are both for fuel injected notors and so far so good.
You don't have to put the stock can on to get the recall done, it is a recall, you just need to be aware that if you blow it up and you have an aftermarket can on it it will void the warranty, no different than ANY new sled. The manufacturer can't say they will warranty any can, what if you put one on that was way too restrictive and it caused the motor to melt down, that shouldn't be expected to be covered by warranty. Polaris is just giving the green light to SLP because they sell them under pure polaris and have tested the engines with them.
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Thought there was a federal law that states the manufacturer would have to prove the aftermarket part caused the problem, Magnuson-Moss Act I think it is called. I have the stock can if anyone close needs to borrow it to put it on and take it in. I am wavering as well, 500mi and just the mid-range bog, runs like a champ. Hope someone has a BB kit for this soon!
Seems like most run great just before they don't run at all. At least in my case, then poof, and the hole in the block means tow it back to the trailer! 2 rides on the new motor last year and already scoring the pistons.
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63nova
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Just curious....how do you get a hole in the block from a scored piston?
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xc6rider
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Simple.........scored piston leads to seized piston, seized piston leads to bent and or broken connecting rods....bent and broken connecting rods lead to case damage.
Simple.........scored piston leads to seized piston, seized piston leads to bent and or broken connecting rods....bent and broken connecting rods lead to case damage.
That's basically what they told me. It broke the bottom of the piston skirt and took out the bottom or side of the block in addition to wrecking my V3s which they wouldn't cover. It ran awesome all day before that though.
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deepdiver
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Here is some straight scoop.
The bulletin was published to our dealers on Thursday afternoon 8/27. The letters are being sent to all customers as we speak. Polaris faxed a notice to the dealers that the bulletin was posted on their dealer website. If the person you talked to had not yet logged on to read the bulletin, they would not have been aware of the content. A key reason why we send letters directly to the consumer.
Select the dealer that you want to work with and get your machine scheduled for an engine update. It does state “the 800 engine update kit upgrades all 2008 - 2009 800cc CFI engines with new pistons that feature two rings and a new piston profile. Each kit includes a new cylinder head, which is designed to optimize combustion stability.
After this upgrade is completed your machine will be flashed with a new calibration to take advantage of the new the Detonation Elimination System (DET) which has been re-calibrated to be more aggressive in not only detecting detonation, but also alerting the operator when detonation is occurring. If an excessive detonation condition is detected, the check engine light will illuminate notifying the operator of an excessive detonation condition. In this mode the ECU is actively adjusting ignition timing and fuel levels to reduce detonation. If the level of detonation subsides, the ECU will return the ignition timing and fuel levels to normal operating levels and the check engine light will turn off.”
The bulletin was published to our dealers on Thursday afternoon 8/27. The letters are being sent to all customers as we speak. Polaris faxed a notice to the dealers that the bulletin was posted on their dealer website. If the person you talked to had not yet logged on to read the bulletin, they would not have been aware of the content. A key reason why we send letters directly to the consumer.
Select the dealer that you want to work with and get your machine scheduled for an engine update. It does state “the 800 engine update kit upgrades all 2008 - 2009 800cc CFI engines with new pistons that feature two rings and a new piston profile. Each kit includes a new cylinder head, which is designed to optimize combustion stability.
After this upgrade is completed your machine will be flashed with a new calibration to take advantage of the new the Detonation Elimination System (DET) which has been re-calibrated to be more aggressive in not only detecting detonation, but also alerting the operator when detonation is occurring. If an excessive detonation condition is detected, the check engine light will illuminate notifying the operator of an excessive detonation condition. In this mode the ECU is actively adjusting ignition timing and fuel levels to reduce detonation. If the level of detonation subsides, the ECU will return the ignition timing and fuel levels to normal operating levels and the check engine light will turn off.”
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deepdiver
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Sulley...you are correct again!
According to the Report of the House of Representatives which accompanied the law (House Report No. 93-1197, 93d Cong 2d Sess.) the Magnuson-Moss act was enacted by Congress in response to the widespread misuse by merchants of express warranties and disclaimers. The legislative history indicates that the purpose of the Act is to make warranties on consumer products more readily understood and enforceable and to provide the Federal Trade Commission with means to better protect consumers.[1]
The statute is remedial in nature and is intended to protect consumers from deceptive warranty practices. Consumer products are not required to have warranties, but if one is given, it must comply with the Magnuson-Moss Act.
The Act provides that any warrantor warranting a consumer product to a consumer by means of a written warranty must disclose, fully and conspicuously, in simple and readily understood language, the terms and conditions of the warranty to the extent required by rules of the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC has enacted regulations governing the disclosure of written consumer product warranty terms and conditions on consumer products actually costing the consumer more than $15. The Rules can be found at 16 C.F.R. Part 700.
Under the terms of the Act, ambiguous statements in a warranty are construed against the drafter of the warranty.
Likewise, service contracts must fully, clearly, and conspicuously disclose their terms and conditions in simple and readily understood language.
Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[2] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions[3], and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives.
Its about time. If Polaris kept postponing this fix I was entertaining the Carls 860 CFI kit .....
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Glad to see they went with a dual ring piston. I'm curious about the new head design and what it combined with the new piston are going to do for output. It has to be less aggressive than the old head I'd think...
That's not going to be enforceable. The car guys went through this long ago and even Polaris themselves tried this with the XLTs and ended up having to back off because of federal laws.
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