3" Track for the Pro

[damx]

I agree, even in the wet heavy snow it works better. On the more set up snow it wheels like a mother $&@ker, talked to carls and they said to move the front track shock mount (top) on the tunnel. Back 3/4 ". And this would help not wheely so bad. Anyone try this yet?

 

[goridedoo]

156 or 163 3in... What would u do??
Always had a 163 but 156-3 sounds fun.. Just looking for input?

I would run a 163, I am running a 156, haven't ridden with anyone who has 163, so I can't say from experience, but I do think that the 3" 156 needs an aftermarket skid for it to work at its full potential (coupling). I do like my track, but I just haven't felt the hype, in no way will run with a 6-7lbs of boost, I highly disagree with anyone claiming this.

I should have played with my suspension set up a little more to see if I could get different results, and I really would like to see how the 156 would work with coupling, think it would work much better.

 

[tdbaugha]

I would run a 163, I am running a 156, haven't ridden with anyone who has 163, so I can't say from experience, but I do think that the 3" 156 needs an aftermarket skid for it to work at its full potential (coupling). I do like my track, but I just haven't felt the hype, in no way will run with a 6-7lbs of boost, I highly disagree with anyone claiming this.

I should have played with my suspension set up a little more to see if I could get different results, and I really would like to see how the 156 would work with coupling, think it would work much better.

I never rode mine without the full KMOD set-up. With the stock track I ran the base settings on the skid and it was the perfect amount of playfulness and ability to climb. Once I installed the X3, with the KMOD at the base settings, it was a trench and wheelie monster. Stockers got around better that I was. Was almost regretting the purchase it was that bad.

I soften up the front track shock a ton and messed with the clickers to keep it compliant through the bumps. Now, it leaps onto the snow and moves. With the right body english and throttle control I can still lift the skis at will for tech/acrobatic riding.

Obviously a turbo will out climb me given a large enough distance. But here at 6-6500ft and tree riding, the 3" doesn't give up anything to the turbo IMO. We rarely reach anything over 30mph ground speed. I'm 100% satisfied.

Next summer Fastrax is getting my motor for the full package and I'm certain my sled get around better than my buddies Boondocker turbo for what kind of riding we do.

 

[MountainRider05]

So do you guys think the stock suspension has enough play to be able to fine tune for the 156 3 in..i dnt want to get into suspension upgrades.. Will be sno checking a 15.. Thought maybe the 156 3in would hav better spin and thought maybe the 162 3in might be a little too much but i also dnt want a trench monster!! Decisions decisions!!

 

[JonezyBones]

I would run a 163, I am running a 156, haven't ridden with anyone who has 163, so I can't say from experience, but I do think that the 3" 156 needs an aftermarket skid for it to work at its full potential (coupling). I do like my track, but I just haven't felt the hype, in no way will run with a 6-7lbs of boost, I highly disagree with anyone claiming this.

I should have played with my suspension set up a little more to see if I could get different results, and I really would like to see how the 156 would work with coupling, think it would work much better.

I was kind of excited when I got my x3 because I've never been able to pull the skis up on my pro.

To my disappointment I still can't even if I try. I'm not looking to pull wheelies all day I just figured with the added traction I could leave my front track shock soft and be able to pull the front up.

I didn't realize the 155's pull the fronts up so easily. Other 155's I ride with don't have the wheelie problem either. But they also don't try. (They also have stock tracks)

I've always thought that was one of the best features of the pro being able to be planted virtually at all times. With the proper setup of course.
I imagine if you play with the suspension and possibly revalving to your weight it could very well change how well your sled rides with the new track.

 

[R_8_N]

I never rode mine without the full KMOD set-up. With the stock track I ran the base settings on the skid and it was the perfect amount of playfulness and ability to climb. Once I installed the X3, with the KMOD at the base settings, it was a trench and wheelie monster. Stockers got around better that I was. Was almost regretting the purchase it was that bad.

I soften up the front track shock a ton and messed with the clickers to keep it compliant through the bumps. Now, it leaps onto the snow and moves. With the right body english and throttle control I can still lift the skis at will for tech/acrobatic riding.

Obviously a turbo will out climb me given a large enough distance. But here at 6-6500ft and tree riding, the 3" doesn't give up anything to the turbo IMO. We rarely reach anything over 30mph ground speed. I'm 100% satisfied.

Next summer Fastrax is getting my motor for the full package and I'm certain my sled get around better than my buddies Boondocker turbo for what kind of riding we do.

I have Fastrax porting package on mine with a 3". You will not be disappointed as long as you do everything Curt tells ya. Last season I skipped on the pipe setup and just did the porting head and PCV and thought it was good. Once I put that Dyno port Y Pipe and can on with the 3" holy chit was it a different sled! I think its about the ultimate tree bashing machine now. FYI too I have about 1300 flawless miles with the setup now. super pleased with Fastrax.

Ya leaning towards 156 just to try something diff.. Im about 175 i just dnt want to regret having gone down to 156.. But technical tree riding is most of my riding.

I have a 162x3 and have put some time on a 156x3 too. I was up in the air thinking that the added traction would make me want the shorter track to be able to whip around in the trees easier. I think I ride some pretty nasty tight tree lines and after being on both im very glad I went with the 162. Im 260 and adding this track on my sled hasnt made it feel like a tractor or made me go slower through the trees. If you are an aggressive rider you will only see gains on being able to take it to that even higher tighter line that the stock track just couldnt quite do.

 

[MountainRider05]

Is ur 162 and the 156 u rode have stock skid?

 

[Scott]

So do you guys think the stock suspension has enough play to be able to fine tune for the 156 3 in..i dnt want to get into suspension upgrades.. Will be sno checking a 15.. Thought maybe the 156 3in would hav better spin and thought maybe the 162 3in might be a little too much but i also dnt want a trench monster!! Decisions decisions!!

I'm still using stock skid. Setup and tweeking makes it good.

 

[R_8_N]

Is ur 162 and the 156 u rode have stock skid?

my 162 has a Exit rear shock with stock center shock with an exit spring on it. Stock was way to soft for my fatness! Hers is the 156 that has the timbersled rear scissor upgrade with a fox on it with the stock center shock. She likes it a lot. It comes down to personal preference I think.

 

[goridedoo]

As said there are so many variables that play into what works and what doesn't. Like I said I didn't play with my suspension once, which was stupid, but I was having to much fun riding. I plan on revalving to my weight this summer, and setting up the suspension better for this track, and playing with it on the snow till I get it dialed. I really think with proper adjustment I will see huge gains.

At 6000' the sled was a wheelie monster, and a lot of fun, but it also trenched a lot. At 10000' it wasn't really a wheelie monster, just trenched, but it still just kept tractoring along most of the time.

Running the center punched 156 also required me to move the front arm of the skid back a hole to allow for the slack in the track to be taken up. I'm not sure what moving the front arm back does to the geometry of the skid or what it effects? Anyone have any ideas? But I think I am gonna try an offset axle and larger wheels so I can move the arm back to the stock hole.

 

[Scott]

As said there are so many variables that play into what works and what doesn't. Like I said I didn't play with my suspension once, which was stupid, but I was having to much fun riding. I plan on revalving to my weight this summer, and setting up the suspension better for this track, and playing with it on the snow till I get it dialed. I really think with proper adjustment I will see huge gains.

At 6000' the sled was a wheelie monster, and a lot of fun, but it also trenched a lot. At 10000' it wasn't really a wheelie monster, just trenched, but it still just kept tractoring along most of the time.

Running the center punched 156 also required me to move the front arm of the skid back a hole to allow for the slack in the track to be taken up. I'm not sure what moving the front arm back does to the geometry of the skid or what it effects? Anyone have any ideas? But I think I am gonna try an offset axle and larger wheels so I can move the arm back to the stock hole.

Left my skid mounted in stock holes.
Running offset axle and Fabcraft 9" wheels.

Anytime you move the skid you are messing with ski pressure and weight transfer which affects trenching.

 

[goridedoo]

Who's axle are you running? Does Tki build one?

 

[Scott]

Hmmmm, can't remember.

Got it out of the WPS catalog. I'll dig it up.

 

[Scott]

Pretty sure it's the TKI 2-wheel offset.

http://www.wps-inc.com/catalogs/snow#Task=PREV&CICID=SM&PRVCID=SM&PAGE=786&Rnd=2008707839408873

 

[snowmoherb]

Update:

Loving my 163" X3 (non-ported). 1100-1200 miles on it this year and still pulling hard!

 

[TracksCanada]

I have the dropped Avid chaincase, big drivers, and a cut 3 inch 162 extreme. I love the setup. It works great! My only issue has been the durability of the track. I have lost a few paddles in just over 1000 miles.
I have thought about going to the x3 so it doesn't need to cut.

ANOTHER X3 in stock Polaris 7 tooth drivers. No failure of X3's on 8 tooth "yet"

 

[goridedoo]

Lugs tend to come off when you take your sled mudding...

 

[mountainhorse]

I've seen the same failure on X3's with 8 tooth drivers that run an extended drive... at the root like that...usually heat delam from too fast of trail use in marginal hard snow conditions... I've seen the same on 2.5" tracks as well.

Even on these new drum molded tracks... Camoplast says that the number one issue is caused by heat in the track.... flexing the paddle back and forth with all that leverage on a hard-pack trail can take it's toll.

The first pic is not an X3... the lug tips are different... looks like an early model, non-durm-molded, 3" track.

With all of that dirt on the track...It was definitely run in marginal...or even dry, conditions... and really looks like heat delam.
I'd expect the same result with a 9tooth driver in those conditions.


This photo shows an actual X3 track.

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[rmscustom]

I've seen the same failure on X3's with 8 tooth drivers that run an extended drive... at the root like that...usually heat delam from too fast of trail use in marginal hard snow conditions... I've seen the same on 2.5" tracks as well.

Even on these new drum molded tracks... Camoplast says that the number one issue is caused by heat in the track.... flexing the paddle back and forth with all that leverage on a hard-pack trail can take it's toll.

The first pic is not an X3... the lug tips are different... looks like an early model, non-durm-molded, 3" track.

With all of that dirt on the track...It was definitely run in marginal...or even dry, conditions... and really looks like heat delam.
I'd expect the same result with a 9tooth driver in those conditions.

It will be interesting to see what happens next year when the T3 lands in the hands of the masses.

 

[diamonddave]

I've seen the same failure on X3's with 8 tooth drivers that run an extended drive... at the root like that...usually heat delam from too fast of trail use in marginal hard snow conditions... I've seen the same on 2.5" tracks as well.

Even on these new drum molded tracks... Camoplast says that the number one issue is caused by heat in the track.... flexing the paddle back and forth with all that leverage on a hard-pack trail can take it's toll.

The first pic is not an X3... the lug tips are different... looks like an early model, non-durm-molded, 3" track.

With all of that dirt on the track...It was definitely run in marginal...or even dry, conditions... and really looks like heat delam.
I'd expect the same result with a 9tooth driver in those conditions.


This photo shows an actual X3 track.

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Sweet. I saw all the same things this am but didn't have time to post.

And your analysis is spot on IMO also.