3" Track for the Pro

[boondocker155]

Mtncat1 and I got my X3 installed tonight! I can't wait to rip it in all of this new utah snow!


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[LoudHandle]

The Downsides from runing 8,s with the extended case are far worst than so called downside with 7, s.. I ran both and have first have knowledge how the 8,s were smacking every bump/chunk. It will take the glued together axle out much quicker and is annoying at best. The axle is totally exposed and not protected.

Do you even have a PRO? From most of your posts to date you are referencing you Skidoo experience.

 

[mountainhorse]

LH... there are costs and benefits to EVERY choice made on outfitting a piece of machinery.... Extended chaincase/drive-plates have "pluses" and "minus" just like anything else... if the benefits outweigh the costs for a particular application... then that is great.

There are efficiency benefits that you mention to the larger drivers.. and there are durability benefits to a more "shrouded" drive shaft.
Neither of these points is without merit.

Also, one person could have problems with a particular setup... and others never have a glitch.

I think that it is good to look at all possibilities and discuss opinions... keeps the juices flowing!!









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[flying frenchman]

So here's a question for those who did do a 7 tooth driver. My question is if the drivers are smaller in diameter then wouldn't it pull the inside of the track down putting more pressure on the wire tabs on the top of the front torque arm while track is turning. Wouldn't this rub to hard and eventually wreck the inside of the track?

 

[mountainhorse]

FF... Didn't you make these posts yesterday??

Looking for info on what to use for a top idler and shaft so track doesn't rub on top of front torque arm.
I wanna go to a 7 tooth driver but don't want the track to rub on front torque arm.

Wahl Brothers... $47 ... popular with the 7tooth driver crowd.

http://www.wahlracing.com/product.php?productid=19740&cat=319

"Track Carrier"

This Wheel Kit bolts into tunnel in order to eliminate unwanted track slap. Kit mounts between the suspension and track allowing the wheel kit to pick up on the track and deflect it away from the suspension. Be sure that you mount it high enough to keep suspension from bottoming out into it. Kit includes shaft with spacers, two 2 3/4” idlers and fasteners. Kits are available in six lengths. Custom lengths available upon request by contacting our tech support.

Thanks. Mountainhorse. This is awesome.

 

[flying frenchman]

Yes I sure did but, talked with a few people they don't even have those or install them when they do 7 tooth driver install. Just wondering if anybody's checked if these are rubbing.
The only place that shaft could go would be 1 3/8" in front of front of torque arm. It might be close when rails come to top. But how come no one else installs these when doing a 7 tooth driver.
Is there any other spot that it wouldn't hit susp. arms?

 

[flying frenchman]

Yes I am thinking of installing a 3" track. Gotta figure this out first.

 

[mountainhorse]

Just wondering if anybody's checked if these are rubbing.

The only place that shaft could go would be 1 3/8" in front of front of torque arm. It might be close when rails come to top. But how come no one else installs these when doing a 7 tooth driver.

Is there any other spot that it wouldn't hit susp. arms?

FF, I can see where your confusion comes from... but NO WORRIES.

It goes aft of the front suspension arm... The wheels are almost out to the edge of the shaft... maybe 3/4" in from the inside of the tunnel.

Remember that the down tubes of the front swing arm of the rear suspension taper inward towards the rails... and that there is a space between there and the tunnel.

The cross shaft of the Wahl track carrier mounts aft of there and the swing arm does not come into contact with it.

You can see in the photo where Allen Mangum of Timbersled products mounted this "Track Carrier" in his sled...The red arrow points out the button head 316SS screw used to mount the shaft in the tunnel.

ALL 7 tooth driver equipped sleds that have the stock suspension and drive train will rub on the wear bars on the arm...Weather people see it or not...It's there.

 

[mtncat1]

Yeah it sounds like Carls is the way to go. Just curious as to how much clearance vs a stock track there is around the bulkhead.

after just installing an x3 yesterday I will tell you there is very little clearance up in the bulk head, I couldn't even get the drivers into the chain case with the track installed. I had to pull the chain case install the track and drivers then reinstall the case. it looks like it's gonna rip though .

 

[JonezyBones]

after just installing an x3 yesterday I will tell you there is very little clearance up in the bulk head, I couldn't even get the drivers into the chain case with the track installed. I had to pull the chain case install the track and drivers then reinstall the case. it looks like it's gonna rip though .

Thanks mtncat. I'm guessing you did the stock chain case mod?

 

[mtncat1]

yeah we did do the chain case mod. just like the pictures showed . but we found after we installed the track we didn't have to cut as much off the top portion of the case as we did.the. when I do another I'm gonna leave more on top . but all in all it worked out good makes the stock track look wimpy though.

 

[Finnlandr]

I have the X3 156 from Carls......only problem I have had is ice build up on the driveshaft which caused some rubbing....not a big deal...chipped it away and all was fine.

Otherwise I LOVE this track.....works great with the 900 BB kit from Carls.

 

[boondocker155]

I rode it all day Yesterday and it's true what the say. It is a poor mans turbo! It is just an all around better performing track in all conditions. It makes the sled even easier to ride and gives it a playful feel. It's for sure the best mod I've ever done!


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[PowderMiner]

All I have to say :face-i

Makes a fat guy able to go on top of the super deep. Now able to do the - oh crap - full power and 180* turn out, where before it was almost a sure stuck.

Gives a little more time in sidehills too to control washout and nose down adjustment.

May be a little harder to do downhill turn-ups, that may be from only riding 4 times so far this year .

Took lines into the epic deep and trees that my riding buddies said were stupid. You can still get stuck, but it is a situation that 97% of anyone on another sled would to And I was around multiple various turbo sleds.

Not sure if I would do it if I was 180 or only had one pro.

It sucks up the snow flap, so I need to fix that... cause it gets hot, not worried about the guys behind me

 

[TracksCanada]

Tracks Canada-How bout telling the truth, Lets discuss the failures and the bad batches of tracks that delamed early on due to the adhesion process. thats what Camoplast had said," Quote". None of the 3 inch 7 tooths have had issues and 1000,s of miles now. Yes this advertising works to assist you selling your new product, I change and try tracks quiet often. I guess you may want to ask the sled manufactures why they tuck up the drivers in the first place, Its because exposed axle will fail,bend . The extended case with 8 tooth's was smacking everything harshly. The extended case with 7,s worked nicely. 2nd year on this setup and flawless just like others are mentioning.There is a clear reason i pulled off the 8 tooths which are on the shelf now.

Byeatts:
Don't know what your problem is that you are judge and jury making accussations on what or who when it comes to truth. Usually I don't even respond to statements like yours.
You speak of adhesion and delamination issues as if you have sold hundreds of 3" paddle tracks and done many, many, many warranty claims. So you have the experience and the numbers to back up what in your mind is true. And lets not forget all the money you lost doing all those warranty claims !! Maybe the old line "Once bitten Twice shy" comes to mind. You actually believe and have been "told personally" from engineers ( or was it someone in SALES ) that "None of the 3 inch 7 tooths have had issues and 1000,s of miles"
I've had many, many of 9116's and 9115's 3" tracks with thousands of miles on them with 8 tooth drivers (and to be fair 30% with 7 tooth drivers) and no issues. So I guess "ALL" the other 3" tracks DIDN'T have issues !!! I don't believe anything unless I have proof and it in print. You go ahead and post your quote and who it's from.
I glad for you that you like your setup. Safe sledding.

 

[TracksCanada]

I had this very same argument with trackscanada back in december. I am running the 3" 156 X3 with ZERO issues on 7 tooth drivers. There is very little, if any, difference in snow evacuation/track clearance between stock drivers/stock track and 7 tooth drivers/3" track.

I could care less if my paddles go right to the outside edge of the track (like the cut down versions) as they are staggered anyways. I could understand the logic behind all of this (track clearance/snow evac room/lug width) if the lugs bridged across the whole track. IMO the stagger in lugs etc is more responsible for snow evac than track clearance in the tunnel. It looks to me like the lug design also funnels the snow towards the center of the track, which then allows for easy snow evacuation through the center lug spacing.

But, then again, I'm just a "keyboard cowboy expert"!! This isn't the rocket science that some people make it out to be!!

As MH said...track tension is key on these machines....3" tracks or not. Many people have tested different track tensions - but a tight track still delivers better performance.

P.S. - from what Curtis told me....he won't even sell the X3 track, so I'm not sure where all the expertise comes from...

Well Kevan now you follow me around on the threads. Are you trying to convince yourself or who. Maybe you just want to TRY to belittle me to make what your friend "who is a good friend and he always runs 7 tooth and 3" tracks" statements correct and mine wrong.
"I had this very same argument with trackscanada back in december." It wasn't considered an argument from my side. You are the one who made insulting remarks to me, nothing negative came from me !!!!!!!

You are WRONG as I've sold X3 tracks. I personally don't like them and tell people that up front, but I have sold them. I didn't know you personally had seen my invoice books !!!
"I could care less if my paddles go right to the outside edge of the track (like the cut down versions) " So this makes you right and people who want a 15" wide track wrong???
"There is very little, if any, difference in snow evacuation/track clearance between stock drivers/stock track and 7 tooth drivers/3" track." How did you MEASURE this???
I'm no expert just a fellow sledder who in last 10 years has sold thousand and thousands of tracks.

 

[TracksCanada]

I have the X3 156 from Carls......only problem I have had is ice build up on the driveshaft which caused some rubbing....not a big deal...chipped it away and all was fine.

Otherwise I LOVE this track.....works great with the 900 BB kit from Carls.

Yes 3" tracks are easy to fall in love with and enjoy. Question for you: "..only problem I have had is ice build up on the driveshaft which caused some rubbing..." Is this running the new 3 driver avid set up?

TIA

 

[sledhead9825]

I added the reversible scratchers from summitseeker on here. The wider blade on the scratcher really helps keeping the temps down.

 

[Scott]

I added the reversible scratchers from summitseeker on here. The wider blade on the scratcher really helps keeping the temps down.

I made sure I bent mine a little more when I went to the 3" track so that I have enough down force on the trail with the taller lugs.

 

[jaycampbell]

3 inch track is a huge improvement wicked sidehilling and awesome in the trees. I'm never stuck with the 3 inch track it just pulls u out of everything. I didn't change any clutching and it has been working awesome.