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2023 Snowcheck Reveal

cateye5312 said:
Well ... that was great for the top end of the market but the mid-market got nothing - still same lame carbureted 550 fanner and seven models in the old Pro chassis. The Axys chassis is completely gone but the Pro chassis lives on? What the he*ll? No 200 for the kiddos, no decent small mountain sled for new riders, just a 12 year old out of date chassis with a carbureted engine. Umm... guess Poo will let the other manufacturers capture the new riders. Seems like a dumb move to me but what do I know? I'm sure we all switched brands after growing up on whatever our dads had, right?
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Yup - my thoughts exactly. Once upon a time (2012-2018) Polaris offered a 600 144 RMK that came in at 45X pounds and was about a grand cheaper than the others and was a really great sled for folks who weren't the most hardcore in the world.

Now their stupid 650 SKS 146 comes in at 525 pounds therefore making it an absolute joke. Sad day for the mid-market for sure - especially with Ski-Doo now discontinuing their 600 146 SP as well this year.

Polaris does now offer the superrad 650 146 Khaos Slash, but it is definitely not a sled for the price-sensitive.

Very likely, at this point, with those moves, that my Dad has purchased his last sled ever a year and a half ago. Kind of a sad day to see.
 
Wasn't too bad for the RMK 850 Slash Boost 165 I configured for 2022 vs my 2023 snow check today. Increase for the sled with options was only $1k difference. I was expecting much worse. Now the question will be, how much is freight and what will dealer pricing be tomorrow when they go to place the order. MSRP=Ok, I understand todays environment. Dealer Addendum sticker will rub me the wrong way.
 
wheres the whole mulit-picture exciting reveal thread? oh wait, i see its at the bottom of the page here in "similar threads" marked IMPORTANT...
 
cateye5312 said:
Well ... that was great for the top end of the market but the mid-market got nothing - still same lame carbureted 550 fanner and seven models in the old Pro chassis. The Axys chassis is completely gone but the Pro chassis lives on? What the he*ll? No 200 for the kiddos, no decent small mountain sled for new riders, just a 12 year old out of date chassis with a carbureted engine. Umm... guess Poo will let the other manufacturers capture the new riders. Seems like a dumb move to me but what do I know? I'm sure we all switched brands after growing up on whatever our dads had, right?
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Yup, nothing compelling in the more budget-friendly lines. Really strange that everything AXYS has disappeared, except the Titan still uses the 800 HO.... Seems like a no-brainer to offer an AXYS 650/850 basic RMK. Yeah, kind of a waste to be selling three chassis, but why keep the oldest one? Going forward, they need to come out with a new motor for utility and mid-range sleds. The 650 is a de-bored 850, and probably costs almost as much to make. Something like Doo's done with the 600 EFI would make sense. No power valves makes things cheaper and simpler, and 100 HP would still be in reach. Plenty of motor for a trail sled, and I can't see why they couldn't make a basic RMK for just over $10k. Another option would be to build a new fan motor; keep the carbs for the truly entry-level sleds, but offer an EFI version with another 20HP. Kinda interesting that there's a 4-stroke again, but sounds like the same play as the old Frontier, and apparently adds 120lbs!

Anyway, on the top end, the 9R sounds like it'll be a ton of fun. No reason to pay money for the Boost if you ride at lower elevations; of course, the higher you get, the more boost is going to help you. And somebody's going to try turboing the 9R.... You gotta love the choices you have if you have the money to burn. I'm not sure what they're thinking on the low end, but that's not to detract from the top-of-the-line. I doubt Doo's more powerful turbo is going to out-gun the Boost, and the 9R definitely takes the cake for NA horsepower. The prices are about what you'd expect; that might be the place Doo is eking out a win, but I wonder if Doo dealers are going to mark them up and negate the advantage.
 
cateye5312 said:
Well ... that was great for the top end of the market but the mid-market got nothing - still same lame carbureted 550 fanner and seven models in the old Pro chassis. The Axys chassis is completely gone but the Pro chassis lives on? What the he*ll? No 200 for the kiddos, no decent small mountain sled for new riders, just a 12 year old out of date chassis with a carbureted engine. Umm... guess Poo will let the other manufacturers capture the new riders. Seems like a dumb move to me but what do I know? I'm sure we all switched brands after growing up on whatever our dads had, right?
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Apparently constraints continue to limit the number of machine they can produce. It make financial sense to focus on the product which commands a stronger return on investment. (margin)
As you have pointed out, there is a cost. Which in this case is the lack of cultivating future relationships.
 
Poo likely used an introductory price for the Boost last year, to quickly get big sales and social media momentum and market acceptance against the competition - Doo turbo. If it worked, plan/hope was to raise the price significantly in 23, regardless of supply chain. Dealer margins should be much stronger, too, with a hard ceiling on available units to sell. We'll see how they adjust, or flatten, Boost prices for 24, as crazy as that sounds.
 
I heard our local dealer was almost sold out of the 900's in 1 hour after the reveal . . .crazy!!
 
Sad that Polaris offers the cool display but can't seem to get them for the SXS world...... people wait 4 to 8 months for their machine.

Weird times....................
 
Mafesto said:
Apparently constraints continue to limit the number of machine they can produce. It make financial sense to focus on the product which commands a stronger return on investment. (margin)
As you have pointed out, there is a cost. Which in this case is the lack of cultivating future relationships.
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Exactly. I think that Poo will be alienating a LOT of customers. The allotments are very very small. I could see a lot of people jumping ship. UNLESS: Poo has made a smart move, and will be able to fulfill orders in a timely manner, and other brands DON'T. If there are two years of people not getting their sleds, regardless of brand, people will leave.
 
All the 9r’s are spoken for in the 1st day? Is my current 900 worth more? It even has the cobra cord already! Funny story the polars rope will break on carls 900! aleast the R&D caught that before the prototypes hit the snow
 
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