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2014 Snowcheck - E-start or no E-start?

First year riding I did a Dan Adams clinic. I asked Dan how I should spec out a Pro if I snow checked one. He was adamant about 2 things. 163" track and e start. I pushed him on both issues as EVERYBODY else I was asking about sleds was recommending 154" track and pull start. Track is another thread but his reasons for e start were; weight diff was 20lbs which he was positive no one could feel on the Pro, with e start you will rarely let your sled idle which wastes gas, can foul plugs and contributes to overheating, at the end of a long day you might have started a sled from 20 to 30 or more times which is a big drain on energy, pulling starting a sled is hard on your neck, shoulder and back, pull starting a sled in a precarious place can be tough ETC. I am really glad I listened especially since I use lightweight batteries so the total weight penalty is less than 10lbs. I am a pretty burly guy and ALL my sleds are pull start now and I get a ton of crap for it but MAN DO I LOVE MY E START.

Think for yourself, little follower. "well if Dan says it, it must be true" get a life Matte
 
Wow, if you people can't pull the rope 1-2 times, how the hell can you hold a sidehill??

This sled is just easy to start. 1-2 pulls, that's it. You should try starting my old Yamaha when it's cold outside :face-icon-small-dis

Yes, stock machines pull easy, but I'll guarantee you pull the rope far more than 1 or 2 times in a days worth of riding. Another thing to consider, some people have old injuries that are aggravated after repeat pull starts. I'm one of them with a separated shoulder and I added e-start to the list of stuff for my checked '14. Yes, I can hold a side hill but towards the end of the day my shoulder is toast, e-start will help alleviate some of that and allow me to ride longer. Getting older and having injuries sucks.......
 
Personal preference but for me e start is a must, when I have had the sled buried on a steep have to stand on the high side to get out e start is nice, reach over and key it on vs pulling off kilter flooded wont start moments. On my 1100 turbo going from the factory ytx20 series battery to a shorai was 12 pounds savings, from what I've read the starter and battery factory is 18lbs, so a lith ion batt will leave me net 8 lbs more to have e start over pull start.
 
Wow, if you people can't pull the rope 1-2 times, how the hell can you hold a sidehill??

This sled is just easy to start. 1-2 pulls, that's it. You should try starting my old Yamaha when it's cold outside :face-icon-small-dis


It's hard to explain and I hope you don't ever have to find out, but there's something about the motion of pulling the rope with resistance that really gets me. The real pain comes the next day when I can't move my arm and then it lasts a couple weeks like that. I can ride all day with e-start and not have any more than usual pain the following day.

Simply put, without E-start I wouldn't ride anymore. If that makes me a pansy, then so be it. At least I get to ride still.
 
If you don't like the weight, buy it and take it off. Put it back on , or have it as an option when you go to sell. Should be able to get your $400.00 back in the end and should help your sled sell quicker.
 
Think for yourself, little follower. "well if Dan says it, it must be true" get a life Matte

Thanks, your post added a lot to this thread. I paid Dan to show me how to ride. A guy who rides THE MOUNTAINS 60-80 days a year or more for a decade. Who built arguably the "best" mountain riding clinic in North America. I think the whole point was to "follow" him.
 
What kind of mountain rider says that 20 lbs doesn't matter? 20 lbs matters a lot, that's basically the reason I ride a PRO. Try to take 20 pounds off your sled, bet it won't be cheap. I doubt anyone has ever used the line "yeah I burned my whole tank of fuel today because I didn't have ES and let my sled idle all day". If you have shoulder injuries or are getting to the age where pulling the rope isn't appealing anymore I'd understand that.
 
What kind of mountain rider says that 20 lbs doesn't matter?

The really great ones.

For the rest of us mere mortals, it's a tradeoff. I have both, with and without, pros and cons, all of them listed here. My main sled doesn't but my wife's does, and I probably like that more than her :face-icon-small-coo.

What kind of mountain rider needs a turbo, anyways???
 
It's 10lbs MAX with a LW battery. On the days the weight might matter my sled has 50-70lbs of snow on it. Even with a lead acid battery I would be AMAZED if someone could feel any difference riding a sled with e start and without. But I'm not trying to convince anyone either way. The questions don't have right answers.
 
Accessories. Electrical source (with engine off). Electrical charging system. I have the auxiliary running light, GPS and a 12v power port all hard wired into the battery. And I can start the engine with the sled upside down. Deny the attributes now, but once electric start enters your life you will come around. No reason to be scared. ES for me, forever.

This is the same story with the off road motorcycles - the public now demands ES on a 200 KTM 2 smoker.

550iq
 
Accessories. Electrical source (with engine off). Electrical charging system. I have the auxiliary running light, GPS and a 12v power port all hard wired into the battery. And I can start the engine with the sled upside down. Deny the attributes now, but once electric start enters your life you will come around. No reason to be scared. ES for me, forever.

550iq

X2- Excellent point on the accessories and added benefit of the ES to start your sled when it is rolled upside down or rolled into a hard to get spot.
 
The only 2 drawbacks I see are 1) quick drive belt change sucks with a battery in the way. Needs to be removed for access. 2) slp engine torque arm won't be able to be used which I believe is mandatory with. Turbo sled.
 
get the electric start, you won't notice the weight, at all. just the ease of starting. the e start saves the elbows, and if the weight is that big of a deal, get the light weight battery. saves 8 lbs over the normal ones.

yesterday this guy go, dang that pro has electric start and you have bigger balls than me. Don't think you are a panzy or anything like that just because you turn the key instead of pull a rope.
 
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